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Need advice on what to do.....
2/26/2012 9:29:23 AM
Back in January I answered an add in the WTT section for an AK47 trade for a scope add. I responded to the seller and we agreed on a trade. It took me a week to get the scoped shipped via Fed-ex because we were busy here. Shipped 3 day air service to minimize handling.
I offered to send the scope and after inspection if the trader was happy I would send my FFL information so he could send the long gun in question.
He liked the scope and agreed to the trade, his FFL contacted mine and paperwork was sent.
The rifle was sent via USPS priority service with a tracking number.
After waiting a week and making a trip to the FFL here I was told the rifle had not arrived yet, I contacted the other party asking if the rifle had been shipped yet, 2 days later I received a USPS tracking number showing the rifle had been delivered but had no confirmation as to where, only that is was signed for. So back to my FFL and again they claimed the rifle had not been received. I went back to the house and got all the information I had and submitted it to my FFL. In which I was told they would look into it and get back to me, never received any further info. Over the course of the last 4 weeks I have been told the same thing. My FFL has not received the rifle and know nothing. I'm actually very disappointed in their lack of help.
I contacted the postmaster here and received a phone call 2 days later concerning the tracking information, to which she could only tell me the package was delivered in the zip code but could not confirm what address it was delivered and signed for. Needless to say I was very upset.
So here we are coming up on a month and still no answer to where the rifle is.
The trader and I have been in contact the entire time, both over the phone and email. Our last contact was he was talking to a lawyer and the ATF. I responded offering to report the rifle stolen to the Metro police and the ATF if he would send me all the information on the rifle, such as serial number, exact model etc. I also offered to send him all the contact info here so he or his FFL could report it themselves.
He is active military so I understand that response will be delayed at times. I have been very patient and understanding.
So as of now I'm out a $1000 Leupold scope, $50 bucks for shipping, $50 rings and $100 for wood furniture I bought to replace the plastic furniture on the rifle when it arrived, from a member here. Which I understand doesn't count as I should have waited until the rifle was in my possession.
He is out the AK47 plus a $60 dollar postal money order and shipping on his end.
My opinion is that the rifle should have never been sent via the postal service with such vague tracking info, it should have come either UPS or Fed-ex which provides much more detailed tracking info.
As of now I feel the scope should be sent back to me, I will reimburse the trader the cost of doing so until the rifle is found, if not then it is his responsibility to file whatever paperwork to to track the rifle down or make a claim. At which point if he does get the rifle back I would be more than willing to proceed again even paying the cost for the rifle to be shipped Fed-ex or Ups.
What do you think is reasonable at this point, I've never had this happen and could use some advice.
Thanks for reading and helping out.
D.
I offered to send the scope and after inspection if the trader was happy I would send my FFL information so he could send the long gun in question.
He liked the scope and agreed to the trade, his FFL contacted mine and paperwork was sent.
The rifle was sent via USPS priority service with a tracking number.
After waiting a week and making a trip to the FFL here I was told the rifle had not arrived yet, I contacted the other party asking if the rifle had been shipped yet, 2 days later I received a USPS tracking number showing the rifle had been delivered but had no confirmation as to where, only that is was signed for. So back to my FFL and again they claimed the rifle had not been received. I went back to the house and got all the information I had and submitted it to my FFL. In which I was told they would look into it and get back to me, never received any further info. Over the course of the last 4 weeks I have been told the same thing. My FFL has not received the rifle and know nothing. I'm actually very disappointed in their lack of help.
I contacted the postmaster here and received a phone call 2 days later concerning the tracking information, to which she could only tell me the package was delivered in the zip code but could not confirm what address it was delivered and signed for. Needless to say I was very upset.
So here we are coming up on a month and still no answer to where the rifle is.
The trader and I have been in contact the entire time, both over the phone and email. Our last contact was he was talking to a lawyer and the ATF. I responded offering to report the rifle stolen to the Metro police and the ATF if he would send me all the information on the rifle, such as serial number, exact model etc. I also offered to send him all the contact info here so he or his FFL could report it themselves.
He is active military so I understand that response will be delayed at times. I have been very patient and understanding.
So as of now I'm out a $1000 Leupold scope, $50 bucks for shipping, $50 rings and $100 for wood furniture I bought to replace the plastic furniture on the rifle when it arrived, from a member here. Which I understand doesn't count as I should have waited until the rifle was in my possession.
He is out the AK47 plus a $60 dollar postal money order and shipping on his end.
My opinion is that the rifle should have never been sent via the postal service with such vague tracking info, it should have come either UPS or Fed-ex which provides much more detailed tracking info.
As of now I feel the scope should be sent back to me, I will reimburse the trader the cost of doing so until the rifle is found, if not then it is his responsibility to file whatever paperwork to to track the rifle down or make a claim. At which point if he does get the rifle back I would be more than willing to proceed again even paying the cost for the rifle to be shipped Fed-ex or Ups.
What do you think is reasonable at this point, I've never had this happen and could use some advice.
Thanks for reading and helping out.
D.
2/26/2012 9:54:50 AM
Based on your post I would tend to agree that he should return the scope but I would like to hear his side of this as well. In "most " cases EE policy is that the shipper of an item is responsible for that item arriving safely at its intended destination. What is the other parties attitude regarding the return of the scope ?
2/26/2012 10:08:53 AM
Sounds like you both need to find yourselves better FFL's to deal with.
That said I have to agree with crowboy, it is EE policy that it's the responsibility of the shipping party to get the item traded/purchased to the other party in the condition it was advertised as but we always like to hear both sides.
That said I have to agree with crowboy, it is EE policy that it's the responsibility of the shipping party to get the item traded/purchased to the other party in the condition it was advertised as but we always like to hear both sides.
2/26/2012 10:16:18 AM
To this point we have not really discussed it, he said he would make it right. When I mentioned sending the scope back I really didn't get a response.
Being as he's active .mil I am giving him the utmost respect but I think it's time to resolve the issue.
I emailed him the end of last week letting him know I may post this, so I'm sending him another email to go ahead and post his side of the story.
Thanks for responding so quickly, I'm sure he'll chime in as he's been a standup guy so far.
D.
Being as he's active .mil I am giving him the utmost respect but I think it's time to resolve the issue.
I emailed him the end of last week letting him know I may post this, so I'm sending him another email to go ahead and post his side of the story.
Thanks for responding so quickly, I'm sure he'll chime in as he's been a standup guy so far.
D.
2/26/2012 10:57:41 AM
Hopefully it was shipped insured although I do not know how the PO will respond being they say it was delivered. Seeing how it had to be signed for they should be able to give you a scan of the sig and persons name. They should also be equally concerned that they possibly deivered a firearm to a wrong address.
2/26/2012 10:59:31 AM
Sucky situation. EE rules are EE rules and sender is responsible for getting the package to the buyer. Also, the scope should either be returned... or you should be compensated for the value of the trade agreed on if he wants to keep it and you are OK with that. It really sucks in that he is active military, as I have the up most respect for those guys as well. I'd hate like hell to be in your shoes right now.
I also have a transaction that is still open that has gone this same route in USPS, but only with a $15 pistol mag. We're still trying to track that one down in Hawaii.
I also have a transaction that is still open that has gone this same route in USPS, but only with a $15 pistol mag. We're still trying to track that one down in Hawaii.
2/26/2012 11:06:43 AM
Another thing is the postal MO he sent, he should start trying to track that thing down to see if it was cashed or not, and if it has by whom.
