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 GAP 6.5 Creedmoor rifle is in
Rob01  [Moderator]
7/17/2008 12:32:54 PM EST
Well the brown clad Santa stopped by a little while ago and delivered my new 6.5 Creedmoor rifle from GA Precision. Specs are:
GAP Templar receiver
28" Kreiger MTU contour 8" twist barrel
Manners T3 stock
Badger DBM
Weight as shown 17lbs

A big thanks to George, Moon and Nick at GAP for all their help and hard work in getting the rifle out to me. Also thanks to Hornady for providing the barrel and Tom Manners for getting the stock done in a timely fashion. Unfortunately I can't get to the range today and have to work tomorrow but Saturday will be the day. My team mate Tony's rifle came in today also so hopefully I can get some pics of his up here too as it is a little different becasue it's built on a Surgeon action, Manners T4A stock and has a Surefire break for his can.

She isn't flashy but she's meant for business not looks. As some know I love the HTG stocks but when Manners came out with the T3 which has their MCS-T rear end and a forend like the T2 I figured I'd try it out and I'm glad I did. The stock feels great in the hands and with the higher comb, compared to the HTG, it doesn't need any padding to be usable with 1" height rings. If you like the basic style rear end but wanted more up front then try the T3 on your next build or stock swap.







Here's some pics of Tony's rifle he put up at the Hide. His specs are:
Surgeon SA
28" Kreiger MTU contour 8" twist barrel
Manners T4A stock (gota love the KMW checkpiece)
Badger DBM
Surefire magnum Brake
Harris bipod with POD claws from Phoenix Tactical







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ALASKANFIRE  [Team Member]
7/17/2008 12:42:13 PM EST
Both sticks look great

Look forward to a range report
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
7/17/2008 12:47:02 PM EST
Great rig for F Class.

Guy I know has a 6.5 Creedmore DPMS he uses for high power. He really like the round.
Rob01  [Moderator]
7/17/2008 2:00:20 PM EST
No F Class for those rigs. They will be hitting sniper comps starting with the Reade Range match the first weekend in August. Only 1" more barrel than my .243 so it should handle just as well.

Range report will come soon.
Jammer1  [Member]
7/17/2008 3:26:43 PM EST
Killer rigs man, cant wait to hear the range results!
dropd57  [Member]
7/17/2008 5:12:07 PM EST
Nice rig Rob01, where are you going Saturday to shoot?
Hanz  [Team Member]
7/17/2008 5:14:41 PM EST
Best of luck with your new rig. It looks great!
Riflemanusmc  [Team Member]
7/17/2008 6:18:47 PM EST
Nice stick Brother..............
Semper Fi
Rob01  [Moderator]
7/18/2008 1:27:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By dropd57:
Nice rig Rob01, where are you going Saturday to shoot?


Thanks all. Drop I'm going to the Niantic Sportsman's Club in East Lyme. A few other shooters from CT are going as well. Drop me an IM if you want to go and I'll get you the address so you can drop it in your GPS or mapquest. We're meeting at 10am.
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
7/18/2008 7:33:27 PM EST
good times... i'm curious if you have an opinion on barrel length... seems to be a trend with folks to assume 18" is as good as 28"... my chronograph says otherwise, although it can be slight... granted, pooch chamberings probably aren't a biggy, but more performance based chamberings with double base and/or progressive powders should be able to utilize extra stick length.

not that i'd like to see you do it, but i'd certainly be interested in the opinions of you and those at some of these comps in regards to barrel length. the LTRs have their place, but not in my shooting circles.

Rob01  [Moderator]
7/19/2008 3:16:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By septic-tank13:
good times... i'm curious if you have an opinion on barrel length... seems to be a trend with folks to assume 18" is as good as 28"... my chronograph says otherwise, although it can be slight... granted, pooch chamberings probably aren't a biggy, but more performance based chamberings with double base and/or progressive powders should be able to utilize extra stick length.

not that i'd like to see you do it, but i'd certainly be interested in the opinions of you and those at some of these comps in regards to barrel length. the LTRs have their place, but not in my shooting circles.



St, we went with 28" because that is the barrel length Hornady had tested thier factory ammo at so we wanted them to perform as stated. Also the reason we went with the same 8 twist Kreigers.

The whole barrel length discussion is too generalized I believe. You can't talk about longer or shorter is better and not worry about caliber, bullet and powder. All effect different on different barrel lengths. You might not get alot of difference cutting back a 175 .308 with a fast powder from 24" to 20" but with a different cartridge with a slower burn rate and heavier bullet for the caliber you might lose hundreds of FPS.

28" is about my max length as far as barrels go just for portability stand point. My .243 had a 27" barrel and it felt fine for me to lug around comps but I'm a bigger guy. Never had any trouble going through the O course at Rifles Only. That is another reason why i went with 28" as I don't see the extra 1" making a difference. That said my .308 has a 22" barrel and when i get it rebarreled I will probably go shorter in the 20" range as goinf from 24" to 22" only lost me about 15fps. Thsat said if I cut the 6.5 down to 20" I think I would be losing alot of FPS. I have heard the 24" DPMS barrels are about 150fps slower than factory spec with the factory ammo compared to the 28" barrels so you can see wherer 20" would be a bad thing with that cartridge as you want to keep your velocities up to get the full ballistic advantage.
charliehorse794  [Member]
7/19/2008 4:39:08 AM EST
Nice rifles, very impressive. I know why you went with the Manners stocks, because they are top notch. I have the Manners T4A also and I don't see anything else out there that can compete with it. Anyway, great looking sticks and look forward to seeing what they can do.
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
7/19/2008 4:48:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rob01:

Originally Posted By septic-tank13:
good times... i'm curious if you have an opinion on barrel length... seems to be a trend with folks to assume 18" is as good as 28"... my chronograph says otherwise, although it can be slight... granted, pooch chamberings probably aren't a biggy, but more performance based chamberings with double base and/or progressive powders should be able to utilize extra stick length.

not that i'd like to see you do it, but i'd certainly be interested in the opinions of you and those at some of these comps in regards to barrel length. the LTRs have their place, but not in my shooting circles.



St, we went with 28" because that is the barrel length Hornady had tested thier factory ammo at so we wanted them to perform as stated. Also the reason we went with the same 8 twist Kreigers.

The whole barrel length discussion is too generalized I believe. You can't talk about longer or shorter is better and not worry about caliber, bullet and powder. All effect different on different barrel lengths. You might not get alot of difference cutting back a 175 .308 with a fast powder from 24" to 20" but with a different cartridge with a slower burn rate and heavier bullet for the caliber you might lose hundreds of FPS.

28" is about my max length as far as barrels go just for portability stand point. My .243 had a 27" barrel and it felt fine for me to lug around comps but I'm a bigger guy. Never had any trouble going through the O course at Rifles Only. That is another reason why i went with 28" as I don't see the extra 1" making a difference. That said my .308 has a 22" barrel and when i get it rebarreled I will probably go shorter in the 20" range as goinf from 24" to 22" only lost me about 15fps. Thsat said if I cut the 6.5 down to 20" I think I would be losing alot of FPS. I have heard the 24" DPMS barrels are about 150fps slower than factory spec with the factory ammo compared to the 28" barrels so you can see wherer 20" would be a bad thing with that cartridge as you want to keep your velocities up to get the full ballistic advantage.


agreed. when the barrel is scorched from this thing or you're ready to rebarrel is it possible to lop it off 8" and retest the speed for shits and giggles? i know that isn't the best way to do it, but if you're game it might be kind of neat to know a bit more. i'm especially curious since i'm building a 260. my new 7WSM is wearing a 27" brux barrel and i have high hopes for it. the jury is out on just how much length is wise for a 260, but i'm thinking 26" or a bit more will be fine. maybe not. i can always cut it off.
Rob01  [Moderator]
7/21/2008 8:50:47 AM EST
Finally made it to the range today with some 140s and 120s to get some grouping done. For factory ammo it shot pretty good. I can't wait to start loading for it to squeeze every bit of accuracy out of it.
5 shot with the 140 AMAX at 100. Always have to pull one ;)

3 shot with the 120 AMAX at 100

10 shot group with the 120s at 200 yards the 140s were a hair larger for their 10 shot group. There was about a 5-8mph 9 to 3 o'clock wind blowing.
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
7/21/2008 10:51:21 AM EST
Some 6.5 Creedmoor videos.

youtube.com/watch?v=QDtu_sM7Pow

youtube.com/watch?v=yPmdeXFYweo

Rob01  [Moderator]
9/12/2008 4:07:57 AM EST
I finally got to load up some 6.5 Creedmoor rounds. I used the 140 AMAX and loaded 42, 42.5 and 43grns of H4350. Got the following results:
42grns- Av 2817, ES 23, SD6
42.5grns Av 2831, ES 18, SD 5
43grns- Av 2870, ES 19, SD 5

All loads were right around 1/2 MOA with the 42 and 43s getting some .3" 5 shot groups at 100. I plan to test them this week at 300 yards. No pressure signs at all on any of the loads.
Hanz  [Team Member]
9/12/2008 4:15:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rob01:
I finally got to load up some 6.5 Creedmoor rounds. I used the 140 AMAX and loaded 42, 42.5 and 43grns of H4350. Got the following results:
42grns- Av 2817, ES 23, SD6
42.5grns Av 2831, ES 18, SD 5
43grns- Av 2870, ES 19, SD 5

All loads were right around 1/2 MOA with the 42 and 43s getting some .3" 5 shot groups at 100. I plan to test them this week at 300 yards. No pressure signs at all on any of the loads.


Excellent!!! I've been looking into the Creedmoor and I think you've made a wise choice. I'm glad you're getting great results.
lucky_13  [Team Member]
9/12/2008 5:38:58 AM EST
Is brass available yet? If not, anyone know when it is supposed to be?
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
9/12/2008 6:06:38 AM EST
www.6mmbr.com/reloder17.html
Rob01  [Moderator]
9/12/2008 10:12:33 AM EST
Brass is available through Creedmoor Sports.

I know about the RL17 but I like Hodgdon powders because they are very temp insensitive and I need that. I might try some RL17 when it becomes available locally but I'm not in a rush.
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
10/28/2008 2:17:58 PM EST
well, i'm struggling with what to build on my new badger action. i'm convinced i'd like to run the 6.5mm, so i really have come down to the 260, 6.5x47, and the creedmoor...

although i dig the lapua brass, the performance is a bit shy on the x47, so i threw it out. i know the rem brass started out kind of half ass, so i question it in the 260. plus, rem brass has never been one of my favorites. the creedmoor was purpose built for what i'd like to do, but i'm not sold yet.

basically i'm seriously considering the 260 and the creed... have you seen a genuine ballistic advantage with the creed over the 260? also, how does the brass stack up from hornady?

i'm trying to balance out the prices and availability as well.
SORT308  [Member]
10/29/2008 2:42:24 PM EST
I'm jealous! Both rifles look great.
Wheres-Waldo  [Team Member]
10/29/2008 3:04:17 PM EST
Sepyic, I'm in a similar situation, trying to pick the primo denero 6.5mm cartridge.

The only replies Ive heard here on Hornady brass is that its good to go, some in the reloading forum prefer it. I havent seen Hornady offering brass seperate from loaded ammo yet though.
Rob01  [Team Member]
10/29/2008 3:17:02 PM EST
Yes Hornady is selling brass seperate from the loaded ammo. Here is a link to Creedmoor Sports who has everything you'll need for the 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 Creedmoor page

ST, the Hornady brass is very good. I've shot the 140s at 2870fps with no pressure signs and the primer pockets are still tight. I could probably hit 2900fps without a problem but it shoots just great a little slower. The 6.5 Creedmoor loaded ammo is only at about 57K psi and can go up about another 5k so there is room to push it a bit. Also i ahve been told due to the longer neck and shoulder angle it will give you better barrel life than the .260. Only time will tell on that.

It's a very accurate cartridge with basically the same ballistics as the .260 but it is getting alot of support from the factory so i don't see it going anywhere. The Hornady die sets are great also as they give .002" neck tension which is perfect. Give it a try. I think you will be happy.
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
10/29/2008 3:51:50 PM EST
fair enough. the creed it is...
Wheres-Waldo  [Team Member]
11/1/2008 12:47:05 PM EST
Hey Rob01, have you planned on an extended range report with the 6.5?

Im kind of eager to see what a tuned load will do in a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Also, Septic, your building a bolt action 6.5, or atleast planning on it, what length barrel and twist rate had you concidered?

I ask because DPMS only offers their 6.5 with a 24" 1:7.5".....which will cetainly handle those 140's but will give up a bit of velocity....
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
11/1/2008 7:24:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Wheres-Waldo:
Hey Rob01, have you planned on an extended range report with the 6.5?

Im kind of eager to see what a tuned load will do in a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Also, Septic, your building a bolt action 6.5, or atleast planning on it, what length barrel and twist rate had you concidered?

I ask because DPMS only offers their 6.5 with a 24" 1:7.5".....which will cetainly handle those 140's but will give up a bit of velocity....



i'll go with whatever twist rate they recommend for the 130 or 140 as i'm building this toward high bc stuff. barrel will be 28" or a smidge shorter. nothing less than 26"... with a large heavy bullet i'll take the extra velocity, although slight, that i'll get. don't care if it is 40" long... ok, not that long, but...
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