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Remlin vs. Marlin - The Great Debate
11/28/2011 1:14:43 PM
Soooo, for over a year I sweated the purchase of a Marlin 1894 .357 as I watched used prices skyrocket on pre-Freedom Group guns (to a current high of around $800 on GB for a like-new gun with box.) Stores would get a new one in, I'd dither around reading horror stories about the new manufacture guns, and then within a weekend it would be gone. The few that came in would evaporate.
I'd then start the research process over again, watching GB go nuts, new one comes in...lather, rinse, repeat. I passed up, safe estimate, probably 10 new "Remlins" during the hassle. I never did pull the proverbial trigger on buying one of the insanely overpriced used ones on GB. Almost, but not quite. Scared as I was about buying a problem, $800 for a Marlin lever gun that's going to end up as a fun truck gun, just seemed ridiculous.
So, finally I got impatient and sick of watching the classifieds for that "one" fair condition .357 and I decided to buy the first new one I found at a gun shop. It took two months, but eventually the stars aligned and I stumbled onto a shop that was taking delivery on one. Went back that Friday after UPS showed up and bought it sight unseen (which as I realize is tantamount to Russian roulette with new Marlins, or so I've read.) First time the box was opened was to fill out the NICS paperwork and cycle some .38 snapcaps to make sure it ran right.
Want to know what? It runs like a dream. Shoots like a dream. Point of aim right out of the box. Cycles both .38 and .357 perfectly. 50 rounds of each, no hiccups at all. My Colt Combat Elite needed more break-in when I got it.
Now, the action is *slightly rough*, but nothing some emory, diamond hones, and spring clipping won't fix in a couple hours. I'd be doing that anyway. The top of the bolt could be smoother, but it works fine and will smooth up. The barrel band screw is boogered (about $2.00 to fix), the forend screw is very slightly boogered (another $2.00) and the stock *could* have been fitted better. Not too badly mind you, just not as symmetrically as one would hope.
Other than that, nothing to speak of. Checkering was nice. Stocks had no marks. All the important parts are where they should be. I took calipers and a mike to anything I could think of. Guns fine. Better than fine. Great for what it is, a perfectly servicable $599 firearm made in America by (one presumes, mostly) Americans.
So, the moral is: While the whole Freedom / Cerebrus / Remlin debacle stinks and has lowered the expectations of the Marlin customer, I can safely say that you can choose one of the firearms at random and still get a good one. Perhaps the chance of getting a bad one has increased, but they aren't all bad. I'm fully aware that my MR prefix Remlin will never have any collectors value or be as well regarded as the older alternative, but it's a fine gun. Not exactly a Merkle or a GAP, but better than a Hi-Point or Taurus.
The last thought is sort of an abstract; since this is a $599 gun it seems logical that they aren't all going to be perfect. I mean cripes, they used to sell these things at Big5. It's not some super custom, or even particularly high-end sort of weapon. It's simply a lever action rifle, like the bajillion made before it. Perhaps...perhaps...I was taking internet gossip a little too seriously and should have just bought the first one I found.
My .02.
I'd then start the research process over again, watching GB go nuts, new one comes in...lather, rinse, repeat. I passed up, safe estimate, probably 10 new "Remlins" during the hassle. I never did pull the proverbial trigger on buying one of the insanely overpriced used ones on GB. Almost, but not quite. Scared as I was about buying a problem, $800 for a Marlin lever gun that's going to end up as a fun truck gun, just seemed ridiculous.
So, finally I got impatient and sick of watching the classifieds for that "one" fair condition .357 and I decided to buy the first new one I found at a gun shop. It took two months, but eventually the stars aligned and I stumbled onto a shop that was taking delivery on one. Went back that Friday after UPS showed up and bought it sight unseen (which as I realize is tantamount to Russian roulette with new Marlins, or so I've read.) First time the box was opened was to fill out the NICS paperwork and cycle some .38 snapcaps to make sure it ran right.
Want to know what? It runs like a dream. Shoots like a dream. Point of aim right out of the box. Cycles both .38 and .357 perfectly. 50 rounds of each, no hiccups at all. My Colt Combat Elite needed more break-in when I got it.
Now, the action is *slightly rough*, but nothing some emory, diamond hones, and spring clipping won't fix in a couple hours. I'd be doing that anyway. The top of the bolt could be smoother, but it works fine and will smooth up. The barrel band screw is boogered (about $2.00 to fix), the forend screw is very slightly boogered (another $2.00) and the stock *could* have been fitted better. Not too badly mind you, just not as symmetrically as one would hope.
Other than that, nothing to speak of. Checkering was nice. Stocks had no marks. All the important parts are where they should be. I took calipers and a mike to anything I could think of. Guns fine. Better than fine. Great for what it is, a perfectly servicable $599 firearm made in America by (one presumes, mostly) Americans.
So, the moral is: While the whole Freedom / Cerebrus / Remlin debacle stinks and has lowered the expectations of the Marlin customer, I can safely say that you can choose one of the firearms at random and still get a good one. Perhaps the chance of getting a bad one has increased, but they aren't all bad. I'm fully aware that my MR prefix Remlin will never have any collectors value or be as well regarded as the older alternative, but it's a fine gun. Not exactly a Merkle or a GAP, but better than a Hi-Point or Taurus.
The last thought is sort of an abstract; since this is a $599 gun it seems logical that they aren't all going to be perfect. I mean cripes, they used to sell these things at Big5. It's not some super custom, or even particularly high-end sort of weapon. It's simply a lever action rifle, like the bajillion made before it. Perhaps...perhaps...I was taking internet gossip a little too seriously and should have just bought the first one I found.
My .02.
11/28/2011 1:58:23 PM
Glad you got a decent gun however it came about.
I was under the impression that remlin was not shipping any guns ,trying to get the quality control process worked out.
Did things start moveing again or was your gun somewhere in the pipeline?
What is the barrel stamped? Illion? North haven?
I have a buddy who has a gunshop and I personally looked at a couple of remlins that were brand new transfer guns. This was back in may or june Really really sorry.
Both were refused by the owners and were to be sent back to whereever they came from but I don't how that all worked out.
I have to wonder if Marlin was keeping its head above water when sold or if the whole moveing was just a attempt by the bean counters to increase the profit?
What a mess, company has a solid dependable product that folks are willing to buy and the whole situation is now uggly. Ex-employies pissed to hell because they don't have any jobs,
Factory in North Haven sitting empty rotting away, Probably a bunch of hair pulling and finger pointing as the folks at remlin try to get production up an running decently and a bunch of customers scared to risk a purchase
I was under the impression that remlin was not shipping any guns ,trying to get the quality control process worked out.
Did things start moveing again or was your gun somewhere in the pipeline?
What is the barrel stamped? Illion? North haven?
I have a buddy who has a gunshop and I personally looked at a couple of remlins that were brand new transfer guns. This was back in may or june Really really sorry.
Both were refused by the owners and were to be sent back to whereever they came from but I don't how that all worked out.
I have to wonder if Marlin was keeping its head above water when sold or if the whole moveing was just a attempt by the bean counters to increase the profit?
What a mess, company has a solid dependable product that folks are willing to buy and the whole situation is now uggly. Ex-employies pissed to hell because they don't have any jobs,
Factory in North Haven sitting empty rotting away, Probably a bunch of hair pulling and finger pointing as the folks at remlin try to get production up an running decently and a bunch of customers scared to risk a purchase
11/28/2011 4:07:39 PM
Looking for a 1894 in 44mag and I cant bring myself to buy a new one,I'm still looking for a used one.
11/28/2011 4:28:35 PM
I just got a new or Remlin 1894 in 357. I have not shot it yet, going to shoot it this week. I had a pre freedom 1894 in 357 and am sorry I sold it. The new one is not as smooth as the pre freedom 1894 I had. I believe that it will smooth out after a couple hundred rounds.
I really didn't want to spend a arm and a leg for a older one. I paid $550 for the remlin and $490 for the pre freedom one about 3 years ago. I still kick my self for selling it.
I really didn't want to spend a arm and a leg for a older one. I paid $550 for the remlin and $490 for the pre freedom one about 3 years ago. I still kick my self for selling it.
11/28/2011 6:21:31 PM
The bad thing is that a few years ago, Those Minor defects wouldnt have been allowed out of the factory by Marlin. I'm still looking for a .357 for my mom, She likes the one caliber for pistol/rifle way of thought.
11/28/2011 7:28:05 PM
It's a North Haven gun.
It's true, the quality control was better, I've looked at enough of them now (I did the math, the wait was closer to two years) to see that. But then again, its just not terrible enough to boycott the whole production run from here on out. It's sort of like that "not for duty use" 5.56 ammo from Federal that was out for a while. Yeah, it should be cheaper than it was...but every round I shot went bang.
Okay, that was maybe a poor analogy. Suffice to say, the gun is fine. My nightmares didn't come true. I wanted to let the rest of the world know that not *every* one was bad. Perhaps give a green light to those like me who just couldn't bring themselves to take the risk despite wanting one very badly. Besides, what do we do with these things but shoot them, tinker, and play. What few little issues I see now are weekends of fun for months to come.
It's true, the quality control was better, I've looked at enough of them now (I did the math, the wait was closer to two years) to see that. But then again, its just not terrible enough to boycott the whole production run from here on out. It's sort of like that "not for duty use" 5.56 ammo from Federal that was out for a while. Yeah, it should be cheaper than it was...but every round I shot went bang.
Okay, that was maybe a poor analogy. Suffice to say, the gun is fine. My nightmares didn't come true. I wanted to let the rest of the world know that not *every* one was bad. Perhaps give a green light to those like me who just couldn't bring themselves to take the risk despite wanting one very badly. Besides, what do we do with these things but shoot them, tinker, and play. What few little issues I see now are weekends of fun for months to come.
11/29/2011 1:31:04 PM
This sums up my experience with my new Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but it is way better than the internet rumors would have on believe. I would buy one again.
Originally Posted By jander:
Soooo, for over a year I sweated the purchase of a Marlin 1894 .357 as I watched used prices skyrocket on pre-Freedom Group guns (to a current high of around $800 on GB for a like-new gun with box.) Stores would get a new one in, I'd dither around reading horror stories about the new manufacture guns, and then within a weekend it would be gone. The few that came in would evaporate.
I'd then start the research process over again, watching GB go nuts, new one comes in...lather, rinse, repeat. I passed up, safe estimate, probably 10 new "Remlins" during the hassle. I never did pull the proverbial trigger on buying one of the insanely overpriced used ones on GB. Almost, but not quite. Scared as I was about buying a problem, $800 for a Marlin lever gun that's going to end up as a fun truck gun, just seemed ridiculous.
So, finally I got impatient and sick of watching the classifieds for that "one" fair condition .357 and I decided to buy the first new one I found at a gun shop. It took two months, but eventually the stars aligned and I stumbled onto a shop that was taking delivery on one. Went back that Friday after UPS showed up and bought it sight unseen (which as I realize is tantamount to Russian roulette with new Marlins, or so I've read.) First time the box was opened was to fill out the NICS paperwork and cycle some .38 snapcaps to make sure it ran right.
Want to know what? It runs like a dream. Shoots like a dream. Point of aim right out of the box. Cycles both .38 and .357 perfectly. 50 rounds of each, no hiccups at all. My Colt Combat Elite needed more break-in when I got it.
This sums up my experience with my Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but I would buy it again. It is not nearly as bad as the internet rumors would lead one to believe.
This sums up my experience with my Remlin 1894 .357 perfectly. It isn't perfect, but it is still a nice functional gun. I would buy it again.
This sums up my experience with the same gun perfectly.
Now, the action is *slightly rough*, but nothing some emory, diamond hones, and spring clipping won't fix in a couple hours. I'd be doing that anyway. The top of the bolt could be smoother, but it works fine and will smooth up. The barrel band screw is boogered (about $2.00 to fix), the forend screw is very slightly boogered (another $2.00) and the stock *could* have been fitted better. Not too badly mind you, just not as symmetrically as one would hope.
Other than that, nothing to speak of. Checkering was nice. Stocks had no marks. All the important parts are where they should be. I took calipers and a mike to anything I could think of. Guns fine. Better than fine. Great for what it is, a perfectly servicable $599 firearm made in America by (one presumes, mostly) Americans.
So, the moral is: While the whole Freedom / Cerebrus / Remlin debacle stinks and has lowered the expectations of the Marlin customer, I can safely say that you can choose one of the firearms at random and still get a good one. Perhaps the chance of getting a bad one has increased, but they aren't all bad. I'm fully aware that my MR prefix Remlin will never have any collectors value or be as well regarded as the older alternative, but it's a fine gun. Not exactly a Merkle or a GAP, but better than a Hi-Point or Taurus.
The last thought is sort of an abstract; since this is a $599 gun it seems logical that they aren't all going to be perfect. I mean cripes, they used to sell these things at Big5. It's not some super custom, or even particularly high-end sort of weapon. It's simply a lever action rifle, like the bajillion made before it. Perhaps...perhaps...I was taking internet gossip a little too seriously and should have just bought the first one I found.
My .02.
Soooo, for over a year I sweated the purchase of a Marlin 1894 .357 as I watched used prices skyrocket on pre-Freedom Group guns (to a current high of around $800 on GB for a like-new gun with box.) Stores would get a new one in, I'd dither around reading horror stories about the new manufacture guns, and then within a weekend it would be gone. The few that came in would evaporate.
I'd then start the research process over again, watching GB go nuts, new one comes in...lather, rinse, repeat. I passed up, safe estimate, probably 10 new "Remlins" during the hassle. I never did pull the proverbial trigger on buying one of the insanely overpriced used ones on GB. Almost, but not quite. Scared as I was about buying a problem, $800 for a Marlin lever gun that's going to end up as a fun truck gun, just seemed ridiculous.
So, finally I got impatient and sick of watching the classifieds for that "one" fair condition .357 and I decided to buy the first new one I found at a gun shop. It took two months, but eventually the stars aligned and I stumbled onto a shop that was taking delivery on one. Went back that Friday after UPS showed up and bought it sight unseen (which as I realize is tantamount to Russian roulette with new Marlins, or so I've read.) First time the box was opened was to fill out the NICS paperwork and cycle some .38 snapcaps to make sure it ran right.
Want to know what? It runs like a dream. Shoots like a dream. Point of aim right out of the box. Cycles both .38 and .357 perfectly. 50 rounds of each, no hiccups at all. My Colt Combat Elite needed more break-in when I got it.
This sums up my experience with my Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but I would buy it again. It is not nearly as bad as the internet rumors would lead one to believe.
This sums up my experience with my Remlin 1894 .357 perfectly. It isn't perfect, but it is still a nice functional gun. I would buy it again.
This sums up my experience with the same gun perfectly.
Now, the action is *slightly rough*, but nothing some emory, diamond hones, and spring clipping won't fix in a couple hours. I'd be doing that anyway. The top of the bolt could be smoother, but it works fine and will smooth up. The barrel band screw is boogered (about $2.00 to fix), the forend screw is very slightly boogered (another $2.00) and the stock *could* have been fitted better. Not too badly mind you, just not as symmetrically as one would hope.
Other than that, nothing to speak of. Checkering was nice. Stocks had no marks. All the important parts are where they should be. I took calipers and a mike to anything I could think of. Guns fine. Better than fine. Great for what it is, a perfectly servicable $599 firearm made in America by (one presumes, mostly) Americans.
So, the moral is: While the whole Freedom / Cerebrus / Remlin debacle stinks and has lowered the expectations of the Marlin customer, I can safely say that you can choose one of the firearms at random and still get a good one. Perhaps the chance of getting a bad one has increased, but they aren't all bad. I'm fully aware that my MR prefix Remlin will never have any collectors value or be as well regarded as the older alternative, but it's a fine gun. Not exactly a Merkle or a GAP, but better than a Hi-Point or Taurus.
The last thought is sort of an abstract; since this is a $599 gun it seems logical that they aren't all going to be perfect. I mean cripes, they used to sell these things at Big5. It's not some super custom, or even particularly high-end sort of weapon. It's simply a lever action rifle, like the bajillion made before it. Perhaps...perhaps...I was taking internet gossip a little too seriously and should have just bought the first one I found.
My .02.
11/29/2011 2:16:17 PM
Originally Posted By jander:
It's a North Haven gun.
It's a North Haven gun.
If it's a North Haven gun, it's a Marlin or possibly made by Remington from Marlin parts. What are the first two digits of the serial number? The proof mark?
A Remington made gun will have a s/n beginning with MR, and the proof mark will be REP.
I don't buy Smith & Wessons with the Hillary Hole, and I doubt I'll ever buy a Remlin.
11/29/2011 6:24:10 PM
Originally Posted By 217:
This sums up my experience with my new Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but it is way better than the internet rumors would have on believe. I would buy one again.
This sums up my experience with my new Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but it is way better than the internet rumors would have on believe. I would buy one again.
Think what you will but many of us have gone in and tried Remlins and found actions that were junk, triggers that felt like mushy sand, crooked barrels, terrible fitted stocks, and many, many other serious issues. I'm sure that a few got out that were decent, but Remlin didn't shut down their production simply because a few were bad. No, for them to take that drastic of a step, to completely shut down production which essentially is a voluntary going out of business, they had to feel that they had problems that were insurmountable at that junction. It's not likely they'll keep the workforce on the payroll while they retool so startup will be anything but easy, or cheap. In fact, they may never restart their levergun production.
11/30/2011 8:54:43 AM
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
If it's a North Haven gun, it's a Marlin or possibly made by Remington from Marlin parts. What are the first two digits of the serial number? The proof mark?
A Remington made gun will have a s/n beginning with MR, and the proof mark will be REP.
I don't buy Smith & Wessons with the Hillary Hole, and I doubt I'll ever buy a Remlin.
Originally Posted By jander:
It's a North Haven gun.
It's a North Haven gun.
If it's a North Haven gun, it's a Marlin or possibly made by Remington from Marlin parts. What are the first two digits of the serial number? The proof mark?
A Remington made gun will have a s/n beginning with MR, and the proof mark will be REP.
I don't buy Smith & Wessons with the Hillary Hole, and I doubt I'll ever buy a Remlin.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Oh, and a couple things came to mind after I've considered this thread.
1.) One could assume that over time, even the most incompetent machinists and smiths at the factory would eventually improve at their jobs. Perhaps that's in play here.
2.) If in fact production was ceased, perhaps that was as much due to return rate as intrinsic mechanical competency. By the latter I mean that guns were being returned for boogered screws, scratches, etc. as well as true mechanical defects like misaligned sights, canted barrels, etc. *Perhaps* that multiplication of minor ills along with major defects caused the cessation of manufacturing due to a economic calculation. I'm not saying that one shouldn't feel free to return what they think is a defective purchase (for any reason) but perhaps many of the returns that caused the halt were minor and non-mechanical, causing in effect, the company to say "screw it" until they were able to increase their standards of production across the board. Again, not defending the company, but just wondering if more good guns got out than people are willing to admit because of the general insult of the acquisition of Marlin by Cerebrus / Freedom.
And to be sure, I'm not trying to raise anyone's ire, just idle musings.
Oh, and PS, as I've gone through this process I'm even more nauseated by the Remlin issue, despite having scored an okay piece. The whole issue is ugly, lord knows I've read enough about it by now. I just wish there was an American producer of mid / small caliber lever guns. The whole Italian alternative just didn't feel right and they had their own quality issues. I'm wondering if I would have willingly paid more if I could walk into a dealer and without fear or heartache been able to purchase the gun of my desire new-in-the-box without GB heartache or Remlin consternation. Hindsight says I might have, despite what I said in my first post. I think ease and simplicity might have added 10-20% premium to the value (as well as the gut wrenching guilt of supporting Freedom Grp.)
11/30/2011 12:18:21 PM
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
11/30/2011 1:43:14 PM
When I heard Marlin was moving I panic bought a 1895GBL in 45/70.
Very glad I did.
Since then I fell in love with the 45/70 and the guide gun in general.
There are several standard Guide Gun Remlins floating around on the auction boards and I am drawn like a moth to a flame.
Don't know if I should wait or take a chance.
I also would not mind a 336 in 35 Rem.
Very glad I did.
Since then I fell in love with the 45/70 and the guide gun in general.
There are several standard Guide Gun Remlins floating around on the auction boards and I am drawn like a moth to a flame.
Don't know if I should wait or take a chance.
I also would not mind a 336 in 35 Rem.
11/30/2011 2:03:31 PM
Originally Posted By COSteve:
Think what you will but many of us have gone in and tried Remlins and found actions that were junk, triggers that felt like mushy sand, crooked barrels, terrible fitted stocks, and many, many other serious issues. I'm sure that a few got out that were decent, but Remlin didn't shut down their production simply because a few were bad. No, for them to take that drastic of a step, to completely shut down production which essentially is a voluntary going out of business, they had to feel that they had problems that were insurmountable at that junction. It's not likely they'll keep the workforce on the payroll while they retool so startup will be anything but easy, or cheap. In fact, they may never restart their levergun production.
Originally Posted By 217:
This sums up my experience with my new Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but it is way better than the internet rumors would have on believe. I would buy one again.
This sums up my experience with my new Remlin 1894C. It isn't perfect, but it is way better than the internet rumors would have on believe. I would buy one again.
Think what you will but many of us have gone in and tried Remlins and found actions that were junk, triggers that felt like mushy sand, crooked barrels, terrible fitted stocks, and many, many other serious issues. I'm sure that a few got out that were decent, but Remlin didn't shut down their production simply because a few were bad. No, for them to take that drastic of a step, to completely shut down production which essentially is a voluntary going out of business, they had to feel that they had problems that were insurmountable at that junction. It's not likely they'll keep the workforce on the payroll while they retool so startup will be anything but easy, or cheap. In fact, they may never restart their levergun production.
Fair point.
11/30/2011 2:06:33 PM
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Then I am in the same boat. Mine has the REP stamp and North Haven, CT on the barrel.
12/1/2011 10:11:06 AM
I have a 2009 gun that is stamped JM and made in CT, and luckily no issues so far. Seems I got one made by Marlin right as Remington took over. I still lust for a older pre-safety model....
12/1/2011 11:14:24 AM
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
12/1/2011 1:58:06 PM
Originally Posted By jander:
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
That's a tough one. I would prefer to send it back, but until Remington gets their shit together I might wait.
Why don't you contact them and see what they say? If they pay the freight both ways like S&W does ...
12/1/2011 10:02:27 PM
Originally Posted By 217:
Then I am in the same boat. Mine has the REP stamp and North Haven, CT on the barrel.
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Then I am in the same boat. Mine has the REP stamp and North Haven, CT on the barrel.
Same here. Mine is a 1895SBL.
My experience mirrors the OP's.
A little time for an action job and reduced power springs and this thing is a dream. It's literally a one holer at 50 yards with open sights.
12/2/2011 4:36:49 PM
Originally Posted By jander:
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
Sand cuts?
I'd keep it, seeing how you've indicated it shoots. Doubt anyone else will ever know that it's there.
PS to all, good, informative thread. Thanks..this is why the dues get paid.
12/3/2011 9:13:06 AM
Originally Posted By 1911roben:
Sand cuts? I'd keep it, seeing how you've indicated it shoots. Doubt anyone else will ever know that it's there.
PS to all, good, informative thread. Thanks..this is why the dues get paid.
Originally Posted By jander:
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Originally Posted By jander:
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
I believe I misspoke. Further reading has shown that they were allowed to retain the "North Haven" notation on the barrel despite it being produced elsewhere...which is some ugly BS as far as that goes. But the s/n is MR and the proof is REP, which denotes it as late production Remlin. Either way the thing still shoots. Put another 100 rounds through it and it's smoothing up nicely. I'm going to break it down this weekend for some tuning and I'll report back.
Actually that indicates that it was produced by Remington with at least a left over barrel from the old Marlin plant. The ones that are 100% Remington say ILION, NY on the barrel.
Ahh...interesting. I did not know this was the situation with the Ilion mark. A well-timed response too. I had the action apart last night and discovered a gouge in the chamber wall that caused me to flirt with the idea of a return. Now I'm a tad reticent to return and get a Remlin barrel, thinking that perhaps the fact I got a Marlin barrel might be why this gun shoots so well. Hmmm, conflicted.
Well, since I'm in a forum surrounded by experts, perhaps I'll put it out to you all. Action inside was fairly straightforward. Not perfect, but smoothed up acceptably, and will get better with time. Only glaring issues were the sliding surfaces on the top of the bolt, one side of the locking lug, and the lever sides. Since the latter doesn't really matter, and the others polished acceptably, I'm satisfied with the action job. A few more tweaks with the hammer spring tension, and a wild west trigger and this thing would run pretty well.
On the flip side, the chamber has a gouge lengthwise from rear to front. Rather like the sort of thing that would happen if you missed with a cleaning rod or a sharp jag...and that cleaning rod / jag was carbide tipped and pushed in by a monkey. It's the sort of thing that I could do the whole JB Bore Paste / cotton mop / drill thing, and it would smooth down but not polish out. It's just deep enough to be a machining issue. Thus, I'd figure they'd replace the barrel instead of a fix. It doesn't affect feeding at all, and only leaves minor scratches on new brass. Polishing, I suspect would mitigate the latter.
So, what say yee. Should I risk sending it back to Illion or polish it and ignore it. I doubt I can do both.
PS. I'm planning take photos, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd get a macro lens and light down in there to see it. Perhaps tonight or tomorrow I'll pull the action apart and get input on my action job.
Sand cuts?
I'd keep it, seeing how you've indicated it shoots. Doubt anyone else will ever know that it's there.
PS to all, good, informative thread. Thanks..this is why the dues get paid.
Sand cuts...hehheh...perhaps Remlin is now outsourcing to Imbel or DSA. All joking aside, I've come to the same conclusion. Close inspection of fired brass shows no expansion related marking. Just minor scratches from ejection. I suspect I'll be doing a minor chamber polish with a JBPaste / Mop or trying my hand at using a Flex Hone. The latter seeming like it's a slightly better (re: safer, more professional, less likely to affect chamber dimension) solution. Bottom line: I think a polish is the better way to go. That's probably what they'd do, and frankly, I don't want to send it back and lose it to mystery for a bunch of weeks. Better to be the agent of solution, than the maker of problem.
I suppose this all seems a tad anal retentive, but once acquired I like to bring a firearm right up to it's optimum before moving to the next. Fun, and once it goes in the safe I feel like it's ready for it's next 50 years.
Oh, and PS. I know the dues thing here is important. I've been a lurker for a while, and sort of put off by the GD nonsense. Trying on the tech forums for a better fit before I take the leap.
12/3/2011 1:10:59 PM
Well, I'm happy for you that you got a good Remlin. So, there is one documented case of a good Remlin coming from Illion.
However, no gunshop in my town is currently accepting any products from Remlin because they've had to send EVERY ONE back for replacement or refurbishment, neither of which Remington could accomplish.
N=1 is narrative. It is not empirical evidence of anything.
Again, I'm happy for you. No one I know will buy anything other than a JM. No dealers I know will sell anything other than a JM.
However, no gunshop in my town is currently accepting any products from Remlin because they've had to send EVERY ONE back for replacement or refurbishment, neither of which Remington could accomplish.
N=1 is narrative. It is not empirical evidence of anything.
Again, I'm happy for you. No one I know will buy anything other than a JM. No dealers I know will sell anything other than a JM.
12/3/2011 5:21:56 PM
There have been problems with them in the UK. I haven't seen many. They are now very expensive here, and most attempt to purchase pre-Remington models. A friend has just collected two new Marlins, one at the cost of roughly $1700 (I believe .45-70), one at roughly $1400 (.44 Mag). Nice AR-15s are the same money, S/H, lightly used.
12/3/2011 5:36:25 PM
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
12/3/2011 5:53:57 PM
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
There is a good review on the Rossi Rio Grande 45-70 over on Marlin Owners, Bud's has them in blue and stainless, under $500 for either one.
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
12/3/2011 7:01:39 PM
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
There is a good review on the Rossi Rio Grande 45-70 over on Marlin Owners, Bud's has them in blue and stainless, under $500 for either one.
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
There is a good review on the Rossi Rio Grande 45-70 over on Marlin Owners, Bud's has them in blue and stainless, under $500 for either one.
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Seen that and it's an option. Just prefer the looks of the XLR's and older SC Marlins without the barrel bands. I agree that Marlin/Remlin had better get their shit in one sock before companies like Rossi make inroads. Sadly, I fear the bean counters that thought Marlin was a good investment are going to throw them on the trash heap if enough previously loyal customers flee.
12/3/2011 7:14:24 PM
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Seen that and it's an option. Just prefer the looks of the XLR's and older SC Marlins without the barrel bands. I agree that Marlin/Remlin had better get their shit in one sock before companies like Rossi make inroads. Sadly, I fear the bean counters that thought Marlin was a good investment are going to throw them on the trash heap if enough previously loyal customers flee.
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
There is a good review on the Rossi Rio Grande 45-70 over on Marlin Owners, Bud's has them in blue and stainless, under $500 for either one.
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
I would really like a new .45/70GBL, but wouldn't buy one unless the seller would allow me to go over it thoroughly before purchase, and agree to a refund if it didn't function properly after purchase. Have no interest in going through a warranty claim process.
There is a good review on the Rossi Rio Grande 45-70 over on Marlin Owners, Bud's has them in blue and stainless, under $500 for either one.
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Seen that and it's an option. Just prefer the looks of the XLR's and older SC Marlins without the barrel bands. I agree that Marlin/Remlin had better get their shit in one sock before companies like Rossi make inroads. Sadly, I fear the bean counters that thought Marlin was a good investment are going to throw them on the trash heap if enough previously loyal customers flee.
I'm afraid you're right, the best we can hope for is a situation like S&W making revolvers with the Hillary Hole. I don't buy those and don't intend to buy any Remington-Marlins either.
12/5/2011 8:04:27 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By RugRat:
N=1 is narrative. It is not empirical evidence of anything.
Or perhaps...Absence of evidence does not necessarily constitute evidence of absence.
Kidding...kidding...you make a valid point, but I have a positive outlook. I bet my 6 bills that their failure rate wasn't 100%.
N=1 is narrative. It is not empirical evidence of anything.
Or perhaps...Absence of evidence does not necessarily constitute evidence of absence.
Kidding...kidding...you make a valid point, but I have a positive outlook. I bet my 6 bills that their failure rate wasn't 100%.
12/10/2011 5:38:20 PM
Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
I have a 2009 gun that is stamped JM and made in CT, and luckily no issues so far. Seems I got one made by Marlin right as Remington took over. I still lust for a older pre-safety model....
I have a 2009 gun that is stamped JM and made in CT, and luckily no issues so far. Seems I got one made by Marlin right as Remington took over. I still lust for a older pre-safety model....
I got one today in 357mag Cowboy Limited with the same markings in like new condition for $449. I didn't shot it yet but function well loading and ejecting cartridges without a hitch. Clerk said that Marlin doesn't ship any guns and didn't want to barging at all.
12/10/2011 10:10:31 PM
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
12/10/2011 10:25:37 PM
Originally Posted By Talyn:
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
Some former Marlin employees call a whole lotta BS in that article.
12/11/2011 12:02:02 AM
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Some former Marlin employees call a whole lotta BS in that article.
Originally Posted By Talyn:
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
Some former Marlin employees call a whole lotta BS in that article.
What didn't you like about the article & if you did who was the author?
12/11/2011 9:39:26 AM
Originally Posted By Talyn:
What didn't you like about the article & if you did who was the author?
Originally Posted By AirRaceFan:
Some former Marlin employees call a whole lotta BS in that article.
Originally Posted By Talyn:
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
Marl-ington better get their shit together, or they may go the way of Winchester.
Actually that's a good idea. Winchester was dealing with the same bad & obsolete business model that Marlin just went through. Old obsolete equipment that was labor intensive & a higher-cost location. Now Winchester is coming back with a relocation to a more business friendly area, modern manufacturing equipment & a new business model for a very competitive & low-margin industry.
There's a good article in the Jan 2012 issue of Rifle magazine that outlines things well. Given some time & re-alignment Marlin should be going the way of Winchester & rebuild their business & prduct line. If some want to trash the change of business & not be supportive of Marlin then they're really not Marlin fans, & Marlin will go the way of the Delorean.
I'll be patient as Marlin rebuilds itself. My next "new" lever-action will be a Marlin no matter what others want to call it.
My .02
Some former Marlin employees call a whole lotta BS in that article.
What didn't you like about the article & if you did who was the author?
There is an interesting rebuttal to the article in the Rant section on Marlinowners.
12/11/2011 11:04:57 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinons. However, businesses have to modernize and adapt to a tough business environment. As others have said here & on the Marlonowners thread all we can hope for is Marlin to become a better company & able to manufacture the product line competitively.
There's no doubt that there are hard feelings but if some don't want the new ownership to succeed then Marlin will go down. Look at /for the Marlin clones coming from Brazil.
My .02
There's no doubt that there are hard feelings but if some don't want the new ownership to succeed then Marlin will go down. Look at /for the Marlin clones coming from Brazil.
My .02
12/11/2011 11:55:40 AM
I certainly hope Marlin doesn't go the way of the dinosaurs either. There's little question that the transfer has not gone smoothly though. My main worry is that the folks at Remington/FG may not have the patience to get it right if the profit projections they undoubtedly had are not met. If that happens, they may cut their losses and toss Marlin aside. There's little question Marlin was successful and profitable. That's why they were bought. Would they have remained that way without outside help? Only the test of time would have revealed whether they would or would not have. Anything else, IMO, is just conjecture on my or anyone else's part.
I just hate it when a successful and stable company is gobbled up and essentially told "despite your reputation and decades of success, you've been doing it wrong". Hopefully the new Marlin employees will take the same pride that the former ones did and get this ship righted. However, after handling a less than impressively finished and very rough cycling 336BL Remlin last week, I will hold my breath only so long.
I just hate it when a successful and stable company is gobbled up and essentially told "despite your reputation and decades of success, you've been doing it wrong". Hopefully the new Marlin employees will take the same pride that the former ones did and get this ship righted. However, after handling a less than impressively finished and very rough cycling 336BL Remlin last week, I will hold my breath only so long.
