Finally shot my Suppressed Socom 16

Finally shot my Suppressed Socom 16

3s1k [Member]

2/6/2012 11:32:29 PM

I've posted this on other forums but for those who aren't on 10 different forums here it is. I'm waiting for my F4 to come through and my C3 dealer being the awesome guy he is brings my toys out when I ask to shoot them. This is a YHM 7.62 Titanium Phantom Q.D. I'm impressed with the sound reduction and even more impressed with the weight. The Socom 16 is already heavy as it gets so what's another 15oz on the end of the barrel

. I am extremely happy with this can and was lucky my dealer let me switch from the YHM SS 5.56 Phantom and upgrade to this one. Check out the comparison video to see it with and without the suppressor. Only thing I didn't like was how bad the blowback was, I'm going to order a Schuster Adjustable Gas plug and see if that helps.

Suppressed Mag Dump

Suppressed Comparison

leid [Team Member]

2/7/2012 12:07:31 AM

Originally Posted By 3s1k:
I've posted this on other forums but for those who aren't on 10 different forums here it is. I'm waiting for my F4 to come through and my C3 dealer being the awesome guy he is brings my toys out when I ask to shoot them. This is a YHM 7.62 Titanium Phantom Q.D. I'm impressed with the sound reduction and even more impressed with the weight. The Socom 16 is already heavy as it gets so what's another 15oz on the end of the barrel

I am very surprised to see that amount of muzzle flash going thru your can. Might be ammo related; little/no flash retardant. Sound reduction appears VERY good. I get zero flash firing LC M80 thru 762SD but with the standard 22" barrel. Put a USGI BFA Breech Shield on to control blowback if it will fit with your scope mounted; it works. If not, Schuster does help and it slows the moving parts down. HTH

3s1k [Member]

2/7/2012 12:26:59 AM

That sparking I guess is caused from the titanium. There's a thread about it in the Suppressor forum.

Titanium Suppressors Sparking

I've been trying to find that shield but could only find it with the firing blank adapters. I guess you can just get the shield. It looks like it wont fit with my scope mount unless I modified it.

leid [Team Member]

2/7/2012 12:50:09 AM

Originally Posted By 3s1k:
That sparking I guess is caused from the titanium. There's a thread about it in the Suppressor forum.

Titanium Suppressors Sparking

I've been trying to find that shield but could only find it with the firing blank adapters. I guess you can just get the shield. It looks like it wont fit with my scope mount unless I modified it.

I stand educated; did not realize the Ti cans did that. Never seen one fired. The breech shield is just a couple bucks when you find them. But it fits in the stripper clip guide which you look to be using for your mount. Go with the Schuster; it will help.

3s1k [Member]

2/7/2012 1:04:01 AM

I only noticed the spark when shooting .308, I didn't see any when shooting 223 from my AR15. Also, the shield might work because my mount doesn't user the stripper guide. I'm using a Bassett Low mount.

leid [Team Member]

2/7/2012 4:34:53 PM

I checked the sources I had for individual M3 Breech Shields; sold out. Cheapest complete M12 BFA kit with M3 Breech Shield is RAparts@$20; new.

33shooter [Member]

2/7/2012 4:49:13 PM

The shield will reduce blowback the most. The gas plug will help but you'll tune it to run suppressed and it won't run unsuppressed. I suppressed my scout but was disappointed in it so I sold it to fund a better suppressor platform.

I found that quality ammunition helped a lot with my can. I'm impressed, it looks and sounds good.

JarHead94 [Team Member]

2/8/2012 3:51:07 AM

I am impressed. I will be getting into SBR and Suppressors when my trust is done in a few months (hopefully next month, though). Now I need to sell my M1A Standard and get a SOCOM and suppressor!

3s1k [Member]

2/8/2012 10:21:35 AM

Originally Posted By leid:

Hey Leid, what does the breech shield look like on the other side of the receiver (left side)? I want to see how it will affect my Bassett mount as that pretty much makes contact with the whole left side of the receiver.

leid [Team Member]

2/8/2012 11:23:37 AM

Originally Posted By 3s1k:

Originally Posted By leid:

Here is the Schuster. Once I found the first setting that would cycle the action with LC M80 BALL unsuppressed, opening the valve just one click would not cycle the weapon at all with suppressor attached. It worked very well on slowing down the speed of the moving parts/cyclic rate but there is still quite a bit of blowback. The threads should have been made as fine as possible for a more precise setting IMO. But there may have been a design restraint there I do not recognize.

3s1k [Member]

2/8/2012 1:45:19 PM

So you just tighten that with an Allen key to find the sweet spot. I guess I'll have to remember the clicks or just swap out the gas plug when shooting suppressed.

That hold is where the bassett screws into and the notch is we're grooves on the mount fits into. Doesn't look like much I would probably have to cut/grind it off so the mount fits flush on the side of the receiver. And you said the BFA mounts onto the stripper clip guide?

33shooter [Member]

2/8/2012 2:15:27 PM

Originally Posted By 3s1k:
So you just tighten that with an Allen key to find the sweet spot. I guess I'll have to remember the clicks or just swap out the gas plug when shooting suppressed.

That hold is where the bassett screws into and the notch is we're grooves on the mount fits into. Doesn't look like much I would probably have to cut/grind it off so the mount fits flush on the side of the receiver. And you said the BFA mounts onto the stripper clip guide?

Just tighten the allen till it works like you want. I spent a lot of ammo setting mine, just a heads up. It slowed my action down a lot, and I felt it was good enough to keep my bolt roller from flying off.

leid [Team Member]

2/8/2012 2:37:44 PM

Yes, the Shield has a lug with a spring loaded retainer toward the bottom to lock it in the guide. A little work with a Dremel is all it should take; maybe weld the Shield to the lug more solidly for strength. There are also some scope mounts that have a large shelf which does a pretty fair job of blocking blowback.

AresixxeR [Member]

2/11/2012 2:10:57 PM

Wow I want to see that in person!!!

My next purchase is a suppressor but can't seem to find any good vids or reviews of the AAC 762SD on a socom16.. Everyone in anchorage carries YHM.

Very interested.

33shooter [Member]

2/11/2012 3:55:54 PM

Originally Posted By AresixxeR:
Wow I want to see that in person!!!

My next purchase is a suppressor but can't seem to find any good vids or reviews of the AAC 762SD on a socom16.. Everyone in anchorage carries YHM.

Very interested.

I used a 762SD on my M1A Scout. It suppressed as good as the gun in the vid. But I wasn't happy with it and I wanted a scoped gun. I don't like the scope mounting options for the M14 platform and feel like overall that the gun doesn't suppress well so I sold it.

I'd recommend the suppressor he has in the vid, a Gemtech, or a surefire. The 762SD was discontinued, and mounts are constantly changing.

Good luck

3s1k [Member]

2/11/2012 7:52:52 PM

I got mine from Viper, and yea he only carries YHM but can order others or transfer them in for you. I'm happy with the YHM cans I have (SS mite, Wraith XL 9mm and Ti 7.62). He has awesome pricing and usually has them in stock which saves a lot of time.

I've always wanted a socom and got for so cheap. I figured I'd suppress it since I already had a 308 can. I'm happy with it except for all the blowback which I ordered some parts to help with that.

Ar15god [Member]

2/13/2012 9:42:48 PM

I will say I cannot wait for my can have been looking at YHM Stainless Phantom QD how is the weight on the front of the m1a? I have a standard M1a and was thinking about going to the Ti just for weight savings?

3s1k [Member]

2/13/2012 11:53:24 PM

The m1a is already pretty hefty, but it isn't to bad with the can on it. The Ti can is almost half of the SS version and and it barely feels like its there. I tried it on my AR also and it felt pretty balanced with my UBR stock.

whiskerz [Team Member]

2/14/2012 10:51:43 PM

I have an older AWC can on my M1a . I have a lot of interest in this discussion . Gas gets bad after a mag or 2 . The shield will not clear a lot of scope mounts that use the stripper clip guide

JimJones [Member]

2/23/2012 12:47:13 PM

Not to hijack but is there any possibility of damaging a M14 type rifle by running a suppressor?

I have submitted my paperwork and am waiting on approval so I can take possession of my can. I went with the AAC 762 SDN-6.
The reason I ask is because I was planning on using this can on my pride and joy my LRB M25. This rifle cost a ton and has all GI parts that I don’t want to take any risks possibly damaging it.

Also OP did you have your bore checked for concentricity? I remember some people recommending having this done for the M14 to reduce the chance of baffle strikes.

33shooter [Member]

2/23/2012 4:03:08 PM

Originally Posted By JimJones:
Not to hijack but is there any possibility of damaging a M14 type rifle by running a suppressor?

I have submitted my paperwork and am waiting on approval so I can take possession of my can. I went with the AAC 762 SDN-6.
The reason I ask is because I was planning on using this can on my pride and joy my LRB M25. This rifle cost a ton and has all GI parts that I don’t want to take any risks possibly damaging it.

Also OP did you have your bore checked for concentricity? I remember some people recommending having this done for the M14 to reduce the chance of baffle strikes.

There is a risk of bending your op rod if the gas system is too harsh. I had my adjustable gas plug set wrong (dialed the wrong way) and the extra gas popped the roller off my bolt. Could have been my roller, or could have been the extra gas from the suppressor. I don't hear of many problems with people who shoot them suppressed other than tuning issues with the adjustable plug.

3s1k [Member]

2/24/2012 12:05:58 AM

I did not check for concentricity, I know it was a risk but I trust Delta P design and their adapter. I had no issues with baffle strikes. DPD apapter is good to go.

leid [Team Member]

2/24/2012 11:53:54 AM

All it took was a couple 0.001s of carbon buildup on the barrel crown to cause this misalignment. LC M80 BALL would be shooting very nicely then a flier would spoil the group. A bullet would occasionally scrub against the end cap ever so slightly. Enhanced accuracy can be expected if you can get the bullet traveling right down the middle of the can. The old school method of checking alignment with a proper diameter polished steel dowel has revealed severe alignment problems that would have almost certainly destroyed the suppressor. Barrel threads designed for flash hiders/muzzle brakes are not always true.

M14: misalignment caused by slight carbon buildup on muzzle crown

Scrub Mark on End Cap after a day of testing LC M80 BALL & LC M118 LR. After correcting the alignment problem, bullets now pass thru the center of the end cap bore. This rifle routinely groups first quality LC M80 BALL @100yds. more accurately than first quality LC M118 LR. Prior to accuracy testing, I expected the complete opposite.

Cal .30 precision bolt rifle: severe misalignment caused by muzzle brake quality threading of barrel.

asm1 [Member]

2/25/2012 1:07:36 AM

where do I get one of them Rods ?
I use a mirror in the breach to eye ball the alignment at this time its the best i can do.

Thanks !

Originally Posted By leid:
All it took was a couple 0.001s of carbon buildup on the barrel crown to cause this misalignment. LC M80 BALL would be shooting very nicely then a flier would spoil the group. A bullet would occasionally scrub against the end cap ever so slightly. Enhanced accuracy can be expected if you can get the bullet traveling right down the middle of the can. The old school method of checking alignment with a proper diameter polished steel dowel has revealed severe alignment problems that would have almost certainly destroyed the suppressor. Barrel threads designed for flash hiders/muzzle brakes are not always true.

M14: misalignment caused by slight carbon buildup on muzzle crown

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/leid/suppressors/M14-1.jpg

Scrub Mark on End Cap after a day of testing LC M80 BALL & LC M118 LR. After correcting the alignment problem, bullets now pass thru the center of the end cap bore. This rifle routinely groups first quality LC M80 BALL @100yds. more accurately than first quality LC M118 LR. Prior to accuracy testing, I expected the complete opposite.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/leid/suppressors/M14bulletscrubmarks.jpg

Cal .30 precision bolt rifle: severe misalignment caused by muzzle brake quality threading of barrel.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/leid/suppressors/Weatherbyalignment.jpg

leid [Team Member]

2/25/2012 10:28:49 AM

With just a little practice, you can eye ball an AR15/M16/AR10/bolt rifle pretty damn close simply by looking thru the barrel & can from the breech end. But best to use a rod with M14/M1A/FNAR, etc. Check with your local industrial supply house or order on line from somebody like MSC industrial supply. 0.297" works on 30 Cal/7.62 & 0.219" works on .223/5.56MM. You may need a slightly smaller diameter for a new Krieger or other premium barrel with a tight bore. But the rod sizes above worked fine with my Kriegers after they were broken in. These rods are usually hardened. Best to taper the insertion end then polish them up with 600 grit wet or dry. Insert the rod into your barrel bore VERY slowly & gently.