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 What Year Did the US .Military Stop Using the M1 Carbine and Garand?
goodoleboy  [Team Member]
7/9/2009 10:56:42 PM EDT
What Year Did the US .Military Stop Using the M1 Carbine and Garand as a issue weapon, ive seen pics of US troops in Vietnam Troops using the M1 Carbine but Not any pics of word us the Garand in Vietnam..

Anyway have a genral year they stopped using these guns and what gun replaced each model?
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panzersergeant  [Life Member]
7/10/2009 1:33:38 AM EDT
fishngrits  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 2:17:46 AM EDT
I think the Guard and Reserves used them into the 60s and early 70s. I recall seeing video and photos from the Kent State incident, with those soldiers carrying Garands.
HellifIknow  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 2:38:19 AM EDT
Friend of mine went thru Army Basic in summer of 1962. He says they used the M-1 Garand.

The Garand did get used by the South Viets a lot. Same-same with the Carbine. Niether were standard issue for front line U.S. troops at that time but they were used in the field.
Scooter4736  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 3:18:42 AM EDT
My dad served in the 82nd from 1957 to 1960. He carried a BAR for a year, and the rest of the time an M1 rifle. He also told me on payday, he saw guys toting M3 sub-machineguns.
MVolkJ  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 4:07:19 AM EDT
The Navy kept the carbine in service all through Vietnam and into the 1970s. My IBM is a Navy carbine, and bears a 1962 refurbishment stamp (NOP-M-62, Naval Ordnance Plant, Macon, GA).

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TRW  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 5:26:08 AM EDT
Garand was used by some Guard units (ref: Kent State incident) up to the early 70's. Don't know when the Carbine disappeared but the Air Force was still using them on a limited basis in the mid to late 60's.
puskrat  [Life Member]
7/10/2009 5:49:34 AM EDT
"Quit using" or "replace"?

USAF used the carbine up to the 60's when they adopted the M16. The Army used the M14 in the early cold war, but Garands were still in service for training after they were replaced, and in reserve/guard units until very recently. They may still be.

The .mil doesn't ever seem to "quit using" anything. The 1911 was replaced in the 80s and is still used.
David14  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 6:57:19 AM EDT
Dad qualified with the M1 Carbine & the M14 during basic training (I forget if it was 1965 or '66). He had never handled a Garand until I got mine from the CMP.
pezboytate  [Member]
7/10/2009 6:57:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:

The M1 ad M1 Carbine would have started to be phased out in 1959 by the M14. It probably took years to outfit everyone with M14s. The same thing happened with the M14 in the mid 60s, the M16A1 in the mid 80s, and the M16A2 more recently.

Tim_the_enchanter  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 7:51:45 AM EDT
M1 rifles are still in service as of 2009.

littlejerry  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 10:37:57 AM EDT
I know a guy who claimed to have a Carbine in Vietnam.
raf  [Site Staff]
7/10/2009 11:06:02 AM EDT
I have a Garand , accquired through the (then) DCM, now CMP, that was completely arsenal refurbished, under US Navy contract, in 1965.
Now, it was never issued, nor used after re-furbing, but the Mil paid for it, so maybe that is a marker of sorts.

$350, IIRC, and I missed the previous, $265 price by a few months. Boy, was I pissed then. Those were the days....
ArmyOrdGuy  [Member]
7/10/2009 12:32:59 PM EDT
I was in Basic Training at Ft Dix, NJ in June 1963. My Basic Company and the one next to us had M1 Garands. Every other Basic Unit on post had M14 Rifles. Our arms room had M14's on hand for the cycle coming in after us.
ANGST  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 12:35:22 PM EDT
There is a pretty famous pic of an M1D in Viet-Nam somewhere.
M1G  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 1:21:13 PM EDT
Yes they are used in the very early years of Vietman
GI-45  [Team Member]
7/10/2009 4:55:05 PM EDT
M1 Garands were occasionally used in Vietnam by US troops. There are pics of US Army Special Forces and "Brown Water" Navy sailors using them, for example.

M1 and M2 Carbines, on the other hand, were everywhere.

Bottom line, their combat usage definitely did not end in 1957. I don't know if I could pin down an exact date, but I'd say mid-to-late 60s for M1 Garands, early 70s for M1/M2 Carbines. (Does not include Guard, training or ceremonial usage.)

Cool (early) pic of M1/M2 Carbine in Vietnam:

Ermac  [Member]
7/11/2009 2:01:37 PM EDT
It dosen't look like a WW2 or Korean War era troop.
GI-45  [Team Member]
7/11/2009 2:40:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fishngrits:
I recall seeing video and photos from the Kent State incident, with those soldiers carrying Garands.

tangeant  [Member]
7/11/2009 4:50:04 PM EDT
Garanda were issue weapons for some Guard/reserve units into the early 70's many went straight from Garands to M16's. Some units held M1D's into the late 80's.

Airforce didn't fully replace Garands and M2 carbine till early 70's also.

Navy kept Garands around longer as issue weapons than others...

Garands did stay around as Marksmanship weapons and for drill rifle, special purpose etc for much much longer but they aren't considered issued weapons...
jerrschmitt  [Member]
7/11/2009 5:13:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By littlejerry:
I know a guy who claimed to have a Carbine in Vietnam.

I did. Had an M1 carbine and traded it off for an M2 Carbine. That would have been around 1966. Lot of us Navy folks had Carbines. We didn't get M16's until late 60 early 70.
bradb  [Team Member]
7/11/2009 5:53:54 PM EDT
My father was with recon teams from both CCN and CCS at MACVSOG from 1969-1972. He had an M14 in basic and an XM-177E2 in Vietnam. He said most of the 'Yards carried XM's, but some carried M2 carbines and he saw a few Viet's at CCS that had garands
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