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Deere  [Member]
10/29/2011 5:04:33 PM
Hi

I'm a new Fal owner and it was sort of an impulse buy. I picked up a springfield sar 48 with 7 mags. It is labeled 1005-sa-48-match and underneath it states imbel. It is also stamped sar 48 and the serial number on the upper. Overall I would say it is in very good shape. Looks like the handguard had a bipod on it because it has some scratches but it no longer has the bipod. The reciever is black and has a carry handle. Can anyone tell me anything about this gun? How would I know what kind of parts are on this gun? Is the Sar-48 a good rifle? Was it built from surplus parts by springfield? Is there anything I should look for on the rifle? I'm not usually into impulse buys but it seemed like a decent deal.

Sorry I"m a total newbie when it comes to Fals.

Thanks
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Gamma762  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 8:20:36 PM
SAR48's are pre-89 Imbel made complete rifles, imported by Springfield Armory. They are generally regarded as excellent quality rifles.
EMSflyer  [Team Member]
10/29/2011 11:49:43 PM
You have a factory built Imbel FAL.
You really could not do any better.
Back in the 80's American Rifleman reviewed
the SAR 48 and found that the SAR 48
was more accurate than the FN built FAL
they had previously tested.
I had one a long time ago and hope
to own another one some day.

Congrats,
EMSflyer
dobk  [Team Member]
10/30/2011 1:05:16 PM
Originally Posted By Deere:
I'm not usually into impulse buys but it seemed like a decent deal.

If you don't mind me asking how much did you have to give?
Deere  [Member]
10/30/2011 9:40:43 PM
The guy was asking 1450 for it, we settled at 1000 with 7 mags. I thought it was a pretty good deal. It needs the bipod though - I was thinking about ordering one from sarco - I felt that it was too good to pass up.
Sumoj275  [Member]
10/30/2011 9:44:05 PM
I think you did fine on your purchase, that is about the price of a DSA Imbel––and you got the real Imbel. As to the bipod, if you have to have one look at DSA quick detach as it will take no time to put on/take off.
Hebrew_Battle_Rifle  [Member]
10/31/2011 6:11:31 AM

Originally Posted By Deere:
The guy was asking 1450 for it, we settled at 1000 with 7 mags. I thought it was a pretty good deal. It needs the bipod though - I was thinking about ordering one from sarco - I felt that it was too good to pass up.

I think that you will be disappointed with the bi pod. It is very heavy and pointless on a semi auto rifle. It was designed to allow a soldier to control the rifle in full auto fire. It wasn't designed to provide a stable platform for precision shooting.
Some folks like the looks though. So, if that is your kick, they sell for around $40 to $50 dollars and aren't rare.
EMSflyer  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 10:26:51 AM
Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:

Originally Posted By Deere:
The guy was asking 1450 for it, we settled at 1000 with 7 mags. I thought it was a pretty good deal. It needs the bipod though - I was thinking about ordering one from sarco - I felt that it was too good to pass up.

I think that you will be disappointed with the bi pod. It is very heavy and pointless on a semi auto rifle. It was designed to allow a soldier to control the rifle in full auto fire. It wasn't designed to provide a stable platform for precision shooting.
Some folks like the looks though. So, if that is your kick, they sell for around $40 to $50 dollars and aren't rare.


I agree with HBR, leave off the bipod.

Spend the money on mags or ammo.

By the way you got a smokin deal on that SAR48....
RangemasterP226  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 11:29:42 AM
I have one of those and it is excellent. Your price is also excellent. You did good!

Now stock up on 308.
O_DubhGhaill  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 1:27:37 PM
I have read that accuracy suffers with the use of a bipod. Makes sense, given that the barrel is not free-floated and the bipod applies pressure to the barrel near the muzzle end. My used SAR-48 came with a bipod and I removed it immediately with no regrets.
Noah_Zark  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 3:25:10 PM
Deere:

Congrats on the acquisition.

I've owned SAR-48 s/n 14XX since my dealer special-ordered it new from Springfield in 1985. I already had a Steyr-imported FN 50.00, and mainly bought the SAR-48 as a "shooter" because I was under the impression the FN 50.00 was the "better" rifle.

I was wrong.

The fit and finish on the Imbel SAR-48 was hands down better than that on the FN 50.00 product. The finish was of course different, being a baked coating on the SAR vs phosphate on the FN, But the SAR finish was flawless, and the metalworking inside was also superior to that of the FN.

Operationally both rifles were equals. Once the gas was adjusted, they ran like Maytags on Port surplus from the 70s, the only inexpensive 7.62 NATO surplus in the mid/late 80s.

Accuracy was another matter. The SAR-48's group with 70s Port surplus was (and still is) typically 1.25" to 1.75". The FN 50.00 grouped 1.5" to 2.0" LARGER than the SAR-48 did, typically around 3.5", give or take 1/4" to 1/2".

I ended up shooting the SAR-48 more simply because it was (ans still is) more accurate than the FN 50.00, and because I enjoyed shooting it more than the FN. When the 94 Ban hit and demand and prices for preban rifles went through the roof, the FN 50.00 found a new home and I smiled all the way to the bank. I still have the SAR-48, and my heirs will have to worry about its disposition when I'm gone.

Again, congrats on a great acquisition at a great price point.

Noah
Deere  [Member]
10/31/2011 5:19:31 PM
Thanks! I think I will hold off on a bipod, the only real reason I wanted one is because the handguards are scratched where the bipod used to be. I'm going to order up some ammo and see how it shoots. I'm not real happy with the sights and may see if I can get something a little better.
texashark  [Team Member]
10/31/2011 5:36:07 PM
Excellent rifle.
I have one and it's one of my favorite.
Scumrunner  [Member]
11/1/2011 5:16:01 PM
$1k is a heck of a deal for a SAR-48.
O_DubhGhaill  [Team Member]
11/3/2011 2:01:35 PM
Originally Posted By Scumrunner:
$1k is a heck of a deal for a SAR-48.


It is. Back in May, there were a few SAR-48s and SAR-48 Bush rifles popping up fairly regularly on GunBroker - haven't seen much of anything since then.
jaypandolfo  [Member]
11/4/2011 3:30:03 PM
Originally Posted By Deere:
Hi

I'm a new Fal owner and it was sort of an impulse buy. I picked up a springfield sar 48 with 7 mags. It is labeled 1005-sa-48-match and underneath it states imbel. It is also stamped sar 48 and the serial number on the upper. Overall I would say it is in very good shape. Looks like the handguard had a bipod on it because it has some scratches but it no longer has the bipod. The reciever is black and has a carry handle. Can anyone tell me anything about this gun? How would I know what kind of parts are on this gun? Is the Sar-48 a good rifle? Was it built from surplus parts by springfield? Is there anything I should look for on the rifle? I'm not usually into impulse buys but it seemed like a decent deal.

Sorry I"m a total newbie when it comes to Fals.

Thanks


The SAR48 might be the best FAL out there, even better than the Belgian FN. The receivers of the SAR48 FALs are forged as opposed to the FNs which are cast. I'm no engineer by any means, but from what I've been told the SAR48 receivers will last twice as long as the FNs (even though you're highly unlikely to wear out a cast FN receiver in your lifetime). I missed out on buying one two years back since I thought it was a low quality rifle like a Century. I don't know if I'll ever get the opportunity to come across another one in person.

That rifle usually runs anywhere from $1.5k - $2k. Bottom line, you made an AWESOME decision with that impulse buy.
Hebrew_Battle_Rifle  [Member]
11/4/2011 7:03:06 PM
Every time I see that "cast V forged" argument, I wonder how many of the anti cast STEEL naysayers ever consider how much force they apply to their brake rotors every time that they drive their car without ever worrying about them failing catastrophically. There isn't a personal firearm on the planet that sees that much destructive force in it's cumulative lifetime and yet these same people keep wringing their freakin hands over "cast" receivers and frames. Get a freakin clue people. Cast STEEL is more than adequate for use in firearms!
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