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 Replica M1903A4 sniper rifles on AIM Surplus good deal?
cantgrowup  [Team Member]
9/11/2010 5:49:23 AM EDT
Wrong forum, but....... What do you guys think of these refurbished rifles offered on AIM Surplus for $999.95. I know squat about M1903s and I know these have replica scopes and aren't truly authentic. But as a look alike, how is the package? If I just wanted a look-alike WWII sniper Springfield, is this a decent deal? Is this description accurate in what they're trying to replicate? Is it worth a grand?

"US model M1903A4 Springfield bolt action 30.06 Rifles. These Rifles are built using original Remington-made World War II M1903A3 actions and turned-down bolts. These fine Rifles feature newly manufactured 4-groove barrels identical to the originals. Each receiver is carefully drilled and tapped using replicas of the original "Redfield" rings and mounts and an exact copy of the M73B1 scope, used on the 1st model M1903A4's. Each barreled action has the original military parkerized finish with polished blue stock furniture, again, identical to the originals. Includes a replica of the M1907 U.S. issued leather sling and OD Green canvas carrying case. "

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K1rodeoboater  [Team Member]
9/11/2010 7:50:51 AM EDT
eh...I'd say no....but compared to the price of a real 1903A4 yes
DrDeath  [Member]
9/11/2010 7:55:04 AM EDT
Looks bad ass...
dpfan  [Team Member]
9/21/2010 8:24:56 AM EDT
Here's a link to the manufacturer's web site - there are 3 reviews at the bottom of the page:

Do a search and there are a lot of user reviews out there - most who actually have one seem to like it. I'm somewhat interested in one myself.
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LARRYG  [Team Member]
9/21/2010 2:05:51 PM EDT
Why do they call it the "1903A4 Springfield" when the A4s were made on Remington A3s.
Jimi  [Member]
9/21/2010 2:35:41 PM EDT
I ordered one yesterday last one they had.For $1000 bucks you get a new barrel,stock and repro scope.Check prices for 03a3 on gun broker 600 +
I plan on shooting the 03a4 alot! Orig 03's you can shoot them but value will go down as the barrel and parts wear.The Gibbs rifle is a shooter!I cant wait to see and shoot it.Should be here fri.You have to decide what you want.Because some will say bad choice others good.Yes its a repro sniper but I dont want to spend $3000 on a shooter.It will shoot as good if not better than a real 03a4!It's your decision to make.I want to order last time they had them I waited too long sold out.I will post a report when I get range time fri-sat.
rockasons  [Member]
9/21/2010 4:30:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Why do they call it the "1903A4 Springfield" when the A4s were made on Remington A3s.

I think that it was designed by Springfield Armory, but built by other manufacturers. I'm sure someone will be along to give a definitive answer.
rockasons  [Member]
9/21/2010 4:33:47 PM EDT
I built a 1903a4 clone on a remington 1903a3 receiver that was previously drilled. I tracked down a lyman alaskan scope and had my smith complete the build. He also had an extra 1903a4 bolt since he is a gun/parts collector. It shoots 2" groups at 100 yards with crappy .30-06 ammo (can't remember the ammo manufacturer; it has a picture of African Game on the box).
LARRYG  [Team Member]
9/22/2010 5:18:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rockasons:
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Why do they call it the "1903A4 Springfield" when the A4s were made on Remington A3s.

I think that it was designed by Springfield Armory, but built by other manufacturers. I'm sure someone will be along to give a definitive answer.

Actually, it was not designed by Springfield. It was a Mauser copy and prior to WWI, we actually paid royalties to Mauser for the design.

People don't call Garands "Springfield", even though they made the majority of them. People specify which mfg of Garand they have.

Jimi  [Member]
9/26/2010 5:06:33 PM EDT
Picked up 03a4 clone fri.Rifle fit and finish looks great.Mostiy remington marked parts.There was no cartouches on stock or barrel. Have to call Gibbs and let them know about it.Went to range after I cleaned her.Port and hxp was all I had to shoot.After zero she shot 2 in groups at 100 not bad at all!
For the price its not bad at all.It is a nice shooter.I will be working on some loads for it this week.Optics are bad compared to todays glass. 60 yrs ago I dont think this was a bad scope though.Would I buy another one? Yes its fun to shoot!I looked this one over good can't see any weld marks anywhere.Even buy mag cut off no signs of welds!
Jimi  [Member]
9/27/2010 7:59:11 AM EDT
I just got off the phone with Gibbs about cartouches on rifle.They stopped using cartouches on rifles also they are building 10 more rifles then production stops!So if you want one better find it and buy it now!I was lucky mine has milled trigger group!I have to bid on the one on gb.
They also told me the barrel on my rifle is a criterion!!!That is the barrel they are using now.So if you got a Gibbs 03a4 with no cartouch on barrel it's a criterion.
bronco1  [Member]
9/29/2010 3:35:24 PM EDT
No one would argue that the 1903 Springfield did not benefit from previous designs. However, the reason that we paid had to pay Mauser royalties is secondary to the design of the charger clips used to load the rifle.
FlameRed  [Member]
9/30/2010 9:03:39 AM EDT
Sounds like a good deal to me.

I bought a regular Remington 03 from a guy but I failed to notice that someone had previously welded the barrel and someone a$$wipe drilled it. Was a dangerous gun and I was glad no one got injured when I first tried to shoot it.

The guy I bought it from eventually offered to make good on it but by that time I had sportorized it. With all the money I dumped into it I would have been far ahead of the game if I would have gone the AIM route instead. The only difference is that the guy that did mine put on a Kreiger barrel and the thing is super accurate so I am very pleased with it. But I probably would have been very happy with an accurate reproduction A3 out-of-the-box.
Saddler  [Team Member]
9/30/2010 9:33:35 AM EDT
Had reports from a few of my customers that the scopes Gibbs used/had made can suffer from wandering zero problems

That said - my original WW2 M1903A4 is far from soldier proof & everytime I use it I wonder why the Alaskan scope was not the standard instead of the M73B1 (could maybe explain why it was THE scope that was available in large enough numbers - as perhaps folk compared it to the Alaskan, bought the Alaskan & the M73 went back on the shelf)

I'd say - for $999 - BUY TWO!!

The few that have made it to the UK are selling for much more due to import costs, etc. The one I saw at Bisley last year was quite nice. From memory the actions were bought from Bremmer Arms in the UK once they'd gone belly up following their take over of Parker-Hale firm: seems they went out of business soon after.
As Bremmer in the UK they had released some nice looking M1903A3's - made from WW2 receivers and NOS assorted parts, new stocks, etc. They were nice but not cheap!!

Post pics & range reports as I'm keen to see how the puppy-A4's compare to the WW2 dog-face issued examples
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