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New DSA Imbel With Range Report
10/1/2011 6:56:47 PM
I’m exceptionally impressed with this rifle. This is my first FAL, in fact it’s the first FAL I’ve ever even handled, and I’m in love. It took DSA five weeks to deliver the rifle with four additional 20 round DSA magazines. They gave me “dealer” pricing, so the whole package was only $960 shipped which was a nice bonus.
Fit and finish are excellent. After field stripping, inspecting, and lubing the rifle, I can’t tell that any of the parts had been used or issued. The bore was shiny and looked new. Not a mark on the whole thing. It feels like a tank.
I’ve run 60 rounds of Radway Green through it today. It ran and fed flawlessly from the top and bottom of all five magazines. I dialed it back from “7” to “3.5” on the gas. It functioned properly at “4.5”, but I dialed it back two more clicks per the instructions.
I like a 50 yard zero, and I had to adjust the rear sight to the 500 meter mark to achieve this. I know that I can file down the front sight (it’s seated), but I don’t plan to shoot beyond 250 (and usually inside 100) with this one, so a 50 yard zero will serve me well.
Five shot groups ranged from 2.5 - 3.75 inches at 100 yards. This was acceptable to me given military surplus ammo, the nature of the FAL, a somewhat stiff trigger, iron sights, and my general lack of skill with the rifle. I was pleased with the rifle’s accuracy.
Here are the obligatory pictures. It shoots great, feels great, and looks great. I really wish I’d gotten in when they were less pricey. I may slip out here in an hour or so and see if I can find a coyote.
Notice on the right side, brass is hitting the side of the receiver pretty hard. I’m assuming this is normal.
Fit and finish are excellent. After field stripping, inspecting, and lubing the rifle, I can’t tell that any of the parts had been used or issued. The bore was shiny and looked new. Not a mark on the whole thing. It feels like a tank.
I’ve run 60 rounds of Radway Green through it today. It ran and fed flawlessly from the top and bottom of all five magazines. I dialed it back from “7” to “3.5” on the gas. It functioned properly at “4.5”, but I dialed it back two more clicks per the instructions.
I like a 50 yard zero, and I had to adjust the rear sight to the 500 meter mark to achieve this. I know that I can file down the front sight (it’s seated), but I don’t plan to shoot beyond 250 (and usually inside 100) with this one, so a 50 yard zero will serve me well.
Five shot groups ranged from 2.5 - 3.75 inches at 100 yards. This was acceptable to me given military surplus ammo, the nature of the FAL, a somewhat stiff trigger, iron sights, and my general lack of skill with the rifle. I was pleased with the rifle’s accuracy.
Here are the obligatory pictures. It shoots great, feels great, and looks great. I really wish I’d gotten in when they were less pricey. I may slip out here in an hour or so and see if I can find a coyote.
Notice on the right side, brass is hitting the side of the receiver pretty hard. I’m assuming this is normal.
10/1/2011 7:23:03 PM
nice stick,,,,,,,they are fun to shoot. thats why i have 3 of them......
10/1/2011 9:16:12 PM
the Dsa imbel seems like an exceptional value, i bought 2 to go with my dsa stg. too bad they went real quick
10/1/2011 11:57:39 PM
nice looking, I'm more than pleased with mine. Be glad we bought them while we did becuase I just checked DSA's website and they're no longer listed
here's a pic of mine with two of my other .308/ 7.62x51 rifles
As to the brass hitting the upper, yes thats normal. As to the gas setting, mine's set at 4.5
here's a pic of mine with two of my other .308/ 7.62x51 rifles
As to the brass hitting the upper, yes thats normal. As to the gas setting, mine's set at 4.5
10/2/2011 12:17:48 AM
With my DSA sighted in at 50 I get 1 inch groups easy wit LC M80 ammo
10/2/2011 10:02:05 AM
That is great that you got your rifle. I wish I would have had the coin to jump one of these for a project but coins in the pocket could not make it happen.
Have fun with her, use her, and don't worry about brass kisses––that is just a sign of love
Have fun with her, use her, and don't worry about brass kisses––that is just a sign of love
10/2/2011 2:42:32 PM
Originally Posted By boarklr:
It shoots great, feels great, and looks great.
It shoots great, feels great, and looks great.
I have the same rifle and that sums it up for me as well. Excellent rifles.
10/2/2011 4:10:17 PM
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
10/2/2011 4:31:34 PM
Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
Thank you for the advice. Where might I buy one of these rear sights...
10/2/2011 5:23:00 PM
You might think about putting an L1A1 folding sight on it as it will achieve the same results as a Argy.IDF sight and are much easier to find.
10/2/2011 9:31:10 PM
Nice review. Mine should be in tomorrow.
10/2/2011 9:45:18 PM
Originally Posted By boarklr:
Thank you for the advice. Where might I buy one of these rear sights...
Sight aperture for 600
meter base, original Israeli, can be adapted to 700 meter base by
removing small amount of metal at rear edge. This aperture also
will function with the high open ear Argentine front sight base.
New $12.00Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
Thank you for the advice. Where might I buy one of these rear sights...
http://gunthings.com/ Go the the FAL ISRAELI PARTS page and scroll down to about the last third of the page. I have done business with Brad for years and he is a great vendor. He can be hard to get on the phone at times, but just leave a message and he will get back to you.
Disregard the part in blue. It doesn't apply to your rifle. The Izzy aperture is metric pattern and will replace your aperture without any problem.
10/4/2011 1:38:43 AM
I have a short front sight I would trade you for your current taller one.
They made 4 different sizes (I think it was 4) most people refer to them as one dot, two dot three dot and four dot sights as there are round markings on the sight to determine which height you have.
You got a great deal BTW IMHO!!!!!
Nothing like shooting a man's rifle (FAL!!!!!!)
They made 4 different sizes (I think it was 4) most people refer to them as one dot, two dot three dot and four dot sights as there are round markings on the sight to determine which height you have.
You got a great deal BTW IMHO!!!!!
Nothing like shooting a man's rifle (FAL!!!!!!)
10/4/2011 8:34:52 AM
Originally Posted By JMosesB:
I have a short front sight I would trade you for your current taller one.
They made 4 different sizes (I think it was 4) most people refer to them as one dot, two dot three dot and four dot sights as there are round markings on the sight to determine which height you have.
You got a great deal BTW IMHO!!!!!
Nothing like shooting a man's rifle (FAL!!!!!!)
I have a short front sight I would trade you for your current taller one.
They made 4 different sizes (I think it was 4) most people refer to them as one dot, two dot three dot and four dot sights as there are round markings on the sight to determine which height you have.
You got a great deal BTW IMHO!!!!!
Nothing like shooting a man's rifle (FAL!!!!!!)
so if you install the L1a1 rear sight (600 meter version), you have to change the front sight post?
10/4/2011 10:58:52 AM
Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
I would encourage you to purchase either an Argentine or Israeli rear sight aperture. There are two reasons for this. 1. The larger area of material around the peep hole on the Argy or Izzy apertures will make your sight picture much crisper, especially in low light conditions.This will result in smaller groups and a more enjoyable shooting experience. 2. they are taller and thus need a taller front sight post which you seem to have already. If the sights are properly regulated, you will not have to do any mental gymnastics in order to set your sights for varying distances while in the field. It would suck to miss that once in a life time opportunity because of an unnecessary handicap.
I would also encourage you to experiment with the gas settings. They have a significant impact on group sizes on most rifles.
Yes and yes.
I've several and the "too short rear/too tall front" has been an unexplained issue. A parts kit, one would think, would have appropriately sized sights. I have seen some barrels that weren't exactly straight, though. One was bent sideways. I happen to have an Imbel reciever that the face and threads for teh bbl were about .3degrees off the other way. Everything is sighted in, now, with the sights in the middle and the damn thing will print in 2 inches with handloads and a scope.
I'd be curious as to any explanation on why I've encounterd and heard from others about the front sights being too tall for the rears or vice versa as it seems to be somewhat common.
Start putting para rears or DSA ar15 rears on and it can get even funker. That is one gripe I have about the fal is the rear mounted on the lower and front on the upper. Asking for trouble, imho. I live with it, though. I love these rifles.
10/4/2011 3:53:23 PM
just picked up mine yesterday, and put on a DSA mount, and scoped it. Very nice rifle and price for that matter, the only thing I had issues with mine on, "and its not really and issue" is the safety is very hard to move. I've got 9 other DSA fals, and this one is the most difficult to move. Put some WD40 on it, and sat in front of the TV moving it back and forth for about an hour.. made my fingers sore, but did losen it up a bit. can't wait to put some rounds down range with it. Can't beat that price. too bad DSA is out of them now, but a good thing can only last so long, I called and they were out. Love my FALs...
10/5/2011 2:25:03 AM
If you put a short front sight post on it you shouldn't have to change the rear sight.
Something is amiss if you have to put an Izzy or L1A1 rear sight on a standard metric rifle with the standard metric gasblock.
Something is amiss if you have to put an Izzy or L1A1 rear sight on a standard metric rifle with the standard metric gasblock.
10/5/2011 3:45:11 PM
Maybe I missed it, but did you try to adjust your front site?
10/5/2011 8:53:48 PM
Originally Posted By cvedrick:
Maybe I missed it, but did you try to adjust your front site?
Maybe I missed it, but did you try to adjust your front site?
It's bottomed out.
