Question about my first SBR?
I was Talking to a buddy about wanting a SBR. I said I wish I could send off the form before I spent alot of money and somehow I could have all that time to save up money for the rest of the gun. He said I can. He said the form is just for the lower reciever. So all I have to do is get a stripped lower, and send all the paper work in on that lower. Then after I got it back, I could build the rest of the gun. I would rather not go on just a buddy's advice. I'm looking for real world input. Also if this is true, can I go out and just buy a say 10" barreled upper after I get my form back. As in could I order one from say spikes tactical and have it shipped to me no problem? Thanks and I hope you can wade through all of my confusion. Thanks.
Your buddy is right. Door to door wait time on form 1 is aprx. 6 months. So, you could buy a striped lower, submit your form 1 and have about 6 months to save up for the rest of the rifle.
After you receive you stamp you can order a complete 10.5" upper and have it shipped directly to your door step.
And,
You could start the build. Although I suggest getting the lower engraved and installing the lpk before sending in the form, there would be nothing wrong with getting the form approved, saving the money for the engraving and getting that done, and then saving the money for the lpk and installing that and then the stock. Just DON"T get tempted to order the upper until you get your approved form back.
Of course you could get a pistol buffer tube and build an AR pistol and shot it while waiting on the Form and then just install the stock.
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Where on the lower? How big?
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Can you cite the NFA for this requirement?
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
Where on the lower? How big?
You can put it pretty much anywhere that is visible on the lower receiver exterior that doesn't require removing parts to see.
Common areas are on the side of the magwell, front of the magwell, in the trigger guard area (next to trigger, not on actual trigger guard), on the side of the receiver above the trigger pin.
The NFA requires the engraving to be a minimum of .003" deep.
Check out Ident Marking. They did my SBR engraving for $45. Their site also shows examples of where they can engrave.
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Can you cite the NFA for this requirement?
Page 93 left side of page is where its listed.
Under 479.102(a)(2)
Link
ATF's link isnt working for me found a link through guntrustlawyer.
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Can you cite the NFA for this requirement?
Honestly, I'm on my phone right now so I don't really feel like searching for all that. There are plenty of sticky topics on this in the SBR forum.
But if you, the individual or the trust, is "making" the SBR, you must engrave that name/city/state on the lower.
Manufacturer of the SBR must be on there. If you buy a complete SBR from a manufacturer (ex: Noveske) then the engraving is not required.
But since the OP is talking about adding a short barreled upper to a lower, he will be the one manufacturing the SBR (as an individual or trust) and so he is registering it with the ATF and he must have his info engraved on the lower.
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Can you cite the NFA for this requirement?
Straight from the BATFE regulations
MARKING REQUIREMENTS – NFA FIREARMS (27 CFR § 479.102)
Section 479.102 How must firearms be identified?
(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as
follows:
(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously
placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the
frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be
placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed,
and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For
firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the
engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a
minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and
Originally Posted By DCMoney:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Can you cite the NFA for this requirement?
Page 93 left side of page is where its listed.
Under 479.102(a)(2)
Link
ATF's link isnt working for me found a link through guntrustlawyer.
Thanks for the assist.
Thanks for all of your help guys. I am sure I will be back when I get my forms in the mail for help on filling it out
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By DCMoney:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By CTran555:
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Originally Posted By Johncalloway:
What do I has to get engraved on the lower?
Nothing, unless you have the SBR set up in a trust. If that the case than you would be required to engrave the trust name on the lower receiver.
Actually, you if you are filing as an individual, you need to have your name and your city and state engraved on the lower.
Can you cite the NFA for this requirement?
Page 93 left side of page is where its listed.
Under 479.102(a)(2)
Link
ATF's link isnt working for me found a link through guntrustlawyer.
Thanks for the assist.
Thanks...learn something new everyday.
I've never built a SBR under a individual transfer. All of mine are in a trust.
Thanks for all of your help guys. I am sure I will be back when I get my forms in the mail for help on filling it out
