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 Which rifle would you get in .338 Lapua?
pazzo  [Member]
12/14/2009 1:51:55 PM
Who makes the best rifle for this chambering?
gunner01  [Life Member]
12/14/2009 1:55:52 PM
PGW!

PGW Timberwolf
Skunkeye  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 2:04:43 PM
There is no "best", but I like the AI.
Rob01  [Moderator]
12/14/2009 2:07:26 PM
GA Precision will build you anything you want.
dogsplat  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 2:50:33 PM
The one with the thickest recoil pad.
ChrisGarrett  [Member]
12/14/2009 3:05:30 PM
I bought a TRG-42. Champagne taste on a beer budget.

I call her Rachel.



I like the Finns, they make great rifles. Christ, they more or less perfected the 338 LAPUA (Finns) Magnum!

Chris
50-140  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 3:44:39 PM
Since I already own a Sako TRG 22, my choice would be easy, a Sako TRG 42.
chevyrulz  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 3:56:41 PM
yup, Sako for the win
koz1  [Member]
12/14/2009 4:15:31 PM
Sako TRG-42
Desert Tactical SRS
Accuracy Int
Remington MSR
McMillan
Any good good builder using - Badger Ord, Surgeon, Lawton, Stiller (Actions) and Krieger, Hart, barrels.
GA Precision, Patriot rifles, Van Dyke, Lousiana Precision rifles, Terry Cross (KMW) and there are many others.
newguy2k3  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 8:14:51 PM
I'm saving for a DTA SRS with 338lm and some other conversions one of these days when the economy is better. You can't beat a compact, accurate, switch caliber rifle.

But really you can't go wrong with any of the popular ones. TRGs, AIs, GAP ,etc.
Vinnie  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 8:21:39 PM
No love for the Barrett 98Bravo?
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 9:15:30 PM
Was going to order a DTA this week but couldn't get comfortable with the bullpup idea. So now I gotta find out if 3.7" AWSMs are going to be available or are they just going to make the AX. If the latter, I will just get a Surgeon XL in an AICS. I've also decided on a 23" barrel.
Messiah  [Team Member]
12/14/2009 9:24:06 PM
Originally Posted By Vinnie:
No love for the Barrett 98Bravo?


Played with one. I would pass for the amount of money Barrett wants for it. Also Barrett isn't known to build the most accurate rifles either and it showed.
xnightsmokex  [Member]
12/14/2009 9:51:19 PM
Originally Posted By Messiah:
Originally Posted By Vinnie:
No love for the Barrett 98Bravo?


Played with one. I would pass for the amount of money Barrett wants for it. Also Barrett isn't known to build the most accurate rifles either and it showed.


+1 its a sexy looking piece, but for over 4 grand, I think I could do better.
Sniper3142  [Member]
12/15/2009 1:52:25 AM
My first choice for a 338LM would be an Accuracy International.

The second choice would be a Badger Ordnance M2008 in an AICS, built by GAP.

Third would be a tie between the PGW Timberwolf and a TRG-42.

DSZM4  [Member]
12/15/2009 9:49:58 AM
How about a AR30?
SSG3K  [Member]
12/15/2009 12:26:04 PM
AWSM and Badger Ordnance 338's



Rich
LoneWolfUSMC  [Member]
12/15/2009 4:06:32 PM
Rich, you suck in so many ways.

Nice pair. One of these days I will be able to afford a AIAW.
Shadow_Warrior  [Member]
12/16/2009 5:11:54 PM
I have owned .338 Lapua in GAP, Timberwolf, and Surgeon (my buddy has the Barret M98).

The Surgeon and Timberwolf are the best with Surgeon a much better price tag. Accuracy out of both were around solid 5/8 MOA.
The GAP was a solid 3/4 MOA rifle built around a Remington 700 action.
The Barret is very light and recoil is very mild but in prone position I find it hard to find my Natural Point of Aim due to the stock design. We have tried a few loads but nothing under MOA yet.
nmmi9100  [Team Member]
12/16/2009 6:46:21 PM
My AR-30 shoots consistent sub-0.5 MOA 5-shot groups at 100 yards. It's shot lots of groups under a 1/2 inch at 100 and a few of 0.33-0.34" at the same range, although the 1/3" groups seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

I've not shot it alot at long range but at 1000 yards I've been able to get three 9 and 10-ring cold bore hits in three attempts at NRA Whittington in Raton. Also killed a pronghorn with one shot at 617 yards in September.

I'm really happy with the gun. Got mine for $1200 slightly used. My load is a 300 SMK, 89.0 gr RL-25, Fed 215M primer, Lapua brass that's annealed every firing. Other than trimming every firing and the anneal, no special case prep.

It's a lot of gun for under $2K new, if you can find one. The magazine is not the greatest. The bolt knob placement sucks, and I'd like it if the barrel was heavier but for what you pay for, it's hard to fault the AR-30. It shoots way better than it's price would suggest. ETA: My desire for a heavier barrel would be to keep it accurate for more consecutive shots. From cold bore, firing fairly rapidly for a 5-round group, at 1000 yards, my gun will thow the 3rd round 1/2 MOA high and the 4th & 5th rounds about 1 MOA high, I think due to barrel whip. Next barrel will be a heavier Krieger. That factory Shilen is a pencil.
Mine's got a ghetto Leupold Mark 4 8.5-25x50mm on it.

-David
Edgewood, NM

RayDog  [Member]
12/16/2009 11:51:20 PM
I have 2 TRG 42s here at the house. Both will shoot .25 MOA if you can hold it.
I've put 5 into less than 2" at 1k and 5 into 3.5" at 1650 yards.

I shoot with Zak Smith a lot so I shoot his AI 338 often. It is a very good rifle also. Zak and I don't go out shooting groups unless we are testing rounds but either rifle can get you first round hits at 1500 plus if you can

I've been testing a new short action from Big Horn Arms in 260 . It will be my match gun next year. It is bad ass. They are working on a long action now and I can't wait to get one from them for testing. The Badger action is also very nice. The Surgeon that Preston kicks out is very nice too. There are a lot of good choices out there. It comes down to the nut behind the trigger
nmmi9100  [Team Member]
12/17/2009 12:09:25 PM
Originally Posted By RayDog:
I have 2 TRG 42s here at the house. Both will shoot .25 MOA if you can hold it.
I've put 5 into less than 2" at 1k and 5 into 3.5" at 1650 yards.


So you are telling me that you've shot a sub-0.2 MOA 1000-yard group

AND

a 0.2 MOA 1650 yard-group?

Anyone that buys that at face value hasn't shot much at 1000 yards+. The 1000-yard claim is possible, but not likely. The 0.938-mile group claim is not possible.

-David
Edgewood, NM

Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
12/17/2009 8:03:33 PM
I have a friend who shot a 4.4" group at 1,000M. Sometimes it happens.

Rob01  [Moderator]
12/17/2009 8:35:26 PM
I'd give Ray the benefit of the doubt. He's not an internet BS artist.
Skunkeye  [Team Member]
12/17/2009 8:56:23 PM
Not sure I've met RayDog, but I've read about some of his exploits in Zak's writings I believe. I have shot with Zak at a couple ITRC's. I doubt those groups can be produced regularly and on demand, but I do not doubt they were done, and they are definitely not impossible.
Hanz  [Team Member]
12/17/2009 9:01:25 PM
Originally Posted By 50-140:
Since I already own a Sako TRG 22, my choice would be easy, a Sako TRG 42.


+1
nmmi9100  [Team Member]
12/17/2009 9:58:41 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I have a friend who shot a 4.4" group at 1,000M. Sometimes it happens.


Yep, I know a good handful of folks (say 7 or 8) that have done that...fellow FCSA competitors. Witnessed a 1.95" group (new record) at Whittington this past summer at the Nationals match, and with a 50 BMG, which typically are not that accurate, compared to smaller calibers. It does happen. But sub 2" 1000-yard groups are really something and are rare....amazing how sub 1/2 MOA 1000-yard groups that pop up on AR15.com.

Originally Posted By Skunkeye:
Not sure I've met RayDog, but I've read about some of his exploits in Zak's writings I believe. I have shot with Zak at a couple ITRC's. I doubt those groups can be produced regularly and on demand, but I do not doubt they were done, and they are definitely not impossible.


I'm very skeptical of a 0.2 MOA 1650 yard 5-shot group. Really skeptical, regardless of who allegedly made the shot.

To have conditions that consistent, with rounds fired that quickly, and any rifle be consistent enough to shoot sub 1/4 MOA at 0.94 miles is just more than I can swallow.

I really find it amazing how well folks can shoot at distance....on the internet, anyway.

-David
Edgewood, NM
greentimber  [Member]
12/18/2009 2:16:10 AM


Barrett 98B

I've shot many, many sub-MOA groups with several of these. In this pic I'm dinging steel out to 2018 yards with Black Hills 300gr.


I am biased, though....
shrapmagnet  [Member]
12/21/2009 4:29:15 PM
Surgeon
rugerdog  [Team Member]
12/21/2009 8:44:01 PM
I have seen truly magical things happen with the .338 and most of them were Sako made.
Rob01  [Moderator]
12/21/2009 8:54:37 PM
GA Precision has some .338s ready to go today

http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-rifle-ready-to-ship.html
CouncilOfDave  [Team Member]
12/22/2009 9:00:39 AM
I swear, you guys are going to be the end of my financial security.

anon  [Member]
12/22/2009 10:49:11 AM
Two pages and no one has mentioned Blaser Tac-II. Yes, it's expensive. Yes, it's a little space age looking and not the best for dragging through bush. Yes, it's extremely accurate and literally bullet proof. In the Socom test, they hammered two bullets into the barrel and fired a round. All three bullets left the barrel, and it kept on shooting .5 moa groups. And yes, it just might win the SOCOM contract with its new supressor if five round capacity is defined as four in the magazine and one in the chamber.
ChrisGarrett  [Member]
12/22/2009 2:29:35 PM
Originally Posted By anon:
Two pages and no one has mentioned Blaser Tac-II. Yes, it's expensive. Yes, it's a little space age looking and not the best for dragging through bush. Yes, it's extremely accurate and literally bullet proof. In the Socom test, they hammered two bullets into the barrel and fired a round. All three bullets left the barrel, and it kept on shooting .5 moa groups. And yes, it just might win the SOCOM contract with its new supressor if five round capacity is defined as four in the magazine and one in the chamber.


Was this before, or after, they fixed the issue with the 'bolt launching back into the shooter's face' problem?

I'd have to see some documentation on this 'test' where two bullets are hammered into a bore and a live round fired down the tube with no barrel bulge or shrapnel flying all over the place and then the rifle continuing to shoot its typical half moa.

I don't think Blaser is using any 'super steel' in their barrels and doing the above should cause catastrophic problems, even setting aside the fact that it continued to shoot as a new weapon.

Chris

Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
12/22/2009 4:36:24 PM
The only documented case of that was a guy who used a .300 WM on top of pistol powder, something like 13 times before the action failed and he lost his eye.

Are you over on the 'Hide too?
rundm  [Member]
12/22/2009 8:16:21 PM
Now that is just pitiful.
ChrisGarrett  [Member]
12/22/2009 10:44:47 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The only documented case of that was a guy who used a .300 WM on top of pistol powder, something like 13 times before the action failed and he lost his eye.

Are you over on the 'Hide too?


I think LowLight has had the Blaser rifles unlock on him in the past. I realize that the plastic locking 'washer' has been replaced/redesigned, so it's not an issue now. I was mostly intrigued by the claim that two bullets were hammered into the bore and a cartridge fired down that obstructed bore with nary a problem.

I hang out mostly on the Reloading and Beyond 1k Yds sections over there.

Take care, Chris

Blackfire  [Member]
12/23/2009 1:11:23 AM
I've shot the Accuracy International AW338, the Sako TRG-42, The Windrunnner .338, and the Desert Tactical bullpup. All fine rifles. If you are looking for something Uber-tacticool go with the Desert Tactical rifle with all the 1913 rail goodness. If you're on a budget the Sako will be your best bet, and all be it an EXCELLENT rifle the is equally as good as the others. If you want your gun buddies to be really jealous get the AW338. If you want something very different and unique then the EDM Windrunner is your best bet.

All four are top notch rifles and each has something unique and different to offer with accuracy that is just about equal to eachother.
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
12/23/2009 11:34:40 AM
Originally Posted By ChrisGarrett:
I was mostly intrigued by the claim that two bullets were hammered into the bore and a cartridge fired down that obstructed bore with nary a problem.


Pistols can do that. Rifles cannot.

But I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a Blaser.
die-tryin  [Team Member]
2/11/2010 12:42:17 PM
tag
mickey223  [Team Member]
2/11/2010 12:52:05 PM
My next pruchase will be the Savage 110BA in 338LM

stone76245  [Member]
2/11/2010 1:20:38 PM
Originally Posted By mickey223:
My next pruchase will be the Savage 110BA in 338LM

http://www.savagearms.com/images/firearms/finder/big/110ba.png


Nice and it comes with a 1in9" twist. That would handle 300gr and more if there is a heavier bullet in 338.
bullet-cooker  [Team Member]
2/11/2010 11:59:59 PM
My next big purchase will be a Badger Ordnance 338...
Britt-dog  [Member]
2/12/2010 1:15:38 AM
A friend of mine has the Armalite, seems like a nice rifle. I've put about a dozen rounds through it at 100&200 it was sub moa.
He has shown me groups he claims are 1/2" moa @ 400. I'd like to play with it at 500-1000.
mtechgunman  [Team Member]
2/12/2010 2:24:07 AM
Disclaimer: I have approximately zero experience with ANY .338 Lapua rifle.


If I were to buy one today, I'd be buying the Sako. You seem to get pretty good bang for your buck, so to say. You can get them with 1/10 Twist rates now too.

Remington now makes one that comes with a DBM for around a grand. They look like they are fairly solid rifles, but will probably need a stock transplant.
BWood  [Team Member]
2/16/2010 7:37:35 PM
Another vote for the Sako TRG-42. I have owned mine since shortly after they first arrived here. The round truly is amazing.

I have to laugh though at some of the comments...of champaign taste...beer budget when it comes to the TRG-42. With all the bells and whistles....including glass that will handle the capabilities of the .338 Lapua Magnum...you are quickly approaching $5000.

I bought my TRG-42 for $1900. New in the box. Add another $400 for the Sako 3 ring mount. Add another $400 for the bipod. Add another $150 for a spare mag. Add another $1200 for glass. Add another $40 for mirage band. So my beer budget is about $4000+ NOT counting ammo. Ammo is about $5 a round now....so I figure add another $2000 to my beer budget.

Damn I have excellent taste in beers

aolspartsman  [Team Member]
2/16/2010 9:58:13 PM
I owned one of the first Armalite AR-30 rifles in 338 Lapua. Great shooter, not very sexy but the only time I had it at the range it shot a nice tight 1/2 100 yard group.
Never shot it much because I bought a Blaser LRS in 338 while waiting for the Armalite. I shot several 300 yard 5 round groups that were under 1/2 inch with Lapua 250g loads. The rifle was great but I sold both of them because I did not have a range to shoot at that was over 300 yards. Kind of like running a 427 Cobra on a go cart track.
You really need some room to enjoy the benefits of a 338 lapua. At $5 a pop shooting a 338 Lapua under 300 yards doesn't make much financial sense.
I still have a Sako TRG-S , it is a bruiser. Not a tactical rifle but it will take down anything that walks.
My next 338 wil be a custom build on a Surgeon action. 24" Rock 5R barrel, McMillan stock, Schmidt & Bender glass.
Just waiting on my stimulus check
kpu1127  [Team Member]
2/17/2010 4:48:02 PM
Originally Posted By BWood:
Another vote for the Sako TRG-42. I have owned mine since shortly after they first arrived here. The round truly is amazing.

I have to laugh though at some of the comments...of champaign taste...beer budget when it comes to the TRG-42. With all the bells and whistles....including glass that will handle the capabilities of the .338 Lapua Magnum...you are quickly approaching $5000.

I bought my TRG-42 for $1900. New in the box. Add another $400 for the Sako 3 ring mount. Add another $400 for the bipod. Add another $150 for a spare mag. Add another $1200 for glass. Add another $40 for mirage band. So my beer budget is about $4000+ NOT counting ammo. Ammo is about $5 a round now....so I figure add another $2000 to my beer budget.

Damn I have excellent taste in beers



Um....Based on what I see, the TRG-42 runs just south of $4K new (w/o optics). I think this is where the "champagne taste" comment comes from. If you got yours for $1900, then you got a hell of a deal. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places.
pcsutton  [Team Member]
2/17/2010 8:25:08 PM

Originally Posted By Rob01:
GA Precision will build you anything you want.


...and extremely well!!!
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
2/17/2010 8:28:05 PM
There are some great deals on used AW-SMs on the Hide right now. I'd get one if I weren't broke.
shrapmagnet  [Member]
2/17/2010 9:04:50 PM
Partial to surgeon- assuming $ isn't a factor