Custom Ak47 Phoenix flash hider group buy.- SOLD OUT

From the horses mouth:

The (17) PL4 AK flash hiders are parked and ready to ship. I have them up here at the house so I can pack them in flat rate envelopes when I get the adresses. They turned out very good, I changed out the blast media in my sand blaster today and setup up a fresh batch of park solution too, so they got brand new supplies on this order and it shows, they are a dark black park that almost looks like paint. They look great.

Thanks for the order,
David Saylors

Production is complete and these are ready to ship!.
All funds must be in by Feb 25th and units to ship once all funds are recieved!
The price will be $24 each shipped.
PLEASE IM ME FOR PAYMENT ADRESS.
Payment accepted via postal MO only.

Here is a pic of what the actual product will look like.


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These will be made in 14.1lh thread.

regardless of the design in the supressor, In quantity, should cost no more that 10-20$ to make and sell them...any premium on that is just marketing and design.

There is a member on this board which I am good friends with who works at a cnc shop and can do his own jobs...If you can get blueprints he'll crank it out.

Originally Posted By robpiat: regardless of the design in the supressor, In quantity, should cost no more that 10-20$ to make and sell them...any premium on that is just marketing and design. There is a member on this board which I am good friends with who works at a cnc shop and can do his own jobs...If you can get blueprints he'll crank it out.

Sweet. Anyone have any ideas of design? Maybe something Krink like?

Originally Posted By h8mtv: Originally Posted By robpiat: regardless of the design in the supressor, In quantity, should cost no more that 10-20$ to make and sell them...any premium on that is just marketing and design. There is a member on this board which I am good friends with who works at a cnc shop and can do his own jobs...If you can get blueprints he'll crank it out. Sweet. Anyone have any ideas of design? Maybe something Krink like?

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Definitely something "Krink" like you suggested above. Going with the Phoenix type design appears to violate central claims on the Vortex patent regarding the twisted helical tines. Wouldn't go there, frankly.

I am in for at least one as I seem to try to buy every different accessory I might ever need. Can you do something like the new YHM phantom with the bottom closed to prevent dust blow up in the prone position?

Seems like the vortex design has been copied several times...Who holds the patent? It doesn't seem to be smith?

I see that wilson arms is making it or reselling it along with others...Can anybody give me the low down?

Maybe a MG42 style FH? That is "krink-like".

Example

Example

Anything with multipe pieces is $$$ and a PITA.

I like that look. I agree multiple pieces is out.

Hi All,

I would just like to say that I am honored to at least get mentioned........

Second, I dont have any CNC gear in my shop and I have to make my flash hdiers one at a time on conventional machine tool equipment....

Third, I could work out something with straight flutes if everybody is scared to death of angles.....

If there is any interested parties here, just let me know.....

Thanks,
David

What do you guys think of this design? I already have a very similar one made up. If anyone has some ideas I would be more than willing to do a group buy. I am already having USA made slant breaks made for me and the shop making them could easily do pretty much any design you could think of. Just remember the more complicated it is the more $ it will cost. It wouldnt be difficult at all to offer some flash hiders for under $20 even under $15 probably wouldnt be to difficult depending on quanity and the design. Does anyone know if the phantom is patented?

I want something like the G1 flash hider for us AMD builders

I am down regardless of design! I am in the process of doing my own muzlle flash/recoil reduction experiment, so any new design(s) is cool!

Originally Posted By Targethunter: Hi All, I would just like to say that I am honored to at least get mentioned........ Second, I dont have any CNC gear in my shop and I have to make my flash hdiers one at a time on conventional machine tool equipment.... Third, I could work out something with straight flutes if everybody is scared to death of angles..... If there is any interested parties here, just let me know..... Thanks, David

I have been a fan of the Phoenix design for some time now. I'd be in for a 14x1lh threaded one with straight flutes.

How 'bout something in 24mm for us AK-74/AK-105 owners?

I'm in for one if it's no more than $20. I'd like to see a Phantom type design or something similar.

I'm still waiting on some more correct extended AMD snake brakes!

Originally Posted By robpiat: Seems like the vortex design has been copied several times...Who holds the patent? It doesn't seem to be smith? I see that wilson arms is making it or reselling it along with others...Can anybody give me the low down?

Smith does hold both the patent and the copyrights. Wilson Combat is selling genuine SEI G6A2 Vortex flash suppressors. Wilson's a stand-up firm and wouldn't settle for anything less. www.wilsoncombat.com

id like a flash enhancer
lets be realistic none shoots there guns in the dark (low light)
unless there out having fun and what sounds like more fun
a flash hider or a flash enhancer ?

i know they can be made see them in the movies all the time
16in m16 with a 4 foot fireball

If we get 10 of the Phoenix FH's they'd be $25 a piece. That would be rather Phantom like. I would suggest we do them closed bottom.

As I stated earlier, I am down with whatever. Is there any reason you are more interested in reducing flash signature versus recoil reduction? I am just curious. The Miculek style muzzle brake is intriguing as well. I will leave the decision making process to the majority and just jump on the purchase bandwagon.

Originally Posted By Chinook: As I stated earlier, I am down with whatever. Is there any reason you are more interested in reducing flash signature versus recoil reduction? I am just curious. The Miculek style muzzle brake is intriguing as well. I will leave the decision making process to the majority and just jump on the purchase bandwagon.

On the farm I occasionally need to use a firearm at night. I have had to put a few deer down that had been hit along the road. I also do some low light training occasionally with some LEO buddies.

Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-flashider. I was just curious. I completely understand the methods behind your madness. I enjoy low-lite training as well. I am in the process of finishing my 16th year in the military.

Anyone else? I'd like to have about 10 on board before I get this ball rolling.

Originally Posted By h8mtv: Anyone else? I'd like to have about 10 on board before I get this ball rolling.

So you're talking something more like the Phoenix, as opposed a something like the Vortex, correct?

Originally Posted By socandyman: id like a flash enhancer lets be realistic none shoots there guns in the dark (low light) unless there out having fun and what sounds like more fun a flash hider or a flash enhancer ? i know they can be made see them in the movies all the time 16in m16 with a 4 foot fireball

+1 on the flash enhancer!!

Originally Posted By mach6: Originally Posted By h8mtv: Anyone else? I'd like to have about 10 on board before I get this ball rolling. So you're talking something more like the Phoenix, as opposed a something like the Vortex, correct?

Correct. I think basically a Phoenix with straight flutes and a closed bottom.

So far we have:
h8mtv (me)
hondajohn
Chinook

Just 7 more at $25 each.

I do not think alternate threading for 74's is a problem.
"I can make the following: 1/2 -28 1/2 - 32 1/2 - 36 9/16-24 LH or RH 14x1mmLH 15x1mmRH and a few real oddballs. Oh yeah I have the 5/8 inch AR10 style as well."- David Saylors


I am open to all suggestions on design. I would like to stay away from extended length units, as those appeal to fewer people.

I figure either the top design or something like the bottom with straight flutes.


Images borrowed from Saylor Machine website.

I'd personally just be interested in a normal looking effective flash suppressor. The weirder it looks the less I'd be interested. The phoenix from your first post looks ok, and I assume it would be better than just a normal birdcage.

So maybe a straight phoenix with a closed bottom? How would that compare to a birdcage with a closed bottom?

I would be interested in a phoneix for $25. Whats the length on these?

Originally Posted By thedukeryan: I would be interested in a phoneix for $25. Whats the length on these?

2.240" according to the site.

Not tryinng to hurt a possible phoenix group buy but I talked to one of my suppliers who makes a lot of Ar flash suppressors. I already placed a order today to have some of these made up. If there is interest I could do a group buy for under $10. They would be very similar to the one shown and with 14x1 LH threads.



I could also have a batch of these made if there is enough interest. Could probably offer them with 14x1 LH threads for around $20. The one shown is 4 1/2" long making it perfect for a AMD build.

What I like about these from Saylors is that they do not look like they belong exclusively on an Ar. What you have proposed does.

Sorry guys, no more group, buys without Staff approval. Please contact Kevin regarding any group buy requests. http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=121&t=303446

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Here's some addtl info for everyone. If we can get 15 of these ordered they will cost $24 shipped each. They are available in any of the above threads. To seperate these from the standard Phoenix I'd like to do them with straight flutes, or do the Krink style. Any input is appreciated.

The more I look at it, the more the Krink grows on me. However, I am in no matter what!!

Originally Posted By Chinook: The more I look at it, the more the Krink grows on me. However, I am in no matter what!!

Tell your friends, we need more buyers.

"regardless of the design in the supressor, In quantity, should cost no more that 10-20$ to make and sell them...any premium on that is just marketing and design.

There is a member on this board which I am good friends with who works at a cnc shop and can do his own jobs...If you can get blueprints he'll crank it out."

My experience and understanding on the above statements are quite different. The design has a great deal to do with cost. A simple tube with internal threads is a 1-2-3 job. A model with thirty seven holes, offset every 12 degrees, with angular slots that are timed to the barrel threads may take a bit longer. If someone came to my shop and wanted me to bid on ten Phoenix Flash Hiders, I certainly could not sell them for 10-20 dollars. I would have material costs, tooling costs, set-up costs, programming costs, finishing costs and shipping costs. Typical cost to run parts on a CNC machine are anywhere from 50.00 to 75.00 dollars per hour. And if you are lucky enough to have a CNC mill/turn, you ain't going to charge those prices. For ten pieces:

Let's say material is 25.00 (money)
Tooling......It could be 25-250 dollars, or more, depending on the tooling needed (money)
Set-up may take 30 min to 90 min, probably longer (time)
Writing a program could take 60 min to hours (time)
Deburring could just take a few minutes or a few hours depending where the burrs are and how they are removed (time)
Finish will take another few hour to blast and park (time)
Packaging and shipping may take an hour or so and gets expensive. (time)

For what you get from Dave, the man who makes the Phoenix Flash Hider, it is a very fair, maybe excellent, deal. No flame intended my friend robpiat, just another point of view. And if you have a chance to speak to your CNC friend, ask him how long it would take him to run ten of the Phoenix. Nothing else, just make the parts.



You want me to do this for how much?

I think that $24 shipped is an amazing price. I hope we can get this thing going! The design is officially going to be the original Phoenix design threaded for Ak47's and Ak74's

Cool. I am still in.

I have spoken with David who is going to make these for us if we can sell 10-15 of 'em. Both 24mm and 14x1lh will be available. Please post if you are interested.

Put me in for 3 with the 14.1 mm LH thread

I am going to buy 3 myself. Chinook is in for one. That's 7,anyone else?

You can put me down for one........14x1 LH.

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman: I want something like the G1 flash hider for us AMD builders www.tapco.com/item_pics/md/FAL2465_md.jpg

YES!!!!!!!!!!

List added on 1st post. If you'd like to buy one of these please respond.

I'm interested but want to clarify exactly what it is we're talking about, is this for '74 or '47? other calibers (223, 308) availble? Can you post a pic of the one in question and only the one in question? And final price too?

and I think longer is better here for the AMD guys. I wouldn't mind a long brake, heck teh standard 74 brake is half a mile long!

Originally Posted By hondajohn: Put me in for 3 with the 14.1 mm LH thread

Change this I need 5 of them with the 14.1 mm LH thread

Originally Posted By chapperjoe: I'm interested but want to clarify exactly what it is we're talking about, is this for '74 or '47? other calibers (223, 308) availble? Can you post a pic of the one in question and only the one in question? And final price too?

This is available for both Ak47 in 14.1lh and Ak74 in 24mm. Other threads are available also, read my top posts. I am going to try to get a pic of just the Phoenix for you. Price will be $24 each shipped.

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