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 Difference between M1A, M1 Garand, and M14?
Rich219  [Member]
6/25/2009 4:39:04 AM
What are the differences between these 3 rifles? I know I want a Garand but I think I want to do an EBR type rifle also.
BigGeorgeC  [Team Member]
6/25/2009 6:38:44 AM
In the order you posted.....

















.... a member for 3 years and over 7000 posts?
Rich219  [Member]
6/25/2009 6:45:52 AM





What's the difference between 1 and 3? They look the same to me.

Yea 3 yrs and 7K posts. What can I say, I spend a lot of time in GD.
ANGST  [Team Member]
6/25/2009 6:50:36 AM
Originally Posted By Rich219:





What's the difference between 1 and 3? They look the same to me.

Yea 3 yrs and 7K posts. What can I say, I spend a lot of time in GD.




1) Is semi auto civilian built M-14. The Springfield Armory (tm) trademark name is M1A

number 3 is a USGI M-14 with a happy switch (select fire) These were built by Springfield (no "tm") among other contractors


Some other differences , Garand uses and internal 8 round magazine loaded via 8 round en-bloc clips. M1A/M14 use 20 round detachable box magazine. Garand is in .30-06 , M1A is in 7.62x51mm

Rich219  [Member]
6/25/2009 6:52:09 AM
I'm going to make a trip to OH and get a M1 Garand. Where is the best/cheapest place to get a M1A from and what should I expect to pay? I want to throw one of the Sage Ind. stocks on it.
ANGST  [Team Member]
6/25/2009 7:03:12 AM
Originally Posted By Rich219:
I'm going to make a trip to OH and get a M1 Garand. Where is the best/cheapest place to get a M1A from and what should I expect to pay? I want to throw one of the Sage Ind. stocks on it.


Best is probably something like a LRB reciever customer build by someone like Fulton Armory or other custom shop , I think they run in the $2000++ neighborhood.

Cheapest is if you can find is an old Norinco , no longer imported, from China. They will run in the $900 neighborhood though I have not priced them recently.

Best compromise is to find an older Springfield Armory (tm) M1A with USGI parts for sale. They will run in the 1200-1500 range.

If you absolutelt have to have one NOW. Get a new Springfield which are running in the 1200-2000 range depending on options.
Rich219  [Member]
6/25/2009 7:11:07 AM
How's the quality of the Norincos?
ANGST  [Team Member]
6/25/2009 7:23:36 AM
Originally Posted By Rich219:
How's the quality of the Norincos?


Some are good, some have headspace issues. The receivers are good. The ones with headspace issues can be fixed with a new barrel and bolt, but then the cost is really too high to justify not getting something better to begin with.
7zero1  [Team Member]
6/25/2009 7:37:52 AM
Originally Posted By ANGST:
Originally Posted By Rich219:






What's the difference between 1 and 3? They look the same to me.

Yea 3 yrs and 7K posts. What can I say, I spend a lot of time in GD.




1) Is semi auto civilian built M-14. The Springfield Armory (tm) trademark name is M1A

number 3 is a USGI M-14 with a happy switch (select fire) These were built by Springfield (no "tm") among other contractors


Some other differences , Garand uses and internal 8 round magazine loaded via 8 round en-bloc clips. M1A/M14 use 20 round detachable box magazine. Garand is in .30-06 , M1A is in 7.62x51mm



Sir, the pictured M1A also differs from the M14 due to lack of a bayonet lug. The pictured M1A in that configuration is a post '94 AWB manufacture. Rifles made before the ban generally have a USGI M14 flash suppressor complete with bayonet lug, but since the ban expiration SA has continued to make their rifles sans bayonet lug. HTH, 7zero1.
Milo5  [Member]
6/25/2009 10:57:31 AM
Garands can also be had chambered for the 7.62X51/.308
It was found that the full auto selector switch really serves no useful purpose on the M14 rifle and tends to waste ammunition rather than solve problems.

A bayonet lug and bayonet are becoming a thing of the past on all modern combat weapons.
The most modern versions of combat M14 rifles have no provision for mounting a bayonet and as far as I know, no one has complained so far.

SAGE produces an M1 Garand stock that is the equal of their M14 EBR stock.

I may yet buy one of the Californian legal versions for one of my Garands having become completely staisfied with my SAGE M14 EBR stock.
I have no need for a collapsing stock for my Garand rifle.
colyar  [Member]
6/26/2009 2:05:15 PM
Originally Posted By ANGST:
Originally Posted By Rich219:





What's the difference between 1 and 3? They look the same to me.

Yea 3 yrs and 7K posts. What can I say, I spend a lot of time in GD.




1) Is semi auto civilian built M-14. The Springfield Armory (tm) trademark name is M1A

number 3 is a USGI M-14 with a happy switch (select fire) These were built by Springfield (no "tm") among other contractors


Some other differences , Garand uses and internal 8 round magazine loaded via 8 round en-bloc clips. M1A/M14 use 20 round detachable box magazine. Garand is in .30-06 , M1A is in 7.62x51mm



Regarding calibers...

I know this is a horse that has been beat, but SA M1A's eat commercial .308 just fine. M14's do *not*. If I recall it is because .308 is higher pressure than 7.62 NATO.

Here's an e-mail from SA regarding some questions I had:
Originally Posted By SpringfieldArmory:
Hi Chris,

Thank you for your interest in Springfield Armory products.

We did use a standard sight on the Standard M1A’s but then later we started putting NM front sights on all the rifles just to eliminate having more than one type of front sight.

Your Rifle is a standard MA9102 with walnut stock and was manufactured in May of 2003.

Our M1A rifles are chambered for .308 Winchester Ammunition and can safely fire either .308 Winchester or 7.62X51mm NATO ammunition. When selecting ammunition you will want to use a bullet weight between 110 grains and 180 grains. And do not use Bulk or loose surplus ammunition. Use only ammunition that is in new sealed containers and that come from a NATO country.

If you have any other questions please give me a call at 1-800-680-6866.

Thank you,

Dealer Assistance and Response Team
Springfield Inc
420 West Main St
Geneseo, IL 61254
1-800-680-6866
Milo5  [Member]
6/26/2009 3:31:12 PM
M1A and the M14 will fire commercial ammunition in the grain weights listed just fine.
Don't buy ammunition that says 'Light Magnum', 'Grizzly Blaster', 'Extreme Power' or any such nonsense on the box as this ammunition is designed for use in bolt rifles only.

A 1-12" standard twist barrel will shoot the 110-165 grain ammunition best and a 1-10" twist barrel will perform best with 168-180 grain bullet weights.

I know somebody is going to jump in and say you CAN'T SHOOT COMMERCIAL ammo in these rifles, blah, blah, blah.
Bullshit.
Reread paragraph one.

I have been shooting commercial ammunition in my M1A and M1 rifles for twenty years with zero, count it, zero problems following the rules of paragraph one.

I do stick with Winchester ammunition for my rifles simply because it has performed with best results.
Favorite loads are the 150 grain Power Point in .308 and .30/06 for the Garands.
I do think the 150-165 grain Silvertips are a bit warmer than I care for in a Garand rifle and stick with the Power Points only.
165 Silvertip for the M1A .308 rifles for hunting and 168 grain Supreme Match Target black box for paper shooting.HTH
Milo5  [Member]
6/26/2009 3:34:21 PM
I forgot to add that I just recently acquired a Shuster adjustable gas lock screw for the M1 rifle and intend to do some testing with commercial ammunition up to 180 grains in the M1 Garand.
We shall see if this thing works out well.