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Rifle damaged in shipping, deal going south -- moderator needed UPDATE 4/23 Page 2
4/1/2012 8:46:52 PM
Faon18 and I entered into an arrangement to trade my HOWA 1500 rifle, scope, sling, bipod, and ammo for Faon18's Trijicon AccuPoint Scope. I sent the rifle to Faon18's FFL through FedEx Ground on 3/27, with tracking number and insurance, in a large box in a soft rifle case in styrofoam. I sent the ammo with the scope, sling, and bipod via UPS on 3/28. When I sent the rifle it was in pristine condition. According to Faon18 the rifle arrived at his FFL in two pieces and would no longer chamber a round. According to the FFL the outside of the box was undamaged. I want to resolve this issue to both of our satisfactions, and I already have filed a claim with FedEx for the damage.
It would be easiest all around if Faon18 could hang onto the gun until I hear back from FedEx; I'd be happy to pay him the cash value when they get it to me, instead of having to ship back and forth etc. However Faon18 is wanting to send the gun back to me, which is fine, but he also thinks I should pay for his shipping back and FFL fees. I have already spent around $50 to ship the gun&ammo, and I don't think it's fair that I should have to pay his shipping fees back, when I'm already going to be paying my FFL to recieve the gun.
What do you guys think we need to do with this? Who should be paying shipping back? Any other suggestions on how to resolve this?
Here is the original EE thread. We set up the deal via Private Messenger. Below are our email communications.
Black=Ocala313
Red=Faon18
Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:29 AM
To: Ocala313@myemail.com
Let me know if this will work
PIC OF FFL.
Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
That will work. What is your address, i may have to send the ammo in a separate box, if i do the ammo, scope, bypod and sling will go to your house.
Ocala313
Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Faon18
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:48 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
It will all go out tomorrow.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:13 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Oh ok cool, I will try and 2 day the scope to you when it comes
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
The gun went out today vie FedEx, you should have got an email from them. Fedex gave me a hard time with the ammo. I'm going to drop it off with UPS tomorrow after work.
Ocala313
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comMon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:38 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Yes I received the fedex email and ill let you know as soon as I get it
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comMon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:32 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Hey Ocala313 just to give you a heads up and keep you in the loop the scope should be to me this week if I get it Friday it will be your way Saturday
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:38 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Very good, thanks.
Ocala313
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:56 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Ammo went out today via UPS. Tracking# 1Z340X200376974032
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comTue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Yup, I got the notification , the tracking says the scope will be here Friday ill box it up and have it out Saturday
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comThu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:56 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Do I need a special tool to put this lower on? The pins look weird , gun looks great though
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:54 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I don't understand the question, the rifle was shipped in one piece. Only thing you have to put on the the scope, bypod and sling.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comFri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I received it in 2 peices :/
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:23 AM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Can you send me some pics, I may have to make a claim with FedEx.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comFri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:35 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I put it on but the whole assembly slides, I've got a buddy who has 3 or 4 of these so I'm going to have him look at it and see what he thinks
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:51 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
That doesn't sound good, let me know as soon as you find something out. If I have to file a claim I want to do it ASAP. I want to take care of this.
Ocala313
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comFri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:55 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
If you need confirmation you can call my ffl, they know I received it in 2 peices, we thought you shipped it that way
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:10 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I don't have to call, i believe you. Let me know what your friend says, maybe its a simple fix with a new part and i can order. Like i said, if i have to file a claim with Fedex i want to do it ASAP. I'm sorry about this.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comFri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:12 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I'll know this weekend , I work 7 days a week so I'm going to drop it by him this weekend and see what he says
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:36 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I was googling around and found a manual about the stock, maybe it's something you can use diagnose/fix. The stock is made by Blackhawk, their rifle stocks carry a lifetime warranty.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comFri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I did a lot of reading myself its actually a knoxx stock, blackhawk bought knoxx out, so I don't know if blackhawk will honor the wattenty since it was made prior to their buyout
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
i did not know that about knoxx and blackhawk buying them. Keep me updated.
Ocala313
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:53 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Ocala313 I think you got screwed on this rifle , I don't know why but I tried to chamber a round, stuck solid I can't even close the bolt and the round is jammed tight as can be my rod won't even push it out
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:55 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Did you ever chamber a round ?
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:57 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
You can give me a call when you've got free time Ocala313, XXX-XXX-XXXX
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:14 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I get off late tonight and work early next day. I get off around 5 on Sunday. I'll call you then. Yes I chamber ammo in it and it extracted. I have seen the original owner fire it. It worked when it left my house. Was the box damaged in any way? This is the first time I have had any problem with selling and shipping firearms, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. Can you please send me pics so I can make a claim with FedEx. I want this taken care of ASAP, so we both are happy.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:37 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
That's the thing you can't physicaly see anything wrong , nothing a picture will capture
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:51 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Just gave my ffl a call he said the box was in good condition when received
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:35 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I guess one question I have is do you have any other guns you'd like to trade if this one doesn't work out ? I'm going to try differnt ammo in the chamber tomorrow
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:27 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I'm not interested in trading another gun until we get this current
situation worked out. I don't want you or I to be dissatisfied
because of shipping damage. I'd like to call you to talk about
this––when is a good time to call? I also want to touch base with
your FFL, what's the phone number where I can reach him? I am filing
a claim with FedEx to get this issue resolved to both of our
satisfaction.
Ocala313
Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:53 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Fedex wants a copy of the serial number, can you send it to me ASAP.
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:07 AM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Never mind i found it.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
XXX-XXX-XXXX
That is (SNIP’S) number he's the part owner who received the rifle and that's his cell number
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:53 AM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
You can call me now if you want XXX-XXX-XXXX
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:54 AM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I get out of work around 5. Let me get home and shower and call the ffl and then ill call you.
Ocala313.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Where exactly do you want to go from here ?
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
The stock is messed up
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:30 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
Tbh I don't want this gun anymore it has to many issues and I'm to worried about it
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:49 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I'm at work right now and don't get off til later in the day. There
was nothing wrong with the gun when I sent it, but apparently it was
damaged during shipping if you received it in this condition. I want
to do this claim with FedEx because at this point I'm out $700 on a
gun, whether you keep it or not. I'm not interested in trading
anything else until this situation is resolved, but it's going to take
some time because I need to talk to you and your FFL and I'm waiting
to hear from FedEx. I filed the claim with them last night. I get
off work around 5, I can call you to talk about this later tonight.
I'll be in touch with you as soon as I can, but today is Sunday so I
doubt I will hear anything from FedEx until tomorrow. Please give me
some time to work things out.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
What am I suppose to do with this rifle? I'd like to get it back to you
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
OK, please understand I'm at work right now and can't really keep
emailing back and forth. We will figure something out when we talk
later tonight about it, alright? I'll call you.
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Alright, if you're not interested in keeping the gun there's not
really a point in me calling and hashing all this out by phone. I'll
get you my FFL's info tomorrow for you to ship the gun back to me, and
I'll go ahead with pursuing FedEx for the cost to repair/replace the
gun they damaged during shipping. When you get the ammo box which
should be tomorrow, don't open it, just take it to a UPS center (NOT
The UPS Store, they won't send it) and say return to sender––I don't
think they should charge you for that. If you don't want the gun, and
I don't have anything else I would trade for the scope then we don't
have a deal. I'm sorry for the hassle and things working out this
way.
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:38 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
Also make sure you send the gun insured, because otherwise if it gets
lost coming back then it's your responsibility.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:06 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I'll need money for return shipping and my ffl fees I incured
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Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:33 PM
To: Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.com
I'm not trying to rip you off or anything, but I don't feel like it's
fair that I should pay shipping back & FFL fees. I'm already out
almost $50 for the money I spent to ship it there, plus the money to
ship the ammo, and I'd have to pay my FFL fees to get the gun back.
You're the one making the call not to keep the gun while I try to work
things out with FedEx. Also you don't have to pay FFL fees to send it
back to me because it's going to MY FFL, so I'd be paying the fees
when I get it.
Alternatively, you can hang on to the rifle while I deal with FedEx
and if they do want to pay for the damages, they will want the rifle
then, and I can send you the cash and you can still send me the scope.
It would be like our original deal, except instead of the gun you'd
end up with the ammo and cash.
I'm really trying to work with you here––it sucks that the gun was
damaged, but it's not my fault or yours. Trying to resolve this so we
are both satisfied. I'd also like to keep our negotiations via email
so that we both have written proof of what's discussed. I'm sure you
understand.
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Faon18 <Faon18@hisemail.comSun, Apr 1, 2012 at 8:04 PM
To: Ocala313 <Ocala313@myemail.com>
I understand where your coming from, but at the same time waiting for insurance claim isn't what I want because I wouldn't have sold the scope the only reason I was trading it was you wanted nothing else, having said that I think since the rifle came "damaged" I believe the fees that have been and will be incured are your responsibility, if you don't feel the sane we can start a feedback thread and have the mods look this over, let me know
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4/1/2012 8:55:07 PM
when I received the rifle from the ffl the stock assembly was off the gun and I didn't know why nor did my ffl, I installed it back on, there is over a inch of play in the stock, my buddy who has quite a few howa and blackhawk stocks looked at it and thinks it was taken apart at one point because the spring in the pistol grip is not connected anymore, also I tried cambering a brand new round and it will not chamber oal was .235 I believe which is well within specs, it locked up solid and wouldn't eject nor could I close the action, so at this point with this many problems I have no interest in keeping this rifle, furthermore I don't want to wait for the FedEx claim because I don't want to sell the scope for cash and wouldn't have sold it straight across in the first place, and I don't believe I am responsible for any charges that have been incurred on my end for receiving damaged goods
pictures of the stock play to follow
i would also add i have no problems with him, he has been great to deal with and has been a stand up guy we just have a misunderstanding
this is how it should be
but then the whole assembly slides, so far forward it actually covers the trigger
pictures of the stock play to follow
i would also add i have no problems with him, he has been great to deal with and has been a stand up guy we just have a misunderstanding
this is how it should be
but then the whole assembly slides, so far forward it actually covers the trigger
4/1/2012 8:58:23 PM
When the item left my possession it was in one solid piece, with no play in it. I never shot it, but I've chambered and ejected rounds fine, and I have seen other people fire it, but I have not fired it myself.
4/1/2012 9:59:55 PM
You both seem like fair and reasonable members, can you guys work this out?
4/1/2012 10:03:09 PM
We're trying to figure this out. Mostly Faon18 suggested getting opinions here because we can't seem to agree on who should pay return shipping etc. I'm willing to go with whatever a third-party observer thinks is fair.
4/1/2012 10:04:23 PM
My biggest thing is if the stock was the only problem we could replace that and be on our way but its not, I can't even chamber a round to fire it, having said that I'm unsure if their are more issues as he said he's never fired it himself.... So I think the best solution is to ship it back but I don't feel I'm responsible for shipping costs and the ffl fee I paid.
4/1/2012 10:08:43 PM
I see no malicious intent on either side just a bad set of circumstances for you both.
Anyway you guys could split the return shipping and call it a day?
Anyway you guys could split the return shipping and call it a day?
4/1/2012 10:19:43 PM
Did you try backing off or removing the front action screw and then attempting to chamber an empty case?
This works on some Rem. 700s.
This works on some Rem. 700s.
4/1/2012 10:21:05 PM
Originally Posted By Rudison:
Did you try backing off or removing the front action screw and then attempting to chamber an empty case?
This works on some Rem. 700s.
Did you try backing off or removing the front action screw and then attempting to chamber an empty case?
This works on some Rem. 700s.
I was thinking something similar––once the stock is fixed it should chamber a round
4/2/2012 12:16:16 AM
It's strange the box wasn't damaged and the rifle seems to have been dismantled into two pieces at some point. It's almost like someone got to the rifle and swapped some parts somewhere in between the seller mailing it and the buyer (or trader in this case) received it and didn't feel the need to reassemble it before resealing the box.
The bad thing for the seller here is it is his responsibility to get product as described to the buyer, so unfortunately without a confession from one of the FFL's, their employees or the shipper it falls back on him, and he is ultimately on the hook for the shipping.
The bad thing for the seller here is it is his responsibility to get product as described to the buyer, so unfortunately without a confession from one of the FFL's, their employees or the shipper it falls back on him, and he is ultimately on the hook for the shipping.
4/2/2012 12:54:06 AM
So far all Faon18 has paid for is his FFL fee. I have paid to ship the gun and to ship a separate package for the ammo etc. Adding up to around $50. I will be paying MY FFL fee to get the gun back.
Faon18 is requesting that I pay for return shipping, AND reimburse his FFL fee.
I don't feel like it's unreasonable to ask Faon18 to pay the shipping back for the gun. Then we would both have paid 1 FFL fee and 1 shipping fee. It would be equal. I also let him know he shouldn't have to pay for the ammo box to come back so long as he does it as return to sender through UPS without opening it, when it arrives.
For us to split the shipping would be a pain in the ass as far as transferring money etc. I don't think Faon18 has bad intentions, but I also don't think it's fair for me to be punished for something outside my control. I don't really have an extra $50+ lying around to pay for shipping back AND reimbursing his FFL fee as he is asking.
It DOES seem very weird to me that the box was in good shape but the gun was damaged––I packed it very securely. If someone had tampered with it I think Faon18 or his FFL could have been able to tell, as it was taped up very well and had stryofoam all around it. I'll probably call his FFL tomorrow to see what kind of shape the gun and the box came in so I can tell FedEx what's up.
It sucks that this whole thing worked out like it did, and I've said from the start that I want to resolve it to both of our satisfaction, but it seems like we're at a stalemate. I'm out a $700 gun, at least until I hear back from FedEx and possibly even then. Faon18 isn't out anything except his FFL fee, for now.
4/2/2012 2:48:12 AM
No dog in this fight, but I think the seller should be responsible for the return shipping. The buyer did not receive what was traded for. I am not pointing fingers at ANYONE regarding what caused the damage...it is what it is.
Ocala313, You state it would be fair if Faon18 paid for the return shipping because then each of you would have paid shipping one way. How would this be fair to the buyer? The buyer would then be out the cost of shipping, AND HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. He would not have the rifle he traded for. Unfortunately, it is your end of the deal that got damaged, not his. Therefore, it would be your responsibility.
Ocala313, You state it would be fair if Faon18 paid for the return shipping because then each of you would have paid shipping one way. How would this be fair to the buyer? The buyer would then be out the cost of shipping, AND HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. He would not have the rifle he traded for. Unfortunately, it is your end of the deal that got damaged, not his. Therefore, it would be your responsibility.
4/2/2012 5:59:47 AM
Originally Posted By Faon18:
, also I tried cambering a brand new round and it will not chamber oal was .235 I believe which is well within specs, it locked up solid and wouldn't eject nor could I close the action,
, also I tried cambering a brand new round and it will not chamber oal was .235 I believe which is well within specs, it locked up solid and wouldn't eject nor could I close the action,
Is that a typo? Have you tried it with factory loads...?
4/2/2012 7:36:17 AM
That was a factory load I just measured it to be sure I didn't have a bad round
also i would like to add i have paid for by far more then just my ffl fee, like 3 boxes of ammo, and i do not have another 22-250, my time and gas to have my buddy meet me at the range to check it out, my time to call my ffl and him go get a box out of the trash , and then also my time to go and get all this shipped, and when you really stop and think, say i had a pistol that was damage the slide wouldnt lock of suck, and i sold it here on ar15.com, of course i insure it, and then the buyer receives my broken pistol, and has to send it back to me, is that his fault? no way. they i just see a bunch of unfortuante buyers getting jabbed with return fees just so a bad seller or trader can collect the insurance and get a gun /fixed/replaced that was damaged to being with
now im not saying the op did this but i mean to be honest who the hell knows, he seems like a great guy i just cant justify being out like $70.00 just for receving a package with a broken gun
also i would like to add i have paid for by far more then just my ffl fee, like 3 boxes of ammo, and i do not have another 22-250, my time and gas to have my buddy meet me at the range to check it out, my time to call my ffl and him go get a box out of the trash , and then also my time to go and get all this shipped, and when you really stop and think, say i had a pistol that was damage the slide wouldnt lock of suck, and i sold it here on ar15.com, of course i insure it, and then the buyer receives my broken pistol, and has to send it back to me, is that his fault? no way. they i just see a bunch of unfortuante buyers getting jabbed with return fees just so a bad seller or trader can collect the insurance and get a gun /fixed/replaced that was damaged to being with
now im not saying the op did this but i mean to be honest who the hell knows, he seems like a great guy i just cant justify being out like $70.00 just for receving a package with a broken gun
4/2/2012 8:03:23 AM
It's unfortunate but it's on the shipper of the rifle, Ocala.
Put in your claim to FedEx and ask them for a refund on the shipping, Ocala.
I do think a replacement stock would fix it but that's neither here nor there.
Put in your claim to FedEx and ask them for a refund on the shipping, Ocala.
I do think a replacement stock would fix it but that's neither here nor there.
4/2/2012 8:42:39 AM
Sorry Ocala, but the return shipping should be on you. The buyer shouldn't be out money with nothing but a story to show. I've had sellers mess up in the EE, we're human and it's going to happen, each and every time the seller has offered return shipping. Usually it can be worked out without shipping it back, say a new stock, but Faon doesn't seem to want the rifle at all. I see why you think he should be responsible in that sense, but if he's not happy with the sale you shouldn't be either.
4/2/2012 9:25:16 AM
My 2 cents.
The buyer paid, in good faith, the sellers asking price before anything was shipped. It should be the sellers responsibility to deliver the item to the buyer as described/pictured in the original sale info. If it's damaged enroute, that's what the insurance is for. (Sellers should insure for enough to cover any costs due to unforeseen circumstances, including return shipping). The seller should recover his loss by a filing an insurance claim with the shipper. Assuming that any damage was done enroute rather than after delivery, the buyer should be out NOTHING, as none of this is his fault. (He has also suffered with the disappointment of what he received, and the hassles associated with shipping it back). The buyers decision to buy specialized ammo, trip to the range, etc. should not be a factor as this was not something the buyer had anything to do with.
The buyer paid, in good faith, the sellers asking price before anything was shipped. It should be the sellers responsibility to deliver the item to the buyer as described/pictured in the original sale info. If it's damaged enroute, that's what the insurance is for. (Sellers should insure for enough to cover any costs due to unforeseen circumstances, including return shipping). The seller should recover his loss by a filing an insurance claim with the shipper. Assuming that any damage was done enroute rather than after delivery, the buyer should be out NOTHING, as none of this is his fault. (He has also suffered with the disappointment of what he received, and the hassles associated with shipping it back). The buyers decision to buy specialized ammo, trip to the range, etc. should not be a factor as this was not something the buyer had anything to do with.
4/2/2012 11:12:06 AM
Alright, I guess I was in the wrong here. Faon18 I'm willing to reimburse whatever you have to pay to ship it back. Is there any way we could compromise and you could eat your FFL fee? If not then I guess I can reimburse that too. If you can just send me receipts or something with amounts on them, so that I can hopefully recover these costs from FedEx as well. And I can send reimbursement for shipping fees through PayPal when I get receipts. Sorry for this whole hassle, hopefully it's either something I can fix on the gun or I can get paid for the damage from FedEx.
4/2/2012 11:15:59 AM
Yea ill eat the ffl fee, ill get that out when I can, also I can't take paypal so you'll have to mail a check/mo I'm also going to try my vest to refuse the other package so it gets back to you
4/2/2012 11:17:54 AM
OK thanks a lot. I'll reimburse you probably by money order. Just let me know amounts etc.
4/2/2012 11:29:45 AM
Email sent with my FFL
4/2/2012 3:12:10 PM
Good news, ups came by and the gf did as she was told and refused the ammo package so it should be inroute to you
4/2/2012 3:42:27 PM
It is refreshing to see to gentlemen work through a sticky problem without resorting to pettiness. Good on the both of ya!
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4/3/2012 10:26:44 AM
the last time I filed a claim with FED-EX they wanted to pick up the damaged Item from the person I shipped it to, did you file the claim yet?
4/4/2012 9:54:50 AM
I'll bet money the receiving FFL or one of his employees was messing with it. I am accustomed to an FFL not even opening the box until I am in his shop. The last rifle I i bought I used a different FFL and when I got there my new toy had been passed around the shop (including customers) like a drunk whore at a frat party. I was livid! Theyre response was "thats a bass ass rifle, we aint seen one like that before in person".
4/4/2012 1:00:04 PM
The only person who seen the rifle or held is was the half owner no other employees but the 2 owners
4/6/2012 2:57:22 PM
Did the rifle get shipped yet?
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4/6/2012 6:57:09 PM
Originally Posted By caindawg:
the last time I filed a claim with FED-EX they wanted to pick up the damaged Item from the person I shipped it to, did you file the claim yet?
the last time I filed a claim with FED-EX they wanted to pick up the damaged Item from the person I shipped it to, did you file the claim yet?
No, I seen this and wanted to talk to you first, although I don't want the rifle anymore, I definitely do not want to screw you out of the insurance.
4/7/2012 12:06:22 AM
No, please send it back. FedEx is waiting to pick it up from my house. If you have the original box, please send it in that box, FedEx wants that too.
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4/12/2012 11:26:42 PM
Did it ship?
4/13/2012 9:05:34 AM
I'm shooting on Saturday shipping, my ffl is moving locations so they are closed a lot atm, so I'm having a tough time getting the box with my work hours and their hours
4/13/2012 8:15:51 PM
Since you've hung onto it this long, would you be OK with just calling 1.800.GoFedEx (1-800-463-3339) to arrange for them to pick it up at your earliest convenience?
Tracking Number: 102342419676740
Case Number: 0331715163
Make sure to get a reciept from them when they pick it up and keep me posted. Thanks.
4/16/2012 11:30:08 PM
Any updates on MY rifle? 
4/17/2012 9:31:31 AM
Originally Posted By Ocala313:
Any updates on MY rifle?
Any updates on MY rifle?
4/17/2012 7:23:57 PM
I sent him a email gator, my biggest problem now is I work 6-? Like tonight I'm still at work and its 6 so fedex couldn't pickup today, I'm going to have to arrange it with my gf so she can be home when they can pick it up
4/17/2012 8:48:01 PM
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
4/17/2012 9:25:05 PM
Originally Posted By juliomorris:
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
You have no idea what's going on. First off had I known I would have to box and try to get out to ship a rifle for this deal I wouldn't have done it. I know that I'm busy and have a hard time mailing stuff at the po, and I won't have my gf go mail guns at the hub because last time they told her they won't ship guns, second off he wanted the original box it was shipped in my ffl is open 2-3 hours a day if at all atm because they are switching locations so I've been trying to get the box, third off I've been more then fair, I received a damage rifle and am eating ffl fees and the time I will have invested into this rifle ( a rifle which I highly doubt was damaged in shipping) so I really don't take kindly to your popping here and trying to make me out as the bad guy
4/17/2012 9:35:48 PM
Originally Posted By Faon18:
Yea ill eat the ffl fee, ill get that out when I can, also I can't take paypal so you'll have to mail a check/mo I'm also going to try my vest to refuse the other package so it gets back to you
Yea ill eat the ffl fee, ill get that out when I can, also I can't take paypal so you'll have to mail a check/mo I'm also going to try my vest to refuse the other package so it gets back to you
On 4/2 you posted this.
It's been 15 days:D I have no doubt you are busy but do try to look at it from the sellers view too.
4/17/2012 9:41:09 PM
I definitely see where he's coming from and he's been very good the whole transaction, but my work hours are typically 6-5 and at the moment were working a hour and a half from home redoing a gas station, so by the time we quit at 5 and get home at 6:30 there's nothing I can do then. And on Friday when I was suppose to get the box from the ffl I called and they weren't even in town. its just horrible timing with my work. It isn't like me buying a buttstock where I can slip a check in the mail at 6am on my way to work .
4/18/2012 8:32:53 AM
Originally Posted By Faon18:
You have no idea what's going on. First off had I known I would have to box and try to get out to ship a rifle for this deal I wouldn't have done it. I know that I'm busy and have a hard time mailing stuff at the po, and I won't have my gf go mail guns at the hub because last time they told her they won't ship guns, second off he wanted the original box it was shipped in my ffl is open 2-3 hours a day if at all atm because they are switching locations so I've been trying to get the box, third off I've been more then fair, I received a damage rifle and am eating ffl fees and the time I will have invested into this rifle ( a rifle which I highly doubt was damaged in shipping) so I really don't take kindly to your popping here and trying to make me out as the bad guy
Originally Posted By juliomorris:
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
You have no idea what's going on. First off had I known I would have to box and try to get out to ship a rifle for this deal I wouldn't have done it. I know that I'm busy and have a hard time mailing stuff at the po, and I won't have my gf go mail guns at the hub because last time they told her they won't ship guns, second off he wanted the original box it was shipped in my ffl is open 2-3 hours a day if at all atm because they are switching locations so I've been trying to get the box, third off I've been more then fair, I received a damage rifle and am eating ffl fees and the time I will have invested into this rifle ( a rifle which I highly doubt was damaged in shipping) so I really don't take kindly to your popping here and trying to make me out as the bad guy
So in other words yes you still have the rifle and your money while the seller has nothing after 15 days.... I wasn't pooping here I was pointing out that you have taken way to long to ship the rifle back because you apparently don't care because you have your money back. It sounds like you are taking your good old easy time about it as a form of payback because you beleive the rifle was shipped damaged (which I doubt). Do your part and ship the rifle back. You choose to pay your ffl fees( he offered to cover them)....... I really think the above response showed your true colors... I happen to know that stock is easily damaged....
4/18/2012 10:12:25 AM
Originally Posted By juliomorris:
So in other words yes you still have the rifle and your money while the seller has nothing after 15 days.... I wasn't pooping here I was pointing out that you have taken way to long to ship the rifle back because you apparently don't care because you have your money back. It sounds like you are taking your good old easy time about it as a form of payback because you beleive the rifle was shipped damaged (which I doubt). Do your part and ship the rifle back. You choose to pay your ffl fees( he offered to cover them)....... I really think the above response showed your true colors... I happen to know that stock is easily damaged....
Originally Posted By Faon18:
You have no idea what's going on. First off had I known I would have to box and try to get out to ship a rifle for this deal I wouldn't have done it. I know that I'm busy and have a hard time mailing stuff at the po, and I won't have my gf go mail guns at the hub because last time they told her they won't ship guns, second off he wanted the original box it was shipped in my ffl is open 2-3 hours a day if at all atm because they are switching locations so I've been trying to get the box, third off I've been more then fair, I received a damage rifle and am eating ffl fees and the time I will have invested into this rifle ( a rifle which I highly doubt was damaged in shipping) so I really don't take kindly to your popping here and trying to make me out as the bad guy
Originally Posted By juliomorris:
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
So does the buyer have his money returned but is still sitting on the rifle???????? So the seller has no rifle and no money????????
You have no idea what's going on. First off had I known I would have to box and try to get out to ship a rifle for this deal I wouldn't have done it. I know that I'm busy and have a hard time mailing stuff at the po, and I won't have my gf go mail guns at the hub because last time they told her they won't ship guns, second off he wanted the original box it was shipped in my ffl is open 2-3 hours a day if at all atm because they are switching locations so I've been trying to get the box, third off I've been more then fair, I received a damage rifle and am eating ffl fees and the time I will have invested into this rifle ( a rifle which I highly doubt was damaged in shipping) so I really don't take kindly to your popping here and trying to make me out as the bad guy
So in other words yes you still have the rifle and your money while the seller has nothing after 15 days.... I wasn't pooping here I was pointing out that you have taken way to long to ship the rifle back because you apparently don't care because you have your money back. It sounds like you are taking your good old easy time about it as a form of payback because you beleive the rifle was shipped damaged (which I doubt). Do your part and ship the rifle back. You choose to pay your ffl fees( he offered to cover them)....... I really think the above response showed your true colors... I happen to know that stock is easily damaged....
Agreed. The buyer obviously had time to pick the rifle up and over a two week period cannot go to his FFL. I'd be sure to leave at the very least, neutral feedback at this point, regardless of outcome.
4/18/2012 11:04:21 AM
If you guys no a lot about knoxx stocks then explain how the threaded caps on the sides were still threaded in place, and the pins were inside the caps but it was no hooked onto the adapter that hooks on the the action, someone took it apart improperly and that's the end of the story, unless the caps came unthreaded during shipping the pins fell out, the stock fell off then the pins fell back in and the caps threaded back on, and it won't even action a round? But with all that aside, say what you want I'm working out of town now and no po fed ex ups is open when I get off work or before work, I'm not dicking around or ignoring anyone, I've have gotten back to him immediately every time
4/18/2012 11:31:57 AM
And I'm not saying I'm in the right for how long this is taking because I'm not, this is just horrible timing
4/18/2012 12:36:18 PM
maybe bring it to work and send it off during a lunch break?
4/18/2012 2:15:20 PM
We typically try to walk to dinner because we have a crane truck, so it has outriggers set down and such, if that make since , ie we've been eating caseys food all week
4/18/2012 3:32:47 PM
Now I understand you can't be inconvenienced but its okay for the seller to be........ No problem not at all another 30 days won't matter to him...... Why can't you take it now you seem to be spending alot of time on here during the day?????
4/18/2012 3:34:19 PM
As for the stock I have seen them come apart from being torqued to the side from ammo boxes being stacked on the stock.
4/18/2012 4:12:52 PM
Dude I am not even within 100 miles from my home now nor do I have personal transportation, I've been a honest member of ar15 for a while now , but I honestly have to say everyone of you is really starting to make me question this
4/18/2012 4:46:19 PM
Originally Posted By Faon18:
Dude I am not even within 100 miles from my home now nor do I have personal transportation, I've been a honest member of ar15 for a while now , but I honestly have to say everyone of you is really starting to make me question this
Dude I am not even within 100 miles from my home now nor do I have personal transportation, I've been a honest member of ar15 for a while now , but I honestly have to say everyone of you is really starting to make me question this
So you'll use everyone else's concern with making things right as a reason to rip the seller off?
4/18/2012 4:56:20 PM
Wtf are you talking about ripping him off ?
4/18/2012 5:07:43 PM
Wtf are you talking about ripping him off ?
