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two questions on a M1
1/3/2012 9:38:55 PM
how would one find out about any history a garand might have? other than just its build date
and how rare are the international harvester garands? i own a SA from 43', but think it would be cool to own a a tractor company
rifle
and how rare are the international harvester garands? i own a SA from 43', but think it would be cool to own a a tractor company
rifle
1/3/2012 11:17:16 PM
There are records of where guns were shipped, but where to find them I have no clue? Springfield made the most, then Winchester with Harvester and H&R the least since they only produced for Korea.
1/4/2012 6:56:54 AM
Originally Posted By P08:
There are records of where guns were shipped, but where to find them I have no clue? Springfield made the most, then Winchester with Harvester and H&R the least since they only produced for Korea.
There are records of where guns were shipped, but where to find them I have no clue? Springfield made the most, then Winchester with Harvester and H&R the least since they only produced for Korea.
No such records were kept
1/4/2012 8:10:08 AM
Originally Posted By M1G:
No such records were kept
Really? Since they did for 1911's I figured they would have for the M1's as well.Originally Posted By P08:
There are records of where guns were shipped, but where to find them I have no clue? Springfield made the most, then Winchester with Harvester and H&R the least since they only produced for Korea.
There are records of where guns were shipped, but where to find them I have no clue? Springfield made the most, then Winchester with Harvester and H&R the least since they only produced for Korea.
No such records were kept
1/4/2012 9:45:55 AM
Almost no such records exist for any military firearm. The military wants to know who has the gun now. Who had it three years ago is of no interest to them. There was a research service that tried to put a data base together (Springfield Research or some such) using unit records and whatever else they could find. But they never had more than a few thousand rifles and the data was very hit or miss. This question comes up with some regularity and the answer is there isn't anything out there.
1/4/2012 10:12:57 AM
IHC's are kind of hard to get and they cost a bit more for that reason.
The general claim is that a large percentage of the IHC M1's were given to Iran (Shah days) under the Milatary Assistance Program. Probably gone forever to us.
Funny thing is that the HRA's which had fairly small production numbers are CURRENTLY common as hell because we gave a large volume of them to Greece and they recently gave them back per the loan agreement. CMP has consistently had HRA's available in the last few years.
Prior to that I got lucky and picked up an HRA barreled action and built up my own HRA. Cost me more to do that than buying a CMP HRA service grade even with their price increase for this new year. HRA's were very well made, consider one of them.
The general claim is that a large percentage of the IHC M1's were given to Iran (Shah days) under the Milatary Assistance Program. Probably gone forever to us.
Funny thing is that the HRA's which had fairly small production numbers are CURRENTLY common as hell because we gave a large volume of them to Greece and they recently gave them back per the loan agreement. CMP has consistently had HRA's available in the last few years.
Prior to that I got lucky and picked up an HRA barreled action and built up my own HRA. Cost me more to do that than buying a CMP HRA service grade even with their price increase for this new year. HRA's were very well made, consider one of them.
1/4/2012 10:47:09 AM
well that kinda blows...this thing looks in decent shape, but definitely looks like it was issued...guess ill never know
1/5/2012 10:50:28 AM
springfield research service published a few books,
you may want to search a few forums, jouster.com comes to mind, and ask if anyone can research it for you
SRS still exists, there was a bit of a rift after Mallory passed, and the guy in charge now believes it should be a paid service now vs a free search
here's the latest webpages
http://springfieldresearchservice.com/
http://usmartialarmscollector.com/home
you may want to search a few forums, jouster.com comes to mind, and ask if anyone can research it for you
SRS still exists, there was a bit of a rift after Mallory passed, and the guy in charge now believes it should be a paid service now vs a free search
here's the latest webpages
http://springfieldresearchservice.com/
http://usmartialarmscollector.com/home
1/5/2012 12:01:51 PM
From what I have read Springfield Research is very incomplete and has inaccuracys
1/5/2012 7:18:31 PM
Several years ago there was a website that listed the units where batches of serial numbers were shipped after manufacturing- Camp Pendleton for example. Some extrapolated where each unit deployed around the shipping dates and made decent guesses about where the rifle may have been but they had no way of finding where an individual weapon served. That site has been down a long time though.
Jim
1/5/2012 10:43:36 PM
Originally Posted By staringback05:
how would one find out about any history a garand might have? other than just its build date
and how rare are the international harvester garands? i own a SA from 43', but think it would be cool to own a a tractor company
rifle
how would one find out about any history a garand might have? other than just its build date
and how rare are the international harvester garands? i own a SA from 43', but think it would be cool to own a a tractor company
rifle
If your SA is correct you could do an even swap with a correct IHC in similar condition. There was a CMP collector grade IHC that was sold on the cmp boards about a month or two ago. Went for 3k!
1/6/2012 7:42:03 AM
Originally Posted By pepperbelly:
Several years ago there was a website that listed the units where batches of serial numbers were shipped after manufacturing- Camp Pendleton for example. Some extrapolated where each unit deployed around the shipping dates and made decent guesses about where the rifle may have been but they had no way of finding where an individual weapon served. That site has been down a long time though.
Jim
Several years ago there was a website that listed the units where batches of serial numbers were shipped after manufacturing- Camp Pendleton for example. Some extrapolated where each unit deployed around the shipping dates and made decent guesses about where the rifle may have been but they had no way of finding where an individual weapon served. That site has been down a long time though.
Jim
That was The Springfield site I posted about above
1/6/2012 10:20:42 AM
You could ask for a SRS check over at jouster.com. Several members there may look it up for you.
1/9/2012 11:16:08 PM
one more thing...oil or grease? right now ive got it greased
1/10/2012 6:37:29 AM
grease
1/10/2012 8:33:22 AM
If it slides grease it. If it spins oil it.
I am on my iphone now but later I will post a link that shows the grease points on the M1.
I am on my iphone now but later I will post a link that shows the grease points on the M1.
1/10/2012 9:07:29 AM
1/10/2012 9:23:48 AM
Originally Posted By Vandy58:
If your SA is correct you could do an even swap with a correct IHC in similar condition.
If your SA is correct you could do an even swap with a correct IHC in similar condition.
Yeah, right!
In your dreams!
1/10/2012 9:33:01 AM
Originally Posted By Vandy58:
If your SA is correct you could do an even swap with a correct IHC in similar condition.
Originally Posted By staringback05:
how would one find out about any history a garand might have? other than just its build date
and how rare are the international harvester garands? i own a SA from 43', but think it would be cool to own a a tractor company
rifle
how would one find out about any history a garand might have? other than just its build date
and how rare are the international harvester garands? i own a SA from 43', but think it would be cool to own a a tractor company
rifle
If your SA is correct you could do an even swap with a correct IHC in similar condition.
I lol'd.
1/10/2012 9:51:03 AM
I have a Danish rebuilt and issued Springfield M1 that still has the paper in the stock channel listing the soldiers name and targeting information.
The gun is like new from rebuild so I guess the soldier either only targeted the rifle then it was returned to storage or he was a REMF who didn't use it much.
Where the rifle was and what it's story was up to that point is anyones guess.
It probably went to the Danes circa 1946-1950 and may have been used in WW2 or it may have gone over brand new from stores.
There is no way to know for sure, records on service rifles were not that precise.
The gun is like new from rebuild so I guess the soldier either only targeted the rifle then it was returned to storage or he was a REMF who didn't use it much.
Where the rifle was and what it's story was up to that point is anyones guess.
It probably went to the Danes circa 1946-1950 and may have been used in WW2 or it may have gone over brand new from stores.
There is no way to know for sure, records on service rifles were not that precise.
1/10/2012 10:09:11 PM
Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
Almost no such records exist for any military firearm. The military wants to know who has the gun now. Who had it three years ago is of no interest to them. There was a research service that tried to put a data base together (Springfield Research or some such) using unit records and whatever else they could find. But they never had more than a few thousand rifles and the data was very hit or miss. This question comes up with some regularity and the answer is there isn't anything out there.
Almost no such records exist for any military firearm. The military wants to know who has the gun now. Who had it three years ago is of no interest to them. There was a research service that tried to put a data base together (Springfield Research or some such) using unit records and whatever else they could find. But they never had more than a few thousand rifles and the data was very hit or miss. This question comes up with some regularity and the answer is there isn't anything out there.
You do get ancillary records to match up once in a while that cause the value of a gun to skyrocket.
The Guam Garands are a good example. A well-known dealer went to Guam and visited the local police dept, which had in inventory several M1 Garands with dated acquisition records indicating the specific USMC unit that transferred the guns. The Garands were beat to hell, but the dealer traded them out for AR15s, then sold them for huge amounts to collectors. Rarely do you see WWII guns with such provenance that are not in museums.
Most WWII firearms cannot be traced, as stated above.
1/11/2012 5:55:30 PM
The Garands were beat to hell
Not necassarily.
They definately are showing combat use and the fact that they lived on a South Pacific island for many years.
My Guam Garand is in one piece and still functions just fine!
Most of the 20 rifles were in less than spectacular shape. Several of them were still operational when repatriated. It's one of my favorites!
