AR15.Com Archives
 Questions about Spikes Tactical and their Lower Receivers
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/6/2010 8:34:51 AM EST
I'm 20 years old and want to make the 1.5 hours drive to Apopka to Spikes to pick myself up a lower for my first AR-15 build (Rifle, not "pistol"). I understand that I will be able to buy it myself since it will be for a rifle and not pistol or SBR, but will I have to wait days for them to do a background check or can I just drop by their shop and pick it up?? This is more of a generalized question because I'm new to guns and have been to very few gun stores/shows and am quite ignorant as far as gun policies go, but I don't want to show up there and be told that I can't pick it up that day and have to waste time and gas.

Thank You,
Paid Advertisement
--
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/6/2010 8:37:41 AM EST
EDIT: Nevermind, I found out that I will be able to pick it up sameday.

floridahunter07  [Team Member]
1/6/2010 9:11:12 AM EST
Justin, right?

You can't buy stripped lower receivers at 20. You'll have to buy a complete lower with a stock and LPK because a stripped receiver is considered "other" by the ATF.

If you already knew that, my bad.
Hendricks5150  [Team Member]
1/6/2010 10:30:38 AM EST
Since you are 20, you have to get a completed lower as floridahunter said. Since that is the case, go with the custom built lower.

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=104_114&products_id=270

The county Spike's is in does not have a waiting period.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/6/2010 6:59:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By floridahunter07:
Justin, right?

You can't buy stripped lower receivers at 20. You'll have to buy a complete lower with a stock and LPK because a stripped receiver is considered "other" by the ATF.

If you already knew that, my bad.


Yes, (How do you know my name? lol)
EDIT: Nvm, Bobby

I heard from Shoot Straight in Lakeland that it has to be a complete and called Spikes and just for the heck of it asked anyway and I was like I wanna buy a stripped receiver can I get it since I'm 20 and he asked me if it was for a pistol and I said no for a long barrel rifle and he said yes I could come in and pick it up as long as I passed my background check.
Liberation  [Team Member]
1/6/2010 7:11:33 PM EST
When did they change this? Spikes sold me a lower reciever stripped when I was 19? He just ran it as long rifle.
iiibdsiil  [Member]
1/6/2010 7:41:58 PM EST
Tell Spike's to check their mail, this should be in there.
1BMF  [Member]
1/6/2010 8:33:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By Liberation:
When did they change this? Spikes sold me a lower reciever stripped when I was 19? He just ran it as long rifle.


A year or two ago. 4473 has "Rifle" "Pistol" "Other" now, and since "other" can be built into either per ATF rulings, they must go to 21+

I bought some lowers from spikes at the shows in Orlando at 18/19/20 and it was transferred as a rifle a few years ago. It's stupid.
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 5:22:04 AM EST
I built my first AR at 18 using a stripped receiver too, they just recently changed it. I think the deal was that FFL's were running them as rifle/pistol depending on what you were building with them. They've been classified as "other" all along because they are neither a rifle or a pistol, just a stripped receiver and a receiver is "other."

It sucks, and is completely stupid, but that's how life goes I guess.
osprey21  [Life Member]
1/7/2010 5:31:10 AM EST
Stupid? Yes.

Gonna go away? No.

Bottom line? Deal with it.
Hendricks5150  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 5:44:49 AM EST
I wonder if FL passes the nullification legislation if they will start looking at federal firearms laws. Particularly the 21 or older for stripped lowers and handguns. The NFA stuff would be nice as well.

I would love to be able to pick up a XDm in 9mm a year or so early
osprey21  [Life Member]
1/7/2010 5:53:21 AM EST
Don't start holding your breath or you'll never make it to 20.

Hendricks5150  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 5:58:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:
Don't start holding your breath or you'll never make it to 20.


Haha! True!

I'll just get in line and hope for the best
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/7/2010 8:36:31 AM EST
I'll probably just bring my mother along with me to Spikes to get this lower in case something comes up.
The_Mocker  [Member]
1/7/2010 8:58:23 AM EST
ripro  [Member]
1/7/2010 2:57:06 PM EST
haha, that would be a felony. see "straw purchase"
Hendricks5150  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 3:53:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By ripro:
haha, that would be a felony. see "straw purchase"

Ooo, this is true.

OP - Might want to ether wait till you turn 21 or just buy a completed lower.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/7/2010 4:19:27 PM EST
I'd get a complete lower, but I can get it for cheaper if I buy it in pieces and put it together myself. But it looks like I may be waiting awhile
Kahler8029  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 5:08:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
I'll probably just bring my mother along with me to Spikes to get this lower in case something comes up.


Hide your dog.
cadetcameron  [Member]
1/7/2010 7:27:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:
I wonder if FL passes the nullification legislation if they will start looking at federal firearms laws. Particularly the 21 or older for stripped lowers and handguns. The NFA stuff would be nice as well.

I would love to be able to pick up a XDm in 9mm a year or so early


Get your dad or uncle or someone to buy it and then give it to you ;). My parents got me an xdm9 for my 18th birthday
Hendricks5150  [Team Member]
1/7/2010 7:38:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By cadetcameron:
Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:
I wonder if FL passes the nullification legislation if they will start looking at federal firearms laws. Particularly the 21 or older for stripped lowers and handguns. The NFA stuff would be nice as well.

I would love to be able to pick up a XDm in 9mm a year or so early


Get your dad or uncle or someone to buy it and then give it to you ;). My parents got me an xdm9 for my 18th birthday

That would be a straw purchase.
captaincha0s  [Member]
1/8/2010 2:54:17 AM EST
so much fail in this thread...
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/8/2010 11:09:50 AM EST
I'm alright with "fail" as long as I learn from my mistakes
SGB  [Moderator]
1/8/2010 12:04:21 PM EST
Q: May a parent or guardian purchase firearms or ammunition as a gift for a juvenile (less than 18 years of age)?

Yes. However, possession of handguns by juveniles (less than 18 years of age) is generally unlawful. Juveniles generally may only receive and possess handguns with the written permission of a parent or guardian for limited purposes, e.g., employment, ranching, farming, target practice or hunting.

[18 U.S.C. 922(x)]


ripro  [Member]
1/8/2010 12:05:34 PM EST
... in prison. With bubba "bear" wilkins as your bunkmate. Yeah I guess you'll have lots of time to learn things

Edit: ok acc to the above maybe not, but still humorous
Banditman  [Team Member]
1/8/2010 12:07:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
I'm alright with "fail" as long as I learn from my mistakes

That is good and don't feel bad because the answers to your questions may have
helped you from making a mistake this time.
tac45  [Member]
1/8/2010 1:13:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By ripro:
haha, that would be a felony. see "straw purchase"


WHAT!!! Unless it's been changed, a straw purchase is a purchase of a firearm for another person who is not allowed to possess a firearm by law. As long as you aren't a felon or have an DV injunction against you a "gift" from a relative is NOT a straw purchase.
Banditman  [Team Member]
1/8/2010 1:29:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By tac45:
Originally Posted By ripro:
haha, that would be a felony. see "straw purchase"


WHAT!!! Unless it's been changed, a straw purchase is a purchase of a firearm for another person who is not allowed to possess a firearm by law. As long as you aren't a felon or have an DV injunction against you a "gift" from a relative is NOT a straw purchase.

But it is sticky when you say you are going to buy one then find out you can't and Mother shows up
to buy for him.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/8/2010 2:30:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By tac45:
Originally Posted By ripro:
haha, that would be a felony. see "straw purchase"


WHAT!!! Unless it's been changed, a straw purchase is a purchase of a firearm for another person who is not allowed to possess a firearm by law. As long as you aren't a felon or have an DV injunction against you a "gift" from a relative is NOT a straw purchase.

But it is sticky when you say you are going to buy one then find out you can't and Mother shows up
to buy for him.


But the funny thing is that I called and told him I was 20 and building a rifle and he said I could come and buy it myself.
ReefRaider  [Team Member]
1/8/2010 2:43:00 PM EST
I don't think you'll make it passed the BG CK. Just have MOM get it and be done with it.
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 9:30:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Stupid? Yes.

Gonna go away? No.

Bottom line? Deal with it.


I know it's not going to go away... Thankfully there are ways around it, like private transfers.

Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:

Originally Posted By cadetcameron:
Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:
I wonder if FL passes the nullification legislation if they will start looking at federal firearms laws. Particularly the 21 or older for stripped lowers and handguns. The NFA stuff would be nice as well.

I would love to be able to pick up a XDm in 9mm a year or so early


Get your dad or uncle or someone to buy it and then give it to you ;). My parents got me an xdm9 for my 18th birthday

That would be a straw purchase.


No it's not. Gifting firearms to people is completely legal. Sending your baby momma in to buy you a new nine mil when you're a convicted felon is NOT legal and is a straw purchase. My dad did the same thing when I was 18, but I got a regular XD9.

Banditman  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 9:35:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By tac45:
Originally Posted By ripro:
haha, that would be a felony. see "straw purchase"


WHAT!!! Unless it's been changed, a straw purchase is a purchase of a firearm for another person who is not allowed to possess a firearm by law. As long as you aren't a felon or have an DV injunction against you a "gift" from a relative is NOT a straw purchase.

But it is sticky when you say you are going to buy one then find out you can't and Mother shows up
to buy for him.


But the funny thing is that I called and told him I was 20 and building a rifle and he said I could come and buy it myself.

Just have them put the stock on it then. Build the rest yourself. That should get you over the pistol hurdle.


Banditman  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 9:36:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By floridahunter07:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Stupid? Yes.

Gonna go away? No.

Bottom line? Deal with it.


I know it's not going to go away... Thankfully there are ways around it, like private transfers.

Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:

Originally Posted By cadetcameron:
Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:
I wonder if FL passes the nullification legislation if they will start looking at federal firearms laws. Particularly the 21 or older for stripped lowers and handguns. The NFA stuff would be nice as well.

I would love to be able to pick up a XDm in 9mm a year or so early


Get your dad or uncle or someone to buy it and then give it to you ;). My parents got me an xdm9 for my 18th birthday

That would be a straw purchase.


No it's not. Gifting firearms to people is completely legal. Sending your baby momma in to buy you a new nine mil when you're a convicted felon is NOT legal and is a straw purchase. My dad did the same thing when I was 18, but I got a regular XD9.


It's not gifting if you give another the money to buy a gun for you.
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
1/9/2010 9:43:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By floridahunter07:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Stupid? Yes.

Gonna go away? No.

Bottom line? Deal with it.


I know it's not going to go away... Thankfully there are ways around it, like private transfers.

Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:

Originally Posted By cadetcameron:
Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:
I wonder if FL passes the nullification legislation if they will start looking at federal firearms laws. Particularly the 21 or older for stripped lowers and handguns. The NFA stuff would be nice as well.

I would love to be able to pick up a XDm in 9mm a year or so early


Get your dad or uncle or someone to buy it and then give it to you ;). My parents got me an xdm9 for my 18th birthday

That would be a straw purchase.


No it's not. Gifting firearms to people is completely legal. Sending your baby momma in to buy you a new nine mil when you're a convicted felon is NOT legal and is a straw purchase. My dad did the same thing when I was 18, but I got a regular XD9.


It's not gifting if you give another the money to buy a gun for you.


So don't give them the money to buy it. Work it off or something.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/9/2010 12:31:07 PM EST
Bobby, Walter got his lower by going with his father to Anvil before they had those problems and walked out with his. With the exception of a few posts on this thread everyone who I've been talking to that is involved with guns says "gifting" a firearm (to a non-felon) is not illegal.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/13/2010 1:26:46 PM EST
Came home today to find this sitting on my stairs



All's well that ends well
mushroomhead130  [Team Member]
1/13/2010 4:05:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By floridahunter07:
You'll have to buy a complete lower with a stock and LPK because a stripped receiver is considered "other" by the ATF.

You have to buy the complete rifle, not just the complete lower half. I ran into the same problem as OP when going to pick up my lower from Anvil Arms a year ago.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/13/2010 4:45:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By mushroomhead130:

You have to buy the complete rifle, not just the complete lower half. I ran into the same problem as OP when going to pick up my lower from Anvil Arms a year ago.


I think a lot of these laws are subjective to store owners because I have never heard that before, even from my buddy who went to get his lower at Anvil
SHONUFF  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 2:58:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
Came home today to find this sitting on my stairs

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/Angel4boy/AR-15%20Build/435353453.jpg

All's well that ends well


what kind of LPK are you planning on using?
pegleggreg  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 3:55:41 PM EST
You can send, or take, all your parts to Spikes & they can assemble it so it will be a complete rifle & legal. They have offered to do this before, for the same reason.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/14/2010 5:35:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By SHONUFF:

what kind of LPK are you planning on using?


RRA, Stag, other(?)

I've heard to stay away from DPMS LPKs. Not many people complain about RRA or Stag unless its regarding their prices, but I believe i have found some decent online deals.

Hendricks5150  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 6:19:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
Originally Posted By SHONUFF:

what kind of LPK are you planning on using?


RRA, Stag, other(?)

I've heard to stay away from DPMS LPKs. Not many people complain about RRA or Stag unless its regarding their prices, but I believe i have found some decent online deals.


You would be surprised how many companies use DPMS LPKs.
EKKsoldier622  [Member]
1/14/2010 6:44:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hendricks5150:

You would be surprised how many companies use DPMS LPKs.


Probably, but I'll stick to the super critical (and sometimes biased) nature of the users of "ARFCOM" and use some of the things they use. When it comes to the LPK I dont want to put it all in to be disappointed with its performace. Plus, I found deals online that would allow me to buy a RRA LPK cheaper than a DPMS from my local Lakeland Shoot Straight store
SHONUFF  [Team Member]
1/14/2010 7:02:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By EKKsoldier622:
Originally Posted By SHONUFF:

what kind of LPK are you planning on using?


RRA, Stag, other(?)

I've heard to stay away from DPMS LPKs. Not many people complain about RRA or Stag unless its regarding their prices, but I believe i have found some decent online deals.



I just put a Bushmaster LPK in my Spike's THUG series lower, with a UBR on the back end. Everything fit nice and snug, and the trigger (single stage) is not too shabby... with a little Moly lube.
Paid Advertisement
--