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thedoctors308  [Team Member]
3/14/2008 8:26:49 PM EST
Any experience with these rifles?
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jmt1271  [Team Member]
3/15/2008 3:10:10 AM EST
If they are half as good as most of the reviews I read, they are the shizzle. Beautiful weapon, thats for sure.
cms81586  [Team Member]
3/15/2008 6:43:00 AM EST
I've had my TRG-22 for about a year now and here's what my take on the rifle is so far... I'll put some pics down below...

Stock: My stock is the green model. It's very comfortable and mine needed no adjustment right out of the box...although some people do need to add spacers to the cheekpiece or to the butt for more LOP. The stock resists scratches well. It has a built in slot on the forearm for the factory bipod, which is convenient. There are multiple sling mounting points on the rifle as well. There is a rail for sling swivels, bipod adapters, or a hand stop under the forearm as well. The forearm is flat enough that it rests very solid on sandbags or a pack but isn't as ugly or blocky as the McMillan A-series. The stock also has the advantages of the AICS with it's own chassis system but without the disadvantage of the thumbhole stock, which slows the time it takes you to work the bolt.

Action/Bolt: The TRG action is what you see out of many of the newer custom receivers like the Surgeon or any closed top receiver, which is stronger. The bolt release is on the receiver and very easy to use. The Extractor on the bolt is a Sako extractor, what most people upgrade Rem 700 bolts to anyhow. It's got a short 60 degree throw and is very slick to operate...not jerky at all. The bolt knob is large enough to utilize in any situation and the bolt arm is long enough to provide any needed leverage to get a stuck round out of the chamber. Also, bolt disassembly is easily done without tools.

Feed System: Feeds from 10 rnd mags. I've never had a failure to feed and there is no getting the rounds stuck in the bolt rail like you do on a Remington when loading rounds into the left side of the mag, however the TRG mags are pricey. I just bought one extra and havent used it yet. I may pick up another some time soon but they should last a lifetime. Also, they are double stack but feed from single position centerline.

Barrel : The barrels Sako uses on these rifles must be pretty darn good. They are sort of a medium heavy contour and are threaded 18x1 Metric. The barrels don't foul much at all and clean very easily. Also I've noticed less extremes from clean cold bore shot to the fouled warm barrel shots with the TRG than with other rifles. It shoots pretty much to POA all the time. I have a factory muzzle brake on my TRG-22. Yeah it's only a .308 but it's nice to be able to spot your own targets. Yes it's very effective but does increase noise alot. I want a suppressor soon.

Bipod : The Sako bipod is by far the best I've ever used, but some may not think it' sworth the high price tag. Sure a Harris will work too, but the Sako bipod is something you don't really appriciate until you use it.

Trigger : The trigger on the TRG is about the best trigger you'd find on any rifle, no exageration. Literally feels like a glass rod breaking and it's not fragile or dangerous like many of the aftermarket light triggers available for other rifles. The trigger can be adjusted externally with allen wrenches and the trigger group can also be removed for cleaning without taking the rifle apart if you wish to do so.

Mounting Options : I'll end with mounting options. Sure there's lots more that could be touched on but this is the basics and I feel like I'm writing a novel. For the TRG-22 in .308, a Near MFG base or any other picatinny rail will work since .308 recoil is mild, but for the TRG-42 in .338 LM or .300WM I'd suggest the factory 3ring mount or one of Near MFG's new bases with a recoil lug. There are stories out there of mount screws breaking under the high stress of the magnum recoil.






Hope this helps. Enjoy!

CMS
Bujesus  [Member]
3/15/2008 6:52:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Any experience with these rifles?


They are quite simply one of the best factory rifles on the market. The ergonomics, trigger, and accuracy of the TRG is impecable. I owned one equiped w/ an S&B that shot bug-holes with ease. I sold it (without the glass) 5-6 months ago to help finance an engagement ring, but have since purchased an AI AW.

The only down-side to the TRG is the unfortunate lack of available accessories. They are relatively hard to come by and once you do find them, you have to pay ludacris amounts of cash for them. For example, bi-pods will run you a cool $450-500, the 3-ring tactical scope mount is $419, muzzle brake $230, 10-shot magazines $230, etc., etc.

Although I like the AI AW better overall, the TRG has its advantages over the AI's. The TRG is lighter, less expensive (excluding accessories), and has a better trigger. In my opinion, the only other guns out there that are in the same league as the TRG are high-end custom shop guns (GAP, Patriot Arms, etc.) and AI.

ETA: PICS
















This is what comes in the box with the gun.


thedoctors308  [Team Member]
3/15/2008 3:06:07 PM EST
cms81586 - it was your rifle that caught my attention.
Did some reading on them last night and they seem to be the cat's meow.

The only thing I'm leary of is the brake, as it attaches using set screws.
Do you think a can is worth it on the TRG 22?
Bujesus  [Member]
3/15/2008 3:20:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Do you think a can is worth it on the TRG 22?


I am assuming that was a rhetorical question .

ACK  [Member]
3/15/2008 5:45:20 PM EST
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek069.html
Enjoy.
I have fired a TRG-22. Best trigger pull I have ever used. Accurate weapon. The minus side are the cost of accesories: $200 for a 10 round mag, $200 for a muzzle brake, +$400 for the bipod... While I have not had any issues; the firing mechanism has several plastic components.
If you buy a used one there was an issue with the firing pin in the earlier models. Contact Beretta for further details.

thedoctors308 Sir the muzzlebrake threads in 18x1mm thread. The setscrew secures the brake from rotation once it is in the the proper position.
10-35  [Member]
3/15/2008 6:00:45 PM EST
I have one and I like the rifle very much. I topped it with a 5.5-22 Nightforce. I have shot the rifle out to 720 yards.

The downside of the rifle is the same as everyone has mentioned. Finding parts for the rilfe sucks. I have called Beretta in an attempt to get information on slings, mags, and other accessories. No one knows anything about them and they seem like they could care less. At Shot Show no one at the Beretta or Sako booth seemed to care or know much about them. I should have gone AI. If someone cared about he system or worked to get the costs of mags, mounts, etc down to an accesptable level it would be great. Hard to buy into the TRG with lack of support the company/importer put into it. Hope I never need a firing pin.

P.S. A 20" TRG would be a almost perfect LE tactical rifle, if an only if there were support for the system. Just my 2 cents.

10-35

Bujesus  [Member]
3/15/2008 6:15:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By 10-35:
The downside of the rifle is the same as everyone has mentioned. Finding parts for the rilfe sucks. I have called Beretta in an attempt to get information on slings, mags, and other accessories. No one knows anything about them and they seem like they could care less. At Shot Show no one at the Beretta or Sako booth seemed to care or know much about them. I should have gone AI. If someone cared about he system or worked to get the costs of mags, mounts, etc down to an accesptable level it would be great. Hard to buy into the TRG with lack of support the company/importer put into it. Hope I never need a firing pin.


The sad and ironic truth to what you speak is purely the fault of Beretta. When Beretta made the Sako purchase, the production of the ancillary items dropped off of the face of the earth - almost as if Beretta didn't even know they WERE being produced by Sako. This was one of the reasons I ended up going with AI...

AI is expensive and has its own issues as well, but I managed to get in prior to recent price increases and service/parts is/are pretty easy to come by here in Texas.

USP45T  [Member]
3/15/2008 8:22:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Any experience with these rifles?


Just fondling mine and returning it to the safe. no scope yet. Love it! Pod and brake were expensive but they are nice. Don't think I'll use the brake much on the 308 except to annoy people at the range....some day.

I have my own Beretta customer service SAKO stories. Their attitude regarding SAKO is a joke. They seem not to care at all. OTOH, Beretta customer service 4yrs ago regarding a 3032 was top notch.

Bujesus, I didn't get the green lined baggy with allen wrench but I did get a Cocking Wrench (part number 149, pg 37 of your manual) that you do not have pictured.

Anyone have a spare mag or 34mm ring/base for sale? or even a Warne base?
10-35  [Member]
3/15/2008 8:30:43 PM EST
FYI the make a picatinny rail that goes on the TRG. Then you can use anyones rings.
USP45T  [Member]
3/15/2008 8:58:15 PM EST
Yeah, I was hoping for the Warne base as it seems to be the cheapest and, if someone had moved on to another base and had it laying around, I might find a deal. The 34mm tubed scope is about 9 months away but I thought I'd start searching for the 3-ring 34mm now.

With the Warne, I can at least get to the range with a low-power Leupold that I have.

TRG Warne
SorryOciffer  [Member]
3/16/2008 6:43:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:
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The only down-side to the TRG is the unfortunate lack of available accessories. They are relatively hard to come by and once you do find them, you have to pay ludacris amounts of cash for them. For example, bi-pods will run you a cool $450-500, the 3-ring tactical scope mount is $419, muzzle brake $230, 10-shot magazines $230, etc., etc.





Bachman Pawn and Gun has the accessories at better prices than that.
SorryOciffer  [Member]
3/16/2008 6:48:15 AM EST
Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me.....
Bujesus  [Member]
3/16/2008 7:05:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:

Originally Posted By Bujesus:
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The only down-side to the TRG is the unfortunate lack of available accessories. They are relatively hard to come by and once you do find them, you have to pay ludacris amounts of cash for them. For example, bi-pods will run you a cool $450-500, the 3-ring tactical scope mount is $419, muzzle brake $230, 10-shot magazines $230, etc., etc.





Bachman Pawn and Gun has the accessories at better prices than that.


They actually have them in stock?
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 8:20:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Do you think a can is worth it on the TRG 22?


I am assuming that was a rhetorical question .


Of course it was...now which can is a good match for the TRG 22?
I hear good things about the AWC Thundertrap.
What about the AAC Cyclone?
Bujesus  [Member]
3/16/2008 9:08:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Do you think a can is worth it on the TRG 22?


I am assuming that was a rhetorical question .


Of course it was...now which can is a good match for the TRG 22?
I hear good things about the AWC Thundertrap.
What about the AAC Cyclone?

I too have heard good things about the Thundertrap, but it is made of Stainless Steel and wont be as light as some of the titanium options out there. Unless you get you TRG bbl shortened, a heavy, pendulous mass on the end could be a pain in the ass.

From what I have seen, AAC makes some nice cans, but I haven't seen or heard a Cyclone in person.

Zak Smith's company just came out with a really nice titanium supressor and can thread it so that it will work quite nicely with a TRG.
thunderbeastarms.com/

Another good option is Ops Inc. They too make very nice suppressors.
www.opsinc.us/category.php?catId=30
USP45T  [Member]
3/16/2008 9:57:13 AM EST

Bachman Pawn and Gun has the accessories at better prices than that.

They actually have them in stock?




They did 2-3 weeks ago. They do not carry the 34mm 3-ring. Mags have gone up in price to $169, and I thought $142 was ridiculous a year ago. Now I feel lucky to have gotten 2 mags delivered for under 300
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 11:12:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:
Zak Smith's company just came out with a really nice titanium supressor and can thread it so that it will work quite nicely with a TRG.
thunderbeastarms.com/


Hm...I'm digging Zak Smith's design, especially since I know he is a shooter.

Now, as far as optics go, what should I be looking at?
I think it would be a disservice to put something like a super sniper on such a fine rifle, but I don't really want to shell out $3k.
If I lived in the desert and had access to vast tracts of lands, I might be more inclined, but living on the East Coast...you know.
Bujesus  [Member]
3/16/2008 12:20:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By USP45T:

Bachman Pawn and Gun has the accessories at better prices than that.

They actually have them in stock?




They did 2-3 weeks ago. They do not carry the 34mm 3-ring. Mags have gone up in price to $169, and I thought $142 was ridiculous a year ago. Now I feel lucky to have gotten 2 mags delivered for under 300


Ah, well the prices I was quoting were coming from gunbroker and TJ General store.
Bujesus  [Member]
3/16/2008 12:27:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By Bujesus:
Zak Smith's company just came out with a really nice titanium supressor and can thread it so that it will work quite nicely with a TRG.
thunderbeastarms.com/


Hm...I'm digging Zak Smith's design, especially since I know he is a shooter.

Now, as far as optics go, what should I be looking at?
I think it would be a disservice to put something like a super sniper on such a fine rifle, but I don't really want to shell out $3k.
If I lived in the desert and had access to vast tracts of lands, I might be more inclined, but living on the East Coast...you know.


For optics on that quality of a gun, I would suggest (in this order) Schmidt and Bender PMII, U.S. Optics SN3, an FFP Nightforce, or as a last resort a FFP Leupold.

If you go to www.eurooptic.com and email Alex for this months price list, you will get the best prices on S&B and NF scopes. You must email for the discounted price list because the discounted prices are not on the website. He usually responds within a couple of hours - even on the weekends.

USO's run a little less than S&B's, but you can get either of them for less than 3k with the S&B running somewhere around 2.6k and the USO somewhere around 1.8-2K IIRC. Zak has a pretty good write-up on his page that compares the features of various optics. demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/

ETA: P.S. - a long time ago I saw a post of yours that pictured 2 SR-25's that you owned. Do you still have them?
SorryOciffer  [Member]
3/16/2008 2:09:07 PM EST

Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me....

Bujesus  [Member]
3/16/2008 3:22:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:
Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me....



NO

IIRC, I saw a pic of a green TRG whose stock broke in half as the result of a drop. I think it was a pic posted by either Fist Of Freedom or Septic Tank 13.
SorryOciffer  [Member]
3/16/2008 4:12:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:
Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me....



NO

IIRC, I saw a pic of a green TRG whose stock broke in half as the result of a drop. I think it was a pic posted by either Fist Of Freedom or Septic Tank 13.


Thanks. It made no sensse to me that it be true. It is just another interweb rumor I have heard repeated by several. Why is it that the black ones are generally cheaper? More of them? People just prefer the green?
Bujesus  [Member]
3/16/2008 4:37:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:
Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me....



NO

IIRC, I saw a pic of a green TRG whose stock broke in half as the result of a drop. I think it was a pic posted by either Fist Of Freedom or Septic Tank 13.


Thanks. It made no sensse to me that it be true. It is just another interweb rumor I have heard repeated by several. Why is it that the black ones are generally cheaper? More of them? People just prefer the green?


I never noticed the difference in price. I personally prefer the all black TRG's, but who knows why they might be cheaper. Another thing to consider is that most of the people that I know who bought green got a "kit deal" included. By kit, I am referring to the muzzle break, bipod, etc. My black TRG came with no such accessories, but when I purchased it (on gunbroker from Bachman's in Dallas area), it was going for the exact same price as the similarly equiped green ones on gunbroker.
cms81586  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 5:09:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By USP45T:

Bachman Pawn and Gun has the accessories at better prices than that.

They actually have them in stock?




They did 2-3 weeks ago. They do not carry the 34mm 3-ring. Mags have gone up in price to $169, and I thought $142 was ridiculous a year ago. Now I feel lucky to have gotten 2 mags delivered for under 300


Ah, well the prices I was quoting were coming from gunbroker and TJ General store.





TJ's is by me...they're out of line on the prices. Also, the Brake isn't held on with set screws. It threads on and then you tighten the alen screw to index it at the proper position. It's rock solid and easy to remove...just be sure you index and tighten it to the same place when you remove it or you might get a slight zero shift. It's also the best way to protect the muzzle crown...

For optics, if you don't have the cash for good optics I wouldn't hesitate putting a SS on it. If you have the rifle you can always add other things later, and a SS will get you shooting until you can save up for a good scope. I put a Leupy Vari-X III LR M3 3.5-10x40 duplex on mine. I got it used for less than $600 with the box and all the cams and the works with not even ring marks on it. I'll put that on a SPR build when I get around to doing one and buy a S&B 3-12 PMII Doubleturn. Until then the Leupy will work...and it shoots great as is. Here's some more incentive... This is a groundhog load that Jjm84 worked up.


ETA: Yes I do remember someone breaking a stock but it may have been a MFG defect. I don't remember the details on how far it fell from or if it was at just the right angle but I'm not worried about it. My TRG gets abused just like the rest of my firearms... And for suppressors, Zak is doing his with a 18x1M thread option and the Gemtech HVT is also available in this thread for the TRG.


thedoctors308  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 6:50:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:
For optics on that quality of a gun, I would suggest (in this order) Schmidt and Bender PMII, U.S. Optics SN3, an FFP Nightforce, or as a last resort a FFP Leupold.

If you go to www.eurooptic.com and email Alex for this months price list, you will get the best prices on S&B and NF scopes. You must email for the discounted price list because the discounted prices are not on the website. He usually responds within a couple of hours - even on the weekends.

USO's run a little less than S&B's, but you can get either of them for less than 3k with the S&B running somewhere around 2.6k and the USO somewhere around 1.8-2K IIRC. Zak has a pretty good write-up on his page that compares the features of various optics. demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/

ETA: P.S. - a long time ago I saw a post of yours that pictured 2 SR-25's that you owned. Do you still have them?


Thanks for the info, I will be specing this all out in excel so I can figure out the costs.

I think you might have me confused with someone else.
I've never owned one, let alone two SR-25s...maybe I should go check my safe!
cms81586  [Team Member]
3/17/2008 2:11:11 PM EST
Also, yeah I think a can would be worth it. They're the best muzzle brake you can buy, but I haven't gotten around to getting one yet and when I bought the rifle I was unsure as to what my first duty station would be so I didn't want to purchase one only to find out I'm going to a suppressor unfriendly state. Now I don't have the cash since I just got married but give it a few months and I'll have one. I'm looking forward to Zaks suppressor but I may also try to find one that uses a QD mount and have it threaded for 18x1M threads and also get a QD flash hider for my HK-91 and possibly even one for my AR. That will leave the options open for using the one suppressor on many different rifles, whereas if I get one just threaded for 18x1M I can only use it on the TRG.

CMS
sgwlower  [Team Member]
3/18/2008 2:47:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By cms81586:
Also, yeah I think a can would be worth it. They're the best muzzle brake you can buy, but I haven't gotten around to getting one yet and when I bought the rifle I was unsure as to what my first duty station would be so I didn't want to purchase one only to find out I'm going to a suppressor unfriendly state. Now I don't have the cash since I just got married but give it a few months and I'll have one. I'm looking forward to Zaks suppressor but I may also try to find one that uses a QD mount and have it threaded for 18x1M threads and also get a QD flash hider for my HK-91 and possibly even one for my AR. That will leave the options open for using the one suppressor on many different rifles, whereas if I get one just threaded for 18x1M I can only use it on the TRG.

CMS


sounds like you need 3 cans!!!

*coming from the guy in non supressor friendly state*
from_HH  [Member]
3/18/2008 5:38:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:
Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me....



NO

IIRC, I saw a pic of a green TRG whose stock broke in half as the result of a drop. I think it was a pic posted by either Fist Of Freedom or Septic Tank 13.


Thanks. It made no sensse to me that it be true. It is just another interweb rumor I have heard repeated by several. Why is it that the black ones are generally cheaper? More of them? People just prefer the green?


I never noticed the difference in price. I personally prefer the all black TRG's, but who knows why they might be cheaper. Another thing to consider is that most of the people that I know who bought green got a "kit deal" included. By kit, I am referring to the muzzle break, bipod, etc. My black TRG came with no such accessories, but when I purchased it (on gunbroker from Bachman's in Dallas area), it was going for the exact same price as the similarly equiped green ones on gunbroker.



There are, in fact, TWO black TRG versions available. One is exactly like the green one, only with a black colored stock of course. The other one is the "economy" model. I've visually compared the different versions and so far only found the following differences:

The green rifle and its black counterpart are fully parkerized. The "economy" version has a blued barrel. What is more important, the "economy" rifle lacks the small slot at the muzzle end of the barrel, at the 12 o'clock position just behind the muzzle threads. This slot is for centering the military back up iron front sight or a mount for an Ansch├╝tz target sight. Maybe that's the main reason for the difference in price. There might be more differences (i.e. different material for the stocks? - just to fuel the above mentioned rumors), but I didn't notice any.

As I intend to use only the scope with my TRG-22, I spared the extra cost for the BUIS prepared rifle (and the sights themselves for that matter). I never missed that option so far and I'm quite happy with my rifle (Ah, another chance to post my pics again).







You can clearly see the difference between the blued barrel and the parkerized receiver + scope mount


Speaking of the scope mount, I really liked the SAKO Optilock rings with their self centering plastic inserts. Eases up mounting of the scope and protects its finish as well. Scope is a Leupold Mark4 4.5-14x50mm LR/T M1 with illum. Mildot reticle.


+1 on the costs for accessories. The bipod is worth saving money for it and is the next best (and easily transportable) thing to a well set up sand bag rest. The plastic spacers for the stock (butt and cheek piece) are ridiculously expensive. I cut up an old leather belt to make some spacers for the cheek piece.


I've tied some pieces of bicycle inner tubes to the bipod feet. This prevents them from marring the scope's finish, when the bipod feet are folded backwards. The tubes are easily peeled back when using the bipod on a rough surface.



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beenjammin2  [Member]
3/31/2008 7:23:08 PM EST
I like my sako trg 22 every bit as much as my AI AW rifle. I like the trigger and stock on the sako better. The AI thumb hole is just not a natural grip to me. I find myself laying my palm over the hole instead of sticking my thumb through it. I will say sako's add ons are way too expensive, but the bipod and muzzle break are the very best for this rifle.

You can either buy a sako totally decked out with a scope, or a plane jane AI AW. They pretty much shoot the same to me.


However, If I was going to war, id ratehr have the AW. You just cant hurt it. If you run out of ammo, its still a damn good club.


UPSguy  [Team Member]
4/11/2008 12:36:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:

Originally Posted By Bujesus:

Originally Posted By SorryOciffer:
Any truth to the rumor that the green stocked rifles have a more durable stock than the black stocked ones? Doesn't make much sense to me....



NO

IIRC, I saw a pic of a green TRG whose stock broke in half as the result of a drop. I think it was a pic posted by either Fist Of Freedom or Septic Tank 13.


Thanks. It made no sensse to me that it be true. It is just another interweb rumor I have heard repeated by several. Why is it that the black ones are generally cheaper? More of them? People just prefer the green?


According to Sako's website the green stocked versions are 1/2 lb heavier. They might indeed be stronger or more reinforced. You can go to Sako's website and download the technical details for yourself to see the weight difference.
dropd57  [Member]
4/12/2008 4:10:17 PM EST
Put a Zeiss Diavari on it!!

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