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 How are the Greek Sar-8's?
bradb  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 5:10:34 PM
How are the Greek made Sar-8's. From what I remember hearing, they are supposed to be equals to real hk91's. Is this correct? Is $1200 a good price for one? Are they sear pack compatible? Anything in particular to look for on one? I have several mp5's, and am looking to expand into some hk type rifles, but don't have any experience with one.
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ezielinski  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 6:37:31 PM
The Greek SARs and the Portugese FMP G3s are identical to the HK91 for parts and reliability. They are licenced by HK and made on HK equipment.
GreyGhost  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 8:39:59 PM
Remember,there are 2 different SAR-8's.The early ones were made by EBO in Greece.They were made on HK equipment by HK trained techs.They in all honesty are the equal of a HK91.I've got a SAR 8 and a HK91 and you can't tell the difference except one says made in Greece and the other says made in Germany.

After the import ban SAR-8's from Greece could no longer be imported.Springfield then took HK91 parts kits and using a Federal Arms receiver built a made in the USA version––this is junk that many times has an out of spec bolt gap.You can identify a Fedaral Arms receiver by the fact it has a built in weaver rail.Stay far away from these.
bradb  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 8:45:42 PM
The one I am looking at is the EBO Greek made rifle with the stamped receiver, not the aluminum one. Is $1200 a good price with 4 magazines?
retrodog  [Member]
1/9/2009 9:17:47 PM
Originally Posted By bradb:
How are the Greek made Sar-8's. From what I remember hearing, they are supposed to be equals to real hk91's. Is this correct? Is $1200 a good price for one? Are they sear pack compatible? Anything in particular to look for on one? I have several mp5's, and am looking to expand into some hk type rifles, but don't have any experience with one.


Go read this thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=265224
GreyGhost  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 6:57:23 AM
That's a good price.Jump on it.
BB  [Member]
1/10/2009 10:09:08 AM
If you are looking for a sear host, I'd suggest passing on the SAR-8 and building a G3 kit from HKParts.net. The SAR-8 will more than likely have a semiauto bolt group.

If you build a G3 clone, it will cost maybe $100-$200 or so more but have all full auto parts, so you can have it built as a host; plus you'll have a grenade launcher ring, flat/wide handguard, poly lower and a paddle mag release.
aolspartsman  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 10:38:24 AM
I have owned a Greek Sar-8 since 1990. Quality is every bit as good a German H&K. It doesn't have a flash suppressor or a bayonet lug and it has a thumb hole stock.
It is very accurate for a semi auto rifle.
I have seen quite a bit of discussion as to what the legality is for returning it to a preban configuration . Proceed with caution.
retrodog  [Member]
1/10/2009 2:01:36 PM
Originally Posted By BB:
If you are looking for a sear host, I'd suggest passing on the SAR-8 and building a G3 kit from HKParts.net. The SAR-8 will more than likely have a semiauto bolt group.

If you build a G3 clone, it will cost maybe $100-$200 or so more but have all full auto parts, so you can have it built as a host; plus you'll have a grenade launcher ring, flat/wide handguard, poly lower and a paddle mag release.


That's a good idea but I'd still buy the SAR-8. It's as close to a real HK as you're gonna get. The only things you need to add to it to make it FA ready(sear pack ready) would be a three-position lower ($125 @ hkparts.net) and a FA bolt carrier ($119 @hkparts.net). And if your sear comes with the grip, you won't even have to buy that.

Hail Mary  [Member]
1/10/2009 4:53:25 PM
I would jump on that SAR 8 at that price. I had 2 HK91s and 1 SAR 8. I sold the HKs to finance some other toys and kept the SAR 8.
BB  [Member]
1/10/2009 6:21:56 PM
Originally Posted By retrodog:
Originally Posted By BB:
If you are looking for a sear host, I'd suggest passing on the SAR-8 and building a G3 kit from HKParts.net. The SAR-8 will more than likely have a semiauto bolt group.

If you build a G3 clone, it will cost maybe $100-$200 or so more but have all full auto parts, so you can have it built as a host; plus you'll have a grenade launcher ring, flat/wide handguard, poly lower and a paddle mag release.


That's a good idea but I'd still buy the SAR-8. It's as close to a real HK as you're gonna get. The only things you need to add to it to make it FA ready(sear pack ready) would be a three-position lower ($125 @ hkparts.net) and a FA bolt carrier ($119 @hkparts.net). And if your sear comes with the grip, you won't even have to buy that.



Not to be argumentative, but an FMP is pretty much the same; if I had an FMP G3S import would that be farther from a "real" HK than the Hellenic SAI? If I have a good smith build my all-German G3 parts kit on a PTR receiver how much farther am I from a "real" HK?

Also, wont a SAR-8 possibly have a thumbhole stock, no muzzle device or a brake and tropical handguard at that price? I just think I'd want to know more than that it was a stamped rifle at that price.
bradb  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 8:08:04 PM
It has a regular non-thumbhole stock and the slim style handguard. It has either a brake or FH, I can't tell from the picture. I will probably get a mount for it to put my 7.62SD suppressor on. I would change the handguard to the wide style, but that is only going to run about $75, so not that big of a deal. To me it seems like a fairly good deal, but I just started looking at them and don't have a good handle on the market for them.

Here are 2 pictures I have of it.


ezielinski  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 10:48:49 PM
Originally Posted By BB:
Not to be argumentative, but an FMP is pretty much the same; if I had an FMP G3S import would that be farther from a "real" HK than the Hellenic SAI?


No. It would be equal.
bradb  [Team Member]
1/11/2009 12:18:07 AM
Well, I ended up buying it. Hopefully I'll be able to post some more info and pics in a week or so.
retrodog  [Member]
1/11/2009 12:50:15 PM
Originally Posted By bradb:
Well, I ended up buying it. Hopefully I'll be able to post some more info and pics in a week or so.


Congrats. Very nice rifle. And if you hadn't bought it, I was going to offer to. Great deal.
retrodog  [Member]
1/11/2009 12:53:00 PM
Originally Posted By BB:
Originally Posted By retrodog:
Originally Posted By BB:
If you are looking for a sear host, I'd suggest passing on the SAR-8 and building a G3 kit from HKParts.net. The SAR-8 will more than likely have a semiauto bolt group.

If you build a G3 clone, it will cost maybe $100-$200 or so more but have all full auto parts, so you can have it built as a host; plus you'll have a grenade launcher ring, flat/wide handguard, poly lower and a paddle mag release.


That's a good idea but I'd still buy the SAR-8. It's as close to a real HK as you're gonna get. The only things you need to add to it to make it FA ready(sear pack ready) would be a three-position lower ($125 @ hkparts.net) and a FA bolt carrier ($119 @hkparts.net). And if your sear comes with the grip, you won't even have to buy that.



Not to be argumentative, but an FMP is pretty much the same; if I had an FMP G3S import would that be farther from a "real" HK than the Hellenic SAI? If I have a good smith build my all-German G3 parts kit on a PTR receiver how much farther am I from a "real" HK?

They might be very equal. The problem is with cost and schedule. I think the time and cost of having a smith build on right now (in this post election mess) would drive me nuts. They all seem to be busy right now and I'd prefer to just put this thing to bed, so to speak. There is no way to tell how much time we have left so the sooner, the better.
BB  [Member]
1/11/2009 7:11:29 PM
Yeah, you got that right. Nothing better than instantaneous gratification.
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