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hartmtn  [Member]
1/7/2012 8:22:50 AM
What's the general consensus on the Norinco M-14S, I found one a guy has with about 300 rd threw it he got new in the early 90s. He wants $550 what you guys think.
SCRAMBLD  [Member]
1/7/2012 8:26:28 AM
buy it or I will

Jason
ab15  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 9:11:20 AM
Great price, buy it. I paid $400 for mine in 1993.
TheRealBluedog  [Member]
1/7/2012 9:26:02 AM
I'd buy it for that price, and I already have one.
Sailormilan2  [Member]
1/7/2012 9:36:47 AM
If the you don't, I will join the others and say that I will buy it. I have 3 Polytechs. Same gun, different name.
YoteSlayer69  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 10:46:29 AM
Those Norincos are absolute junk I would not touch that deal. I think you should tell me exactly were this crook is so I can rush over there and chastise him for trying to take advantage of you.
Sailormilan2  [Member]
1/7/2012 11:01:04 AM
Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
Those Norincos are absolute junk I would not touch that deal. I think you should tell me exactly were this crook is so I can rush over there and chastise him for trying to take advantage of you.


You will take it off the seller's hands to prevent him from trying to pass that "junk" on to other people, right?
dq15  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 11:02:14 AM
Gotta keep the children safe..
gman556  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 11:48:54 AM
Originally Posted By ab15:
Great price, buy it. I paid $400 for mine in 1993.


Got mine the very same year at a January gun show for the same price, and headspace is still not ready for the bolt conversion.
YoteSlayer69  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 1:12:32 PM
Originally Posted By Sailormilan2:
Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
Those Norincos are absolute junk I would not touch that deal. I think you should tell me exactly were this crook is so I can rush over there and chastise him for trying to take advantage of you.


You will take it off the seller's hands to prevent him from trying to pass that "junk" on to other people, right?


tankdriver  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 2:38:05 PM
Good deal, I just gave 750 for one at a Pawn shop.


PR361  [Member]
1/7/2012 10:33:29 PM
Bought mine in 1993, many thousands of rounds ago, I can still manage 3 moa, sometimes 2 moa with handloaded ammo , open sights, and me having a good day.

Still waiting to have the predicted headspace problem......

I'd buy it!
Black-Tiger  [Member]
1/7/2012 10:36:44 PM
Buy it and check the guide rod and bolt; probably replace both with USGI units.
Madcap72  [Team Member]
1/7/2012 10:45:30 PM
I bought one, loved it lots, shot it little.

Traded it for an AR-180 I've shot the piss out of.


I'd say that's MORE than a fair price!
runwhatyabrung  [Member]
1/8/2012 12:20:30 AM
Forged receiver, chrome lined bore & chamber... whats to think about? I have a Polytech M14-S with USGI and Sadlak upgrade parts all done by Smith Ent. Its probably worth about $1300 or more now from what I have been offered.
kaiserworks  [Member]
1/8/2012 2:13:00 AM
Originally Posted By runwhatyabrung:
Forged receiver, chrome lined bore & chamber... whats to think about? I have a Polytech M14-S with USGI and Sadlak upgrade parts all done by Smith Ent. Its probably worth about $1300 or more now from what I have been offered.


Yep. Send it to Smith Ent for an inspect, you may or may not have to replace the bolt, and you are gtg.

Poon  [Member]
1/8/2012 4:05:01 AM
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Buy it and check the guide rod and bolt; probably replace both with USGI units.


Why?

YoteSlayer69  [Team Member]
1/8/2012 6:50:11 AM
My Norinco had to have the bolt replaced













After 15k rounds went down range suddenly accuracy dropped off. Warbirds did a bolt swap and screwed a new barrel on welded the tab on the op rod. The only parts replaced where more for 922 than any wear
Black-Tiger  [Member]
1/8/2012 7:06:44 AM
Originally Posted By Poon:
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Buy it and check the guide rod and bolt; probably replace both with USGI units.


Why?



The headspace on the bolts tends to be long and some bolts are soft which can become dangerous over time. Same on the op rod, but I do not own one, so I just know this form reading many other people having issues with certain rifles, depending on theyear of mfg. I may be wrong on this, but is always good to take the rifle to a certified gunsmith to clear any and all doubts.
YoteSlayer69  [Team Member]
1/8/2012 7:40:19 AM
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Originally Posted By Poon:
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Buy it and check the guide rod and bolt; probably replace both with USGI units.


Why?



The headspace on the bolts tends to be long and some bolts are soft which can become dangerous over time. Same on the op rod, but I do not own one, so I just know this form reading many other people having issues with certain rifles, depending on theyear of mfg. I may be wrong on this, but is always good to take the rifle to a certified gunsmith to clear any and all doubts.


This is good advice. Trick is finding a good smith that knows the rifle. I can almost gurantee that your local one does not. Even if they no m1a's. Me I would buy it and send it to Warnirds. IMO he is the best. There are others do a little research before letting anyone inspect it.
hartmtn  [Member]
1/8/2012 7:49:56 AM
Thanks, have to make room in the safe
TheRealBluedog  [Member]
1/8/2012 11:47:19 AM
Well, you will find people who had head space problems, but I think the problem was blown out of proportion by people using Forster .308 gauges to check head space. The rifles are chambered in 7.62x51.

Mine is all USGI except for the barrel, bolt and receiver. It is a sub 2moa rifle with open sights and a crappy USGI trigger. I have no intention but to keep the bolt, , but I do intend to do something about the trigger, someday.

Of course, I've been meaning to get a trigger job on my Cetme for years, and have not. I have too many guns!
TheRealBluedog  [Member]
1/8/2012 12:29:04 PM
Here's mine. I Also have a USGI birch stock I trade off.



Poon  [Member]
1/8/2012 12:34:31 PM
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Originally Posted By Poon:
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Buy it and check the guide rod and bolt; probably replace both with USGI units.


Why?



The headspace on the bolts tends to be long and some bolts are soft which can become dangerous over time. Same on the op rod, but I do not own one, so I just know this form reading many other people having issues with certain rifles, depending on theyear of mfg. I may be wrong on this, but is always good to take the rifle to a certified gunsmith to clear any and all doubts.


The head space/bolt lug issues are well known, but I have never read anything negative concerning the forged 1-piece op rods.

The Chinese op rods are reported to be just as good as a forged 1-piece USGI op rod.

Sarge13  [Member]
1/9/2012 2:58:01 AM
That is one hell of a good deal! When you get it take it out to the range and shoot one (1) rd. Pick up the empty case and inspect it closely, if it shows no porblems shoot the hell out of it!!! Every 400 - 500 rds inspect another fired case. At some point - 10K rds? - you might have to do some work on it, but don't hold your breath.
I know of several M14/S rifles with between 10 & 20K rds thru a factory original rifle. I also know of 2 chicom M14 select fire rifles with close to 30K rds fired and they are also still factory original.
The LAST thing you want to do is to send it to some jack leg to be inspected! Guarentee they will tell you it has to have an $800 rebuild to be safe to shoot. I include ALL of those mentioned above!!! They make their living doing rebuilds so you will almost certainly NOT be told it is good to go without having anything done to it!!!
Sarge
Tim_the_enchanter  [Team Member]
1/10/2012 1:23:54 AM
Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Originally Posted By Poon:
Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:
Buy it and check the guide rod and bolt; probably replace both with USGI units.


Why?



The headspace on the bolts tends to be long and some bolts are soft which can become dangerous over time. Same on the op rod, but I do not own one, so I just know this form reading many other people having issues with certain rifles, depending on theyear of mfg. I may be wrong on this, but is always good to take the rifle to a certified gunsmith to clear any and all doubts.


This is good advice. Trick is finding a good smith that knows the rifle. I can almost gurantee that your local one does not. Even if they no m1a's. Me I would buy it and send it to Warnirds. IMO he is the best. There are others do a little research before letting anyone inspect it.


The bolt quality/lug engagement is debatable. The info about the op rod is absurd. The Chinese made an M14 op rod every bit as good as the best USGI op rod. Forged one piece unit on par with USGI TRW op rods.

WCG  [Member]
1/10/2012 4:36:49 AM
Originally Posted By Sarge13:
I know of several M14/S rifles with between 10 & 20K rds thru a factory original rifle. I also know of 2 chicom M14 select fire rifles with close to 30K rds fired and they are also still factory original.

Sarge








Originally Posted By Sarge13:
The LAST thing you want to do is to send it to some jack leg to be inspected! Guarentee they will tell you it has to have an $800 rebuild to be safe to shoot.

Sarge








Originally Posted By Sarge13:
I include ALL of those mentioned above!!! They make their living doing rebuilds so you will almost certainly NOT be told it is good to go without having anything done to it!!!
Sarge



You prove to be more of a troll than someone who gives anything of informational value.
Your statements are way off & you make accusations without knowing me & we all know you're just trolling here.
I've said it before, the customer chooses if they want a bolt conversion done.
99% of all Chinese rifles headspace between 1.642-1.645.
You need to take a long boat trip to China & don't come back.
Someone could get seriously hurt following your BS.





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