Question regarding negative feedback left

I received a -1 from member Jace regarding 3x Scar 17 mags. Funds were sent on Saturday April 28, 2012. I am trying to locate the receipt. We agreed to the deal via phone communication. He sent one IM after we spoke on the phone to make sure I wanted the mags, and I responded that I did. The rest of the communication was handled by text. By May 2nd, he had not received the payment and let me know. He sent another text/s on May 3rd, 4th, and 5th letting me know he did not receive the payment. I overlooked those text, but on the 8th I saw and responded to them. I wish he would have sent an IM as I would have seen those much sooner and responed to them much sooner. I told him that I would send another out and to please let me know when the second one shows up and if the first one did. He responded later saying that don't worry about sending another that he already sold them to someone else, and that he may have a couple more he could sell. Is there a way to reverse the -1? Pictures were edited to hide personal information. Link to ad: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_47/988584_SPF___3__FN_Scar_17s_dark_earth_20rd_magazines__BNIB.html

Looks like the seller has done messed up. Leaving you a -1 (in the middle of a deal) and then selling the mags to someone else is not right. I hope you has more mags he can sell you to complete the deal.

Edit: Why would texts be a worse way to get ahold of you then IM's?

My cellphone reception is terrible. I don't get texts, and half the time voicemails until I pick up a few bars so it is kind of a pain when I am relying on a deal.

Negative feedback can only be retracted by the person leaving it unless it is retalitory feedback or is found to be left without cause.

But wouldn't the seller be in violation as he is not giving the buyer a chance to make it right? It appears the buyer is trying to stay in communication and willing to send out payment a second time, but the seller then sold the mags without giving the buyer a chance to complete the deal.

I agree Seller didn't give him much of a chance before he sold them. It is very possible the mail screwed up, and he sold them to someone else. Isn't selling them to someone else while you have a deal going a no-no? I would say he didn't give the buyer a chance, I always get insurance and a tracking number I consider part of a buying/selling "fee" on th EE.

On 05052012 at 709 pm he asked the buyer if he had a receipt and told him no MO had arrived.

According to the last edit of the for sale ad he sold the mags to the second in line on 05052012 at approximately 1001 pm.

Allowing less than 3 hours for the buyer to rectify the problem or offer a solution prior to selling to someone else.

At this point it looks like the Seller deserves a -1 for not following EE rules, and posting derogatory comments about buyer in his ad.

I agree buyer did nothing wrong here, less then 3 hrs is not enough time before selling to someone else. Buyer did not honor deal.
Seller should get -1

I thought negative feedback wasn't supposed to be left via the feedback button in the ad, and that it was to have it's own thread in this forum.

Is there such a thread? Link?

According to the OP:





Looks like there was a lapse of about 6 days in communication from what is quoted here.

The buyer waited 6 days with no communication. I'd say that's plenty of time. If the seller decided to come on and post a -1, the buyer would def be locked.

I responded to him on the 3rd. So that would be a 5 day break in communication. He had many other ways of getting ahold of me which he did not do. Also he sold the mags 2 days after our last communication, he did not wait 5.

If the seller had posted a -1 thread, the mods would have made contact with the buyer and asked them both to complete the transaction.

The seller should have started a thread before selling them to someone else. This thread is being handled different than every other similar situation.

Buyer made contact with the seller on the 3rd to inform him that he didn't get a tracking number but the seller is under the assumption that the MO is in the mail. He then asks on the 4th what address it was sent to and on the 5th if he had a receipt. Then approximately 4hrs after asking if there was a receipt for MO and not getting a reply the mags were sold. (just trying to go by edit times) Then posted a -1 with on the buyer without posting a -1 thread.

I doubt he would sell the mags to someone else the night he sent you the last message asking about the MO. If by "2 days after our last communication" you mean the last message he sent you, meaning he sold on the 7th, then he still waited 4 days for you to reply. Regardless of when he sold the mags, you didn't reply to him until 5 days after his last communication. You had very, very poor communication during this transaction and in no way does the seller deserve a -1 like another members are saying. I do agree, however, that he should have started a -1 thread rather than just post it. This will be a tough one for the mods I think. I remember other cases where the buyer was locked because the seller had moved on to someone else and sold the item. In the very least, I think you deserve a neutral RealEric


ETA: He did say he might have more mags to sell. So I think the -1 would be lifted if you bought those.

If you read the text you will see that I responded to him on the 3rd. He sold them two days later on the 5th. I don't deserve a negative or a neutral as I was going to send another payment for the mags. He said he could get more on the LEO discount deal when we first communicated.

As I stated before, the seller sold the mags less than 3 hours after the sellers last communication to the buyer. The seller asked him if he had a receipt from where he bought the money order and then promptly sold them to the next in line...with no opportunity for the buyer to resend payment.

I have sent Jace a message to respond here to get his side of the story.

He posted on the 26th that he wanted them and said money was sent on the 28th. I sent him a message everyday starting on May 2 letting him know the money order hasnt arrived yet. I tried sending numerous IMs through here but his box was always full. I asked him to show proof that mailed it on May 5. 3 days later he finally responded that He said that he didnt have a receipt or tracking information. Several days went by where be did not respond via text or IM. After no response from him i sold them to the next in line and and that person paid immediately. RealEric finally sent me a text back stating that he will send out another money order, which combined with the fact he cant show proof that ever mailed one out, makes me believe he never sent one to begin with.

Please state the facts. I never told you I didn't have a receipt. You sold the mags 2 days, not several after our last communication. The IM box is empty, I usually don't let it get past 20 messages. You could have very easily called me which you never did. You could have even emailed me.

Have you gotten any more from the LEO deal? Let me know.

I asked on the 5th if you had a receipf, you didnt respond until the 8th. Your box was full several times which is why i sent you text.

No i dont sorry, i didnt get these ftom an leo deal. I bought them with the intention of buying a scar but bought a ps90 instead. Omb guns has some in stock and you dont have to be an leo to buy them.

Yes but you SOLD them to someone else on the 5th.

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The Buyer had poor communication timing and lack of proof of purchase, tracking.
The Buyer then attempted to rectify the situation by sending another payment.


The Seller says "don't send another MO," effectively terminating the deal. Thus he is not entitled to post any feedback, other than a thread in the feedback section.
The Seller terminated the deal before it could be resolved fairly.

Looks like a draw to me. They should BOTH either get no feedback, or they should BOTH get negative feedback.

***edit***

for the mods:

It is my understanding that, unlike EGay, negative feedback for the EE must be discussed publicly and reviewed by the staff prior to being posted. If this is not so than I shall politely cease to do business here.

So, is there any way to remove the negative feedback? I may have had poor communication, but Jace welched on me.

JACE, what do you say? Call this one a draw and chalk it up to a communication issue and lesson learned?

That sounds good to me

Well played, Gentlemen!

Is there any update?

I removed the negative feedback as agreed upon by JACE.

I noticed upon doing so there is a neutral in your feedback regarding communication issues as well. Do not let this happen again. If you commit to a deal then it is YOUR obligation to maintain timely communication throughout the deal whether it be by email, IM, text, phone, etc.

Thank you. I do appreciate it. In regards to the neutral, that member was upset that I did not let him know when I sent the funds out which was the very next day(he was notified via IM the very next day after sending it). He was very skiddish, he even had one of the moderators go in and edit my post because he was unsure of the transaction.

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