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 Tikka T3 vs. Weatherby Vanguard
bigk23surf  [Member]
9/14/2006 4:59:56 PM
Im considering purchasing one of the above. Im looking to get a 300WM for some longrange shooting. Just want some opinions on which one you think I should get. I already have a Rem 700 in 25-06 so I want to go with a different brand. Also if you can think of another brand around $500 I should go with let me know. Thanks, Mike.
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akethan  [Team Member]
9/14/2006 5:09:09 PM
Just say NO to Jap rifles(Weatherby).


Actually I have owned couple of Tikkas, they are top notch. Best factory bolt and trigger out there. Accuracy is outstanding also.
HotIce  [Member]
9/14/2006 6:31:35 PM
You prefer the US-made Tikka instead?
I had one Vanguard, and IMO had the smoothest action I tried. Sliding glass over vaseline, basically
The barrel was too light to keep accuracy up, after a few rounds. Too thin for a tactical rifle, but good for hunting IMO.
I saw they make a varmint rifle now, that I had not time to look into yet.
Of course, Tikka makes very good rifles too.



- Ice

bigk23surf  [Member]
9/14/2006 7:41:54 PM
I was looking to get one with a bull barrel. I have heard very good things about the Tikka but the Weatherby is cheaper, just did not know if it was just as good.
HotIce  [Member]
9/14/2006 8:08:44 PM
The Vanguard stock is on the cheap, at least in the standard model. Varmint looks better AFAICS.
I didn't see many reports about the Vanguard, but the Tikka Varmint had many positive reviews.
In the uncertainty, I'd go with the Tikka Varmint.



- Ice

akethan  [Team Member]
9/14/2006 9:54:08 PM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=204728
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
9/14/2006 10:28:45 PM

Originally Posted By HotIce:
You prefer the US-made Tikka instead?




they are both nice rifles. i like the howa action - which is the same action with some small exceptions as the weatherby vanguard. weatherby source its vanguard line from/through howa...

i can understand and get behind the "buy American" attitude, but sometimes it's hard to know where things are ACTUALLY coming from... weatherby is located in atascadero ca, and the rifles sourced overseas... the tikka is made under the beretta family, so the US thing is out the window regarding these two choices...

regardless, both are reputable companies with good products. i'd rather buy a howa 1500 barreled action and get my own stock than buy the weatherby, simply because i've got a little heartburn with weatherby currently - and you can get a three position safety from howa as well... although i like the action from howa, i think the tikka T3 has the trump card here. super smooth bolt, fit and finish are fantastic, nice trigger, quality barrel and stock, and i even like the plastic DBM...

i've said it before and i'll say it again - the tikka T3 is one of the best kept secrets in the industry...



there are other rifles too. for a tight budget you should consider the savage. anybody who can afford a tikka T3 can afford a rem 700, one of the remaining winchesters left around, or maybe an FN PBR if you prefer.

i'm not a ruger fan when it comes to precision rifles - talk about slop... i know i'll ruffle some feathers here, but the tolerances they keep/accept are terrible, and accurate rifles are a toss of the coin when purchased with the "ruger" label...

read through the board here and spend some time. there are a lot of opinions, and with them comes some great experience and information. all this stuff won't make your mind up for you, but it'll certainly provide some good options...

HTH.



akethan  [Team Member]
9/15/2006 8:28:00 PM

Originally Posted By septic-tank13:

Originally Posted By HotIce:
You prefer the US-made Tikka instead?




they are both nice rifles. i like the howa action - which is the same action with some small exceptions as the weatherby vanguard. weatherby source its vanguard line from/through howa...

i can understand and get behind the "buy American" attitude, but sometimes it's hard to know where things are ACTUALLY coming from... weatherby is located in atascadero ca, and the rifles sourced overseas... the tikka is made under the beretta family, so the US thing is out the window regarding these two choices...

regardless, both are reputable companies with good products. i'd rather buy a howa 1500 barreled action and get my own stock than buy the weatherby, simply because i've got a little heartburn with weatherby currently - and you can get a three position safety from howa as well... although i like the action from howa, i think the tikka T3 has the trump card here. super smooth bolt, fit and finish are fantastic, nice trigger, quality barrel and stock, and i even like the plastic DBM...

i've said it before and i'll say it again - the tikka T3 is one of the best kept secrets in the industry...



there are other rifles too. for a tight budget you should consider the savage. anybody who can afford a tikka T3 can afford a rem 700, one of the remaining winchesters left around, or maybe an FN PBR if you prefer.

i'm not a ruger fan when it comes to precision rifles - talk about slop... i know i'll ruffle some feathers here, but the tolerances they keep/accept are terrible, and accurate rifles are a toss of the coin when purchased with the "ruger" label...

read through the board here and spend some time. there are a lot of opinions, and with them comes some great experience and information. all this stuff won't make your mind up for you, but it'll certainly provide some good options...

HTH.






Did I mention one thing about buying American or the Tikka being American in my post? I glad you guys think you're so funny.

I just said don't buy the Jap rifle. The FN is just a model 70 with makeup.

Again, read the other thread. This topic comes up every 2 weeks.
nrode  [Member]
9/15/2006 10:03:35 PM
Tikka with a Ken Farrel base put on it. Smoothest out of the box trigger and action you'll find outside of something like an AI or Sako TRG. But then again Tikkas are manufactured by Sako... So far the worst accuracy I've seen with a Tikka is still better than the best I've seen with a Weatherby. IMHO, Weatherbys are great rifles but made for hunting only.
24ksports  [Team Member]
9/16/2006 8:56:30 AM
Let's see you have a Remington you are satisfied with but you want another brand - why ? I am not defending Remington just not sure of the rationale applied here. Why just a Tika or Vanguard ? There are many other $500 ish rifle out there. I second you read the past posts over the 2 months and you will find several threads re just your question.
septic-tank13  [Team Member]
9/16/2006 10:20:11 AM

Originally Posted By akethan:

Originally Posted By septic-tank13:

Originally Posted By HotIce:
You prefer the US-made Tikka instead?




they are both nice rifles. i like the howa action - which is the same action with some small exceptions as the weatherby vanguard. weatherby source its vanguard line from/through howa...

i can understand and get behind the "buy American" attitude, but sometimes it's hard to know where things are ACTUALLY coming from... weatherby is located in atascadero ca, and the rifles sourced overseas... the tikka is made under the beretta family, so the US thing is out the window regarding these two choices...

regardless, both are reputable companies with good products. i'd rather buy a howa 1500 barreled action and get my own stock than buy the weatherby, simply because i've got a little heartburn with weatherby currently - and you can get a three position safety from howa as well... although i like the action from howa, i think the tikka T3 has the trump card here. super smooth bolt, fit and finish are fantastic, nice trigger, quality barrel and stock, and i even like the plastic DBM...

i've said it before and i'll say it again - the tikka T3 is one of the best kept secrets in the industry...



there are other rifles too. for a tight budget you should consider the savage. anybody who can afford a tikka T3 can afford a rem 700, one of the remaining winchesters left around, or maybe an FN PBR if you prefer.

i'm not a ruger fan when it comes to precision rifles - talk about slop... i know i'll ruffle some feathers here, but the tolerances they keep/accept are terrible, and accurate rifles are a toss of the coin when purchased with the "ruger" label...

read through the board here and spend some time. there are a lot of opinions, and with them comes some great experience and information. all this stuff won't make your mind up for you, but it'll certainly provide some good options...

HTH.






Did I mention one thing about buying American or the Tikka being American in my post? I glad you guys think you're so funny.

I just said don't buy the Jap rifle. The FN is just a model 70 with makeup.

Again, read the other thread. This topic comes up every 2 weeks.


too many times when reading or posting we take sentiment incorrectly. sorry about the confusion.

no, i guess you didn't say anything about "American" but i found the humor in HotIce's post just the same. it appears as if that offended you and i made a choice to jump on the band wagon - for that i apologize. i dug the humor, but my apology is public and sincere.

as for the rest... i try and stay pretty well versed on what is going on in the rifle market. i also try and remember we all have opinions. mostly i try and remember this is a technical forum. i am forthcoming with information i know to be correct and can be verified. when offering opions, i state it so. as for reading the other post - i did. i also posted in it with some constructive opinion and qualified them.

no more, no less.

-ST13
OdT  [Moderator]
9/16/2006 11:37:48 AM
I'll vote for the Tikka, where ever it's made.
0100010  [Member]
9/20/2006 10:15:49 PM

Originally Posted By OdT:
I'll vote for the Tikka, where ever it's made.


+1, Tikka. They are currently made in the Sako factory in Riihimäki, Finland. Prior to 1988 they were made in the Tikkakoski rifle factory in Central Finland.
all4freedom  [Member]
9/20/2006 10:42:30 PM
+1 tikka
Fist-of-Freedom  [Member]
9/21/2006 9:49:09 PM
Tikka Tikka TIKKA
Maddog_44  [Team Member]
9/22/2006 12:21:02 AM
+1 on the Tikka I have a T3 Tactical but you're going to pay more than $500 for it.

Check out http://www.mtguns.com/ for their Tikka's
SSDriver  [Team Member]
9/23/2006 9:15:51 PM
tikka for sure
Trapfan  [Member]
9/30/2006 1:45:45 AM
I have a Tikka T3 Lite in .243 Winchester with a 3X9 Zeiss Conquest scope. With plain old Winchester 100gr Power Point rounds it holds under a inch at 100 yards. One of the guys at my club had a new Tikka so I shot it and my Remington ADL side by side. It out-shot my Remington .243Win ADL so bad I sold the Remington and now own a Tikka. I also have a Sako TRG-S in .300Win Mag so the Tikka looks like its little brother.
bfm1851  [Member]
9/30/2006 8:02:38 AM
I have a Tikka, some Savages, and a couple Remingtons. I think theres a mauser and a M1 in the safe too. For what it is worth the Tikka has the smoothest action of the three companies. Mine's a .223 varment style with the heavy barrel and shots great. No trouble staying under 1MOA if I do my part. My Remingtons, 22-250 and .223 both shot very well. Have a couple of Savages and believe for the price best value for your dollar. great shooters. I paid less then $500 for my Tikka so maybe I got a good deal but none of my savages cost over $500 and we all know what you pay for a remington. After market stuff if your are inclinde, lots of places to buy remington parts. Savages too have lots of after market things you can get and they ae very easy to work on if you want to rebarrel or change caliber. The tikka, well I cannot find anywhere that sells parts other then Berrata. Laminated stock will cost you over $400 and an extra 4 or 5 round mag, get ready to shell out $40 plus. The other thing I don't like about the Tikka, with the mag in you can not load single shots. And with the mag out well it's not an easy task to load single shots either.
Not sure if this helps in your descion or not. Most everybody here leans a little one way or another when it comes to rifles. Me I like them all, just some are better deals then others. Now if you really want to get something started, asked which scope is the best and how much should pay.
Maddog_44  [Team Member]
10/1/2006 10:23:54 PM

Originally Posted By bfm1851:
I have a Tikka, some Savages, and a couple Remingtons. I think theres a mauser and a M1 in the safe too. For what it is worth the Tikka has the smoothest action of the three companies. Mine's a .223 varment style with the heavy barrel and shots great. No trouble staying under 1MOA if I do my part. My Remingtons, 22-250 and .223 both shot very well. Have a couple of Savages and believe for the price best value for your dollar. great shooters. I paid less then $500 for my Tikka so maybe I got a good deal but none of my savages cost over $500 and we all know what you pay for a remington. After market stuff if your are inclinde, lots of places to buy remington parts. Savages too have lots of after market things you can get and they ae very easy to work on if you want to rebarrel or change caliber. The tikka, well I cannot find anywhere that sells parts other then Berrata. Laminated stock will cost you over $400 and an extra 4 or 5 round mag, get ready to shell out $40 plus. The other thing I don't like about the Tikka, with the mag in you can not load single shots. And with the mag out well it's not an easy task to load single shots either.
Not sure if this helps in your descion or not. Most everybody here leans a little one way or another when it comes to rifles. Me I like them all, just some are better deals then others. Now if you really want to get something started, asked which scope is the best and how much should pay.



You have a good point on the Savage rifles, I also own a FP10 in .223 that I re-barreled in .243 WSSM. I can swap out the bbl in about an hour without removing the scope mounts and still be on paper with the changed out bbl.

Savage has been the bastard step child of the shooting industry but I for one have absolutly no problems with them. BTW mine is a pre Accu Trigger and after having it tuned up by SSS, it as good as any I own. I'm probably going to add a .308 bbl to the collection soon.
akethan  [Team Member]
10/9/2006 8:01:48 PM

Originally Posted By bfm1851:
I have a Tikka, some Savages, and a couple Remingtons. I think theres a mauser and a M1 in the safe too. For what it is worth the Tikka has the smoothest action of the three companies. Mine's a .223 varment style with the heavy barrel and shots great. No trouble staying under 1MOA if I do my part. My Remingtons, 22-250 and .223 both shot very well. Have a couple of Savages and believe for the price best value for your dollar. great shooters. I paid less then $500 for my Tikka so maybe I got a good deal but none of my savages cost over $500 and we all know what you pay for a remington. After market stuff if your are inclinde, lots of places to buy remington parts. Savages too have lots of after market things you can get and they ae very easy to work on if you want to rebarrel or change caliber. The tikka, well I cannot find anywhere that sells parts other then Berrata. Laminated stock will cost you over $400 and an extra 4 or 5 round mag, get ready to shell out $40 plus. The other thing I don't like about the Tikka, with the mag in you can not load single shots. And with the mag out well it's not an easy task to load single shots either.
Not sure if this helps in your descion or not. Most everybody here leans a little one way or another when it comes to rifles. Me I like them all, just some are better deals then others. Now if you really want to get something started, asked which scope is the best and how much should pay.



I never had a problem loading a single round in my Sporter or T3 Tactical.

BTW they are both .308
bfm1851  [Member]
10/9/2006 8:34:59 PM
Maybe my Tikka T3 is somewhat different being a varmint model as opposed to a tactical. I left for the range one day and a had forgot the mag. Well I could load single shots but it was not easy and with the mag in it is almost impossible. The mag is really long and the lips that hold the round in are pretty far foward and it is a single stack mag so you have to slide the round in from the front. All in all it still shots better then I can (and by the way better then my Remington but don't tell anyone) . for the right price I would get another....maybe that .308 tactical everybody is talking about.
headpulper  [Team Member]
10/9/2006 8:44:34 PM
I've got a .300 Win Mag T-3 Tikka that was an unkown when I bought it. I'm a big fan now.
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