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malsikcuf  [Member]
9/11/2008 3:48:23 AM
What type of accuracy should one be able to expect from a HK91? I know this is a bit of a loaded question when you take into account handloads, factory and surplus. Just a good baseline that should be within reason for the average HK91.
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meestermurphy  [Member]
9/11/2008 4:40:16 AM
Ive made several clean one shot kills on deer with my 91 at 300 yards or so using iron sites. Can hit cants at 100 yards. Its accurate enough for practical use.

Erick Z
ORD  [Member]
9/11/2008 7:24:18 AM

Originally Posted By malsikcuf:
What type of accuracy should one be able to expect from a HK91? I know this is a bit of a loaded question when you take into account handloads, factory and surplus. Just a good baseline that should be within reason for the average HK91.


Not so much a loaded question...just a complicated one. You should expect, from an original HK 91, battle rifle accuracy (i.e. - 3 MOA) using surplus ammo. However, not all surplus ammo was created equally (just like commercial ammo). Using handloads or "match" ammo, you could possibly squeeze out 1.5-2 MOA on a good day. Again, speculating on the quality of the ammo, the shooter, etc., etc., etc., that is a reasonable range for the 91's accuracy expectations.

ORD out...
slash-5  [Team Member]
9/11/2008 8:31:40 AM
Mine was about 3".
bcochran  [Member]
9/11/2008 9:19:32 AM
A good question.

Now here is a complicated answer.

Round one.

The 91 design was derived from a western bloc design. Western bloc acceptance standards are three inch patterns at 100 yards using iron sights. Conversely, eastern block acceptance standards are 6 inch patterns at 100 yards.

Round two.

You have to know who built your rifle. Example - some people call virtually any rifle that has an original HK91 or G3 part an HK91. Example - Or an ak47 is not necessarily an ak47. The Finns built their own commercial version with exceeding high accuracy - or you can buy an Egyptian Maadi built with Russian equipment and it has the 6 inch accuracy.

Round three.

Ammo is not the same. If you want decent accuracy, you buy US factory fresh match ammo. If you would like to risk your life, then you buy east Indian military surplus that was put into commercial channels because some of it blew up .308 rifles in the Indian Army arsenal.

We will leave reloads out of the discussion. No one has ever admitted loading a bad reload since George Washington confessed to chopping down the cherry tree. Of course, I have to mention that a friend reloaded 1000 .308 rounds for me without sizing what he thought was good virgin brass. I then had to reload the reloads.

Round four.

The old grey mare ain't what she used to be. These are people who disdain optics because they are 60 years old and think that they can shoot a gnat's eyeball at 800 yards when they can't seem to find their glasses when they get up in the morning. I am 61 years old and still trying to get over thinning hair myself. I also practice handgun without my prescription glasses because I already know that I won't find them when I need them.

Round five. My favorite.

Let's compare two different shooting positions. USMC sniper scout prone supported. A position that is so stable that the rifle can be balanced and standing hands free. The other shooting position is the poor man's bench rest. You go to a range and find a concrete table with a rickety chair to sit upon. You rest your bare elbow on the concrete table while hunching over the rifle and strain to find the iron sights.

Round six.

Let's talk ballistics. This is simply knowing the arc of a specific loaded round shot at a certain altitude with certain wind conditions and temperature. Now you can go and buy the Sierra ballistics software. It will do the calculations. You can print out the information, laminate it and keep it with your HK91. Then you can shoot 25 -800 yards with some degree of accuracy if you know the specific range (we cheaters like to use laser rangefinders to determine the distance). Or you can walk out what you guess is 100 yards, hang a target, bang away until you think you are sighted in, and then guess at the various ranges at what you are shooting.

When all is said and done, you can expect 3 inches with iron sights at 100 yards with a real, not erzatz HK91 and slightly over an inch if you use a decent position, match ammo and high quality optics.
RaynoEleven  [Team Member]
9/11/2008 10:59:19 AM
Mine can hold under 2", with good ammo.
AMZ  [Team Member]
9/12/2008 8:40:31 PM
edited. oops wrong topic
whatnow  [Member]
9/13/2008 10:08:14 PM
Good ammo, good optics and some trigger work should net you sub 2moa.

bill
Harlikwin  [Team Member]
9/18/2008 11:39:30 PM

Originally Posted By ORD:

Originally Posted By malsikcuf:
What type of accuracy should one be able to expect from a HK91? I know this is a bit of a loaded question when you take into account handloads, factory and surplus. Just a good baseline that should be within reason for the average HK91.


Not so much a loaded question...just a complicated one. You should expect, from an original HK 91, battle rifle accuracy (i.e. - 3 MOA) using surplus ammo. However, not all surplus ammo was created equally (just like commercial ammo). Using handloads or "match" ammo, you could possibly squeeze out 1.5-2 MOA on a good day. Again, speculating on the quality of the ammo, the shooter, etc., etc., etc., that is a reasonable range for the 91's accuracy expectations.

ORD out...


This is what I'd call the honest answer.

Unless you start getting into the world of heavily modified sniper variants of the HK91 (there are several). FWIW I have G3SG-1 clone that on a good day will consistently do a touch over 1MOA with handloads (single loaded) so I tend to call bs on people that claim more than that with a stock hk91. Do not buy the stories of sub-moa HK-91s, certainly you will from time to time see those groups but they tend to be statistical flukes.

FreedomJoyAdventure  [Member]
10/28/2008 10:57:20 AM
Nice answer, thank you.
FreedomJoyAdventure  [Member]
10/28/2008 10:58:03 AM
Nice answer, bcochran, thank you.
AcesHye  [Member]
10/28/2008 7:18:34 PM
well said. I have done days of research on this topic and it's exactly what i see Consistanly.

Originally Posted By ORD:
Originally Posted By malsikcuf:
What type of accuracy should one be able to expect from a HK91? I know this is a bit of a loaded question when you take into account handloads, factory and surplus. Just a good baseline that should be within reason for the average HK91.


Not so much a loaded question...just a complicated one. You should expect, from an original HK 91, battle rifle accuracy (i.e. - 3 MOA) using surplus ammo. However, not all surplus ammo was created equally (just like commercial ammo). Using handloads or "match" ammo, you could possibly squeeze out 1.5-2 MOA on a good day. Again, speculating on the quality of the ammo, the shooter, etc., etc., etc., that is a reasonable range for the 91's accuracy expectations.

ORD out...


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