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 M1 Carbine with Folding Stock Legal?
Spitfire75  [Team Member]
12/20/2004 8:10:30 PM EST
Hey everyone...is the M1 Carbine with a folding stock legal in CA? Assuming you have legal 10 round magazines of course. It's not classified as an "assault rifle" is it? I've seen fixed stock M1 carbines here and there, but never the folding stock models. Thanks!

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tatsuosan1964  [Member]
12/20/2004 8:20:24 PM EST
This is not legal in Kalifornia. Although the M1 carbine is not an "Assaul Weapon" by name or series, the folding stock would classify it as an "Assault Weapon" by features. CA only requires one of the prohibited feature where as the previous Federal ban included 2 or more features.
Garand1911  [Member]
12/20/2004 8:58:53 PM EST
the only way a folder is legal is if you registered the gun as a AW, the standard stock is kali legal.

i met a guy at the gun show who was walking around with a m1 carbine and a folder on it, we told him he better put the gun in the car and buy a standard stock for it. he said he even went to the PD to register it as an AW and the cops told him it was legal as is ... they were WRONG. and with all the DOJ assholes running around the show trying to nail everyone and anyone they could of nailed this guy real easy.
leelaw  [Team Member]
12/20/2004 10:26:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Garand1911:
the only way a folder is legal is if you registered the gun as a AW, the standard stock is kali legal.

i met a guy at the gun show who was walking around with a m1 carbine and a folder on it, we told him he better put the gun in the car and buy a standard stock for it. he said he even went to the PD to register it as an AW and the cops told him it was legal as is ... they were WRONG. and with all the DOJ assholes running around the show trying to nail everyone and anyone they could of nailed this guy real easy.



Yea. Them.

Freaked one out with my FAB-10.

Went whining to the doormen. "There is a KID with an ASSAULT WEAPON here!"

Response: "So?"
Chaingun  [Team Member]
12/21/2004 5:33:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By Garand1911:
the only way a folder is legal is if you registered the gun as a AW, the standard stock is kali legal.

i met a guy at the gun show who was walking around with a m1 carbine and a folder on it, we told him he better put the gun in the car and buy a standard stock for it. he said he even went to the PD to register it as an AW and the cops told him it was legal as is ... they were WRONG. and with all the DOJ assholes running around the show trying to nail everyone and anyone they could of nailed this guy real easy.



Yea. Them.

Freaked one out with my FAB-10.

Went whining to the doormen. "There is a KID with an ASSAULT WEAPON here!"

Response: "So?"



Gestapo!
Spitfire75  [Team Member]
12/21/2004 9:19:30 AM EST
Eh, that's stupid. I guess I'll have to move to another state to get an M1 Carbine in the configuration I like. I like California less and less every day.
Beefypeanut  [Member]
12/21/2004 12:59:36 PM EST
First off, I have a fixed stock M1 carbine and it is my favorite plinker. Second, I *heard* that the folding stock M1 Carbines are way innacurate (even more than the fixed stock variant) and that the airborne troops in WW2 would sometimes try to trade in their folders for a fixed stock. I agree that folding stocks are cooler though, either way you aren't getting too much accuracy so just go with whatever floats your boat.
Garand1911  [Member]
12/21/2004 11:05:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By Garand1911:
the only way a folder is legal is if you registered the gun as a AW, the standard stock is kali legal.

i met a guy at the gun show who was walking around with a m1 carbine and a folder on it, we told him he better put the gun in the car and buy a standard stock for it. he said he even went to the PD to register it as an AW and the cops told him it was legal as is ... they were WRONG. and with all the DOJ assholes running around the show trying to nail everyone and anyone they could of nailed this guy real easy.



Yea. Them.

Freaked one out with my FAB-10.

Went whining to the doormen. "There is a KID with an ASSAULT WEAPON here!"

Response: "So?"




that is such BS, because you should be able to take your legally registered AR/AK/UZI to the gun show and walk around with it, and not have to be worried about being HARRASSED, because the damn thing is LEGAL.

you never know the DOJ might add M1carbines/M1as/Garands to the ban list, and then you could register it and add a folding stock.

besides the only cool m1 carbine is the m1a1 paratrooper, with the real or reproduction paratrooper folder. putting an aftermarket folder on doesnt look right and is GHEY

with the prices on m1 carbines (in any configuration) nowadays, if you can find one cheap then JUMP ON IT.
Slv2fun  [Member]
12/22/2004 3:11:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Garand1911:

i met a guy at the gun show who was walking around with a m1 carbine and a folder .....he said he even went to the PD to register it as an AW and the cops told him it was legal as is ... they were WRONG.



when he went to the PD and the cops told him the Carbine was "legal", did he get it in WRITING?

I don't care what any cop "tells you". Just cause s/he's in uniform don't give him/her an ounce more credibility in my book. I'd advise...

ALWAYS GET IT IN WRITING and "CYA"

migradog  [Team Member]
12/24/2004 3:02:58 PM EST
Is the M1 a Curio and Relic? In that case it may be legal, just as the Curio and Relic Russian SKS can have the folding bayonet abd the non-C&R Yugo cannot.
Mesa_Tactical  [Member]
12/25/2004 9:42:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By migradog:
Is the M1 a Curio and Relic? In that case it may be legal, just as the Curio and Relic Russian SKS can have the folding bayonet abd the non-C&R Yugo cannot.



It is not legal. California assault weapons are well defined, and the M1A1 Carbine is prohibited by configuration: it is a semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine and two evil features (and only one evil feature is all it takes to ban it). There are no exemptions in California's assault weapon law for Curios & Relics.

It perfectly legal to possess a Chinese SKS with the bayonet on it, provided that it had the bayonet installed before November 1990. This is Federal law, not California law. Under California law, Chinese unregistered SKS carbines with detachable magazines are specifically banned.

The legality of other SKS carbines with bayonets is murky. The Federal 922(r) section suggests that SKS carbines not on the C&R list cannot be fitted with bayonets. However, the language that supports this interpretation refers to the importation of particular configurations, and the subsequent prohibition on building a rifle to a configuration whose importation is banned.

However, since the BATF permits the importation of Yugo SKS carbines with the bayonet, it must be assumed this is a permitted configuration. The problem is that the actual features banned by 922(r) are not really documented in legislation, and are subject to BATF interpretation and ruling. But if the BATF allows importation (and all imports of firearms require BATF certification), it should be safe to assume the imported configuration is deemed legal by the BATF.

So Russian, Yugo and other SKS carbines can indeed be transferred and possessed in their original military configuration, which generally includes the bayonet. There is nothing in the law, besides the specific wording for the Chinese SKS, prohibiting bayonets.

Many of us posting here, myself included, own Yugo M59/66 SKS carbines with folding bayonets.
Spitfire75  [Team Member]
12/26/2004 12:16:49 PM EST
Hmmm, maybe I should pick one up one of these days. $200 isn't really too much for a pointy-ended rifle that will make people think I'm a gun-crazy asshole with a penchant for homicide...
Mesa_Tactical  [Member]
12/27/2004 7:12:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Spitfire75:
Hmmm, maybe I should pick one up one of these days. $200 isn't really too much for a pointy-ended rifle that will make people think I'm a gun-crazy asshole with a penchant for homicide...



They are suberb combat rifles. They are on sale right now for $199 at Turners Outdoorsman.
Spitfire75  [Team Member]
12/27/2004 7:24:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mesa_Tactical:
They are suberb combat rifles. They are on sale right now for $199 at Turners Outdoorsman.


Sorry to hijack my own thread (if that's possible), but can someone educate me on the differences between the different models of SKS rifles? I know the Model 59 is a popular one, but I really don't know the first thing about them. And Mesa_Tactical, aren't you the company that I've seen at the Crossroads show in Costa Mesa that makes adapters for collapsable stocks for shotguns? Those things are pretty cool.
Mesa_Tactical  [Member]
12/27/2004 7:52:19 AM EST
Spitfire, perhaps you should start a new thread. For some reason, this site does not have an SKS section, though it does have an AK-47 section.

The SKS is looked down upon by folks, but not, as far as I can tell, from any issues of quality or performance. Perhaps because it is cheap. But it is cheap because it is plentiful. It is well-designed, well-made, simple, robust, can easily hit any man-sized target out to 300 yards (and probably beyond, but that's as far as I can see) and uses the cheapest rifle ammunition there is. This is the rifle that won the Vietnam War.

I will concede, however, that the SKS is ugly. But to remedy that, get a Chinese one, grind off the bayonet lug and give it a nice synthetic Monte Carlo stock.

As much as I love them, I don't really know much about all the different variations. I suspect that aside from the Chinese versions, some of which were not actually produced for any military, but instead for the US sporting market, most SKS variations are very similar.

The best place to learn about the SKS is probably Survivors SKS boards.

And yes, we're the guys at the gun shows with the AR stock adapters for shotguns.
Spitfire75  [Team Member]
12/27/2004 8:00:43 AM EST
Thanks Mesa!
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