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Heritage, scratch n dent sale
11/17/2011 7:15:44 PM
With a quality safe on my short list of things I need, I heard a radio ad for the scratch n dent clearance sale locally. With factory reps on hand, blah blah blah.
I will probably hold out for the Sturdy but I think I'll go check out the Heritage safes just for giggles.
I'm not a big scratch n dent fan but you never know. What should I look for? and are the Heritage safes a good or middle of the road quality?
I will probably hold out for the Sturdy but I think I'll go check out the Heritage safes just for giggles.
I'm not a big scratch n dent fan but you never know. What should I look for? and are the Heritage safes a good or middle of the road quality?
11/17/2011 7:28:34 PM
Your not going to find a quality safe if you go look at Heritage's product.
They are tack welded bodies.
They also don't fire test their product, they estimate the fire ratings on them.
They are tack welded bodies.
They also don't fire test their product, they estimate the fire ratings on them.
11/17/2011 8:44:01 PM
Thanks, you saved me a trip.
11/17/2011 10:06:47 PM
Originally Posted By chase237:
With a quality safe on my short list of things I need, I heard a radio ad for the scratch n dent clearance sale locally. With factory reps on hand, blah blah blah.
I will probably hold out for the Sturdy but I think I'll go check out the Heritage safes just for giggles.
I'm not a big scratch n dent fan but you never know. What should I look for? and are the Heritage safes a good or middle of the road quality?
With a quality safe on my short list of things I need, I heard a radio ad for the scratch n dent clearance sale locally. With factory reps on hand, blah blah blah.
I will probably hold out for the Sturdy but I think I'll go check out the Heritage safes just for giggles.
I'm not a big scratch n dent fan but you never know. What should I look for? and are the Heritage safes a good or middle of the road quality?
After humming and hah-hing and counting my pennies, I called sturdy for a blem. They are not available often but if you are patient and followup regularly (without being a PITA) will get one. I saved serious cash and though I have yet to take delivery have $3k into a safe that is worth substantially more. A comparable FK is 6K. My wife has even said that she "understands" the purchase. Patience grasshopper. And their CS is great.
11/17/2011 10:18:32 PM
It's funny. I am looking for a sake too. I called up Sturday and asked about blems. The lady I spoke with said the most I would save on a blem safe would be a hundred bucks or so. Based on what I've heard on this forum I was expecting a much better savings....
11/17/2011 11:24:13 PM
I was expecting a much better savings....
I could see the potential for a larger discount on a safe with a fabulous paint job. Otherwise, safes are tools, and the paint has little to do with what they are designed to do. Since you're not loosing any function, I don't see where any company would give any serious discounts. Perhaps if the safe was dented, but then again, if the safe can dent how safe is it to begin with?
The only real way to save money on a safe purchase is to find one used. That's easier said than done, but if you're patient, something will come along.
11/18/2011 10:48:42 AM
It is a pretty common misconception that a blem will save you hundreds of dollars on a safe. Fact is, there is not a ton of money into the paint jobs on the safes.
11/18/2011 4:08:28 PM
Originally Posted By a1abdj:
I could see the potential for a larger discount on a safe with a fabulous paint job. Otherwise, safes are tools, and the paint has little to do with what they are designed to do. Since you're not loosing any function, I don't see where any company would give any serious discounts. Perhaps if the safe was dented, but then again, if the safe can dent how safe is it to begin with?
The only real way to save money on a safe purchase is to find one used. That's easier said than done, but if you're patient, something will come along.
I was expecting a much better savings....
I could see the potential for a larger discount on a safe with a fabulous paint job. Otherwise, safes are tools, and the paint has little to do with what they are designed to do. Since you're not loosing any function, I don't see where any company would give any serious discounts. Perhaps if the safe was dented, but then again, if the safe can dent how safe is it to begin with?
The only real way to save money on a safe purchase is to find one used. That's easier said than done, but if you're patient, something will come along.
I understand where you are coming from.... Sturday safes are functional and very utilitarian. I agree, that case a cosmetic blem wouldn't really make the safe much less desirable from a resale point than one without the blem. My comment was made because I've seen several people post that they've gotten significent discounts on Sturdy's by buying blem safes. I called up and the discount was negligable. IDue to what I've read on the net, I thought it would be more.
I am searching for a safe myself and will def check out what is availible on the used market. That seems to be where the value is.
11/18/2011 4:11:08 PM
Originally Posted By Snopczynski:
It is a pretty common misconception that a blem will save you hundreds of dollars on a safe. Fact is, there is not a ton of money into the paint jobs on the safes.
It is a pretty common misconception that a blem will save you hundreds of dollars on a safe. Fact is, there is not a ton of money into the paint jobs on the safes.
Says the guy with a flame job on his safe. Very cool artwork for a safe.
11/18/2011 4:26:10 PM
Originally Posted By 1Evil55:
Says the guy with a flame job on his safe. Very cool artwork for a safe.
Originally Posted By Snopczynski:
It is a pretty common misconception that a blem will save you hundreds of dollars on a safe. Fact is, there is not a ton of money into the paint jobs on the safes.
It is a pretty common misconception that a blem will save you hundreds of dollars on a safe. Fact is, there is not a ton of money into the paint jobs on the safes.
Says the guy with a flame job on his safe. Very cool artwork for a safe.
That was something custom we had done by an airbrush artist.
11/18/2011 4:28:11 PM
Diggin it
11/18/2011 6:48:48 PM
Originally Posted By rssc:
I understand where you are coming from.... Sturday safes are functional and very utilitarian. I agree, that case a cosmetic blem wouldn't really make the safe much less desirable from a resale point than one without the blem. My comment was made because I've seen several people post that they've gotten significent discounts on Sturdy's by buying blem safes. I called up and the discount was negligable. IDue to what I've read on the net, I thought it would be more.
I am searching for a safe myself and will def check out what is availible on the used market. That seems to be where the value is.
Originally Posted By a1abdj:
I could see the potential for a larger discount on a safe with a fabulous paint job. Otherwise, safes are tools, and the paint has little to do with what they are designed to do. Since you're not loosing any function, I don't see where any company would give any serious discounts. Perhaps if the safe was dented, but then again, if the safe can dent how safe is it to begin with?
The only real way to save money on a safe purchase is to find one used. That's easier said than done, but if you're patient, something will come along.
I was expecting a much better savings....
I could see the potential for a larger discount on a safe with a fabulous paint job. Otherwise, safes are tools, and the paint has little to do with what they are designed to do. Since you're not loosing any function, I don't see where any company would give any serious discounts. Perhaps if the safe was dented, but then again, if the safe can dent how safe is it to begin with?
The only real way to save money on a safe purchase is to find one used. That's easier said than done, but if you're patient, something will come along.
I understand where you are coming from.... Sturday safes are functional and very utilitarian. I agree, that case a cosmetic blem wouldn't really make the safe much less desirable from a resale point than one without the blem. My comment was made because I've seen several people post that they've gotten significent discounts on Sturdy's by buying blem safes. I called up and the discount was negligable. IDue to what I've read on the net, I thought it would be more.
I am searching for a safe myself and will def check out what is availible on the used market. That seems to be where the value is.
The "severity" of blem also is a factor. If you have a paint scuff that is one thing, I was fortunate to have the time that they had a sheet of steel delivery that was rippled. From a security standpoint not an issue but most that will shell out $4000 for a safe....want a clean look. They said it was will be noticeable but will not effect the integrity. I am putting the safe in a corner so guess what side is against a concrete wall? I saved more than most. I think you either want it now and pay or are patient and may save 5-20%. It is like most purchases, you have time frame, cost, and quality, you can only get 2 of these at any given time.
11/24/2011 12:32:06 AM
Originally Posted By Snopczynski:
Your not going to find a quality safe if you go look at Heritage's product.
They are tack welded bodies.
They also don't fire test their product, they estimate the fire ratings on them.
Your not going to find a quality safe if you go look at Heritage's product.
They are tack welded bodies.
They also don't fire test their product, they estimate the fire ratings on them.
Proof? They state that they are continously welded in one of their brochures. I also called them and they claimed they are all continously welded except a few of the very large models to allow for a bit of flexibilty while being moved.
Not trying to be a dick, just curious.
11/24/2011 1:27:05 AM
they claimed they are all continously welded except a few of the very large models to allow for flexibilty while being moved.
Gun safe manufacturers never cease to amaze me.
11/24/2011 12:28:16 PM
Originally Posted By SixSquared:
Proof? They state that they are continously welded in one of their brochures. I also called them and they claimed they are all continously welded except a few of the very large models to allow for a bit of flexibilty while being moved.
Not trying to be a dick, just curious.
Originally Posted By Snopczynski:
Your not going to find a quality safe if you go look at Heritage's product.
They are tack welded bodies.
They also don't fire test their product, they estimate the fire ratings on them.
Your not going to find a quality safe if you go look at Heritage's product.
They are tack welded bodies.
They also don't fire test their product, they estimate the fire ratings on them.
Proof? They state that they are continously welded in one of their brochures. I also called them and they claimed they are all continously welded except a few of the very large models to allow for a bit of flexibilty while being moved.
Not trying to be a dick, just curious.
One, the fact that they told you the large models were not for flexibility blew everything they told you right out of the water. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard a manufacturer say.
Two, we used to sell their products and I have a few amazing photos at work on my pc of some of the stuff they have sent us. There is a pic of a door frame where they had the 3/8" square tube for the door frame welded on one side (bottom of the door), and then on the other side it was 1/4" above the frame. That left a 1/4" gap outside the fire seal for heat to get into the safe, not to mention the frame was not supported for most of the bottom door length.
Three, I was on hand at this fire test and took these pics. The 75 minute rated heritage they fire tested at a 1,200 degree external temp got over 350 degrees inside the safe in 26 minutes. It was a 60x30 sized safe. When they fire tested it, they put pyrometer probes in them.
