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MurdochsM4  [Member]
9/23/2009 5:32:13 PM EST
I am a non-ffl trying to find a dealers FFL number so that I can do an ATF EZ Check.

All of the online searches only show this dealers address - not the FFL number.

Can anyone help
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P08  [Team Member]
9/23/2009 5:42:57 PM EST
You will not find that number anywhere but on the license. Are you selling a gun, or did you sell one already? If you have not sent the gun wait to get the number before shipping.
MurdochsM4  [Member]
9/23/2009 5:46:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By P08:
You will not find that number anywhere but on the license. Are you selling a gun, or did you sell one already? If you have not sent the gun wait to get the number before shipping.


thanks, but there used to be a section on gunslive with all the numbers and rainier arms lists a bunch - but not this place; so they are some online if you know where to look I guess - just not this one.

Is there a number at the ATF I can call?

dk148  [Member]
9/23/2009 6:48:01 PM EST
Contact the dealer and ask for it.

You only need the first 3 and last 5 to use the eZ check.
RenegadeX  [Team Member]
9/24/2009 4:50:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By dk148:
Contact the dealer and ask for it.

You only need the first 3 and last 5 to use the eZ check.

+1

The dealer is supposed to supply it and then you use EZ-Check to verify it.
-JC-  [Moderator]
9/24/2009 8:37:24 AM EST
Have the dealer email/Fax/mail it to you so you can physically have it for your records.

Verify the number using EZ-Check and then ship the weapon to the address listed on the FFL ONLY.
rcoers  [Team Member]
9/24/2009 11:47:58 AM EST
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info
guncrank1  [Team Member]
9/24/2009 2:23:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By -JC-:
Have the dealer email/Fax/mail it to you so you can physically have it for your records.

Verify the number using EZ-Check and then ship the weapon to the address listed on the FFL ONLY.


Sorry but this is a bone for me, that statement is not neccerly true.


May one license cover several locations? [Back]

No. A separate license must be obtained for each location. However, storage facilities are not required to be covered by a separate license, although the records maintained on licensed premises must reflect all firearms held in the separate storage facility. Firearms may be shipped directly to separate storage facilities as long as they are properly recorded as an acquisition in the licensee's records.

[27 CFR 478.50]

If the storage is not on the FFL then can you ship to that address? IMO that the answer would be yes. Now in my case the storage is my mailing address, so it is on the FFL. Some FFL holders contune to ship to the premise address for what ever reason. The biggest one is BS "the ATF says that I can only ship to primise" See 27 CFR 437.50
OK you do what you want my rant is off now. Sorry if I offended any one

CEW
RenegadeX  [Team Member]
9/24/2009 3:03:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By -JC-:
Have the dealer email/Fax/mail it to you so you can physically have it for your records.


Just ask for the number and verify it through EZ-Check.
MurdochsM4  [Member]
9/24/2009 3:03:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcoers:
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info


I guess Ill do this and call the ATF; the FFL won't give it to me.

MurdochsM4  [Member]
9/28/2009 10:52:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
Originally Posted By rcoers:
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info


I guess Ill do this and call the ATF; the FFL won't give it to me.



So I called an ATF field office to confirm the FFL and the lady was rude and started grilling me about the transaction; I then gave here the name and address to lookup and she said she would have to call me back - then she never called me back.

Government agencies are useless.

ryknoll3  [Team Member]
9/28/2009 9:01:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
Originally Posted By rcoers:
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info


I guess Ill do this and call the ATF; the FFL won't give it to me.



He won't even give you the first 3-last 5? What a tool.

I sold a gun to a guy in MI and his dealer faxed me a copy of his license.

I sold a gun to a guy in TX and that dealer didn't want to send his license. I asked him to give me the first 3 - last 5 for EZ Check and he didn't know what I was talking about. He had to call his partner and then had me call back. He ended up giving me the number. I just printed the EZ check screen, and stapled it to the bill of sale I typed up, and the Gunbroker page showing the auction ended and who it was sold to. I keep this for my records.
dk148  [Member]
9/29/2009 1:02:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
Originally Posted By rcoers:
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info


I guess Ill do this and call the ATF; the FFL won't give it to me.



So I called an ATF field office to confirm the FFL and the lady was rude and started grilling me about the transaction; I then gave here the name and address to lookup and she said she would have to call me back - then she never called me back.

Government agencies are useless.



Call the buyer and tell him you are having problems confirming the FFL's address and explain the situation to him, maybe he can get the FFL to send you the first three and last five numbers. And if that doesn't work pass on the deal unless the buyer finds another FFL.

ryknoll3  [Team Member]
9/29/2009 7:39:53 PM EST
I guess your last resort is that you could tell the buyer that if he wants to use that FFL and you have to transfer through a dealer on your end, he will have to cover all costs you incur with that.
Guido1  [Team Member]
10/3/2009 4:47:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By ryknoll3:
Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
Originally Posted By rcoers:
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info


I guess Ill do this and call the ATF; the FFL won't give it to me.



He won't even give you the first 3-last 5? What a tool.

I sold a gun to a guy in MI and his dealer faxed me a copy of his license.

I sold a gun to a guy in TX and that dealer didn't want to send his license. I asked him to give me the first 3 - last 5 for EZ Check and he didn't know what I was talking about. He had to call his partner and then had me call back. He ended up giving me the number. I just printed the EZ check screen, and stapled it to the bill of sale I typed up, and the Gunbroker page showing the auction ended and who it was sold to. I keep this for my records.

Be careful with this!! This is straight off the EZ check screen:
"Warning: No one may use this screen, in lieu of the required certified copy of a Federal Firearms License, to acquire a firearm."



There is no reason teh receiving dealer can't e-mail or fax you a copy of his license. I do it 10 times a week!
rcoers  [Team Member]
10/3/2009 5:32:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Guido1:

Originally Posted By ryknoll3:
Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
Originally Posted By rcoers:
Call your local ATF office, they can look it up. It's public info


I guess Ill do this and call the ATF; the FFL won't give it to me.



He won't even give you the first 3-last 5? What a tool.

I sold a gun to a guy in MI and his dealer faxed me a copy of his license.

I sold a gun to a guy in TX and that dealer didn't want to send his license. I asked him to give me the first 3 - last 5 for EZ Check and he didn't know what I was talking about. He had to call his partner and then had me call back. He ended up giving me the number. I just printed the EZ check screen, and stapled it to the bill of sale I typed up, and the Gunbroker page showing the auction ended and who it was sold to. I keep this for my records.

Be careful with this!! This is straight off the EZ check screen:
"Warning: No one may use this screen, in lieu of the required certified copy of a Federal Firearms License, to acquire a firearm."



There is no reason teh receiving dealer can't e-mail or fax you a copy of his license. I do it 10 times a week!


Unless the OP is a dealer he doesn't need a copy of the license.
coctailer  [Team Member]
10/4/2009 6:01:32 PM EST
If someone wants to send me a gun, I understand that they would like to confirm that I really have a valid FFL.

So I send them a copy................simple...........

If the FFL won't provide a copy of his license, then there is something shady going on.
RenegadeX  [Team Member]
10/4/2009 6:07:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By coctailer:
If someone wants to send me a gun, I understand that they would like to confirm that I really have a valid FFL.

So I send them a copy................simple...........

If the FFL won't provide a copy of his license, then there is something shady going on.

That is the purpose of EZ-check, to confirm the FFL has a gun. A non licensee has no legal need for an FFL copy, and if he insists he needs it, that sounds shady to me.
coctailer  [Team Member]
10/5/2009 7:22:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By coctailer:
If someone wants to send me a gun, I understand that they would like to confirm that I really have a valid FFL.

So I send them a copy................simple...........

If the FFL won't provide a copy of his license, then there is something shady going on.

That is the purpose of EZ-check, to confirm the FFL has a gun. A non licensee has no legal need for an FFL copy, and if he insists he needs it, that sounds shady to me.


Why would that sound shady?

Non-FFLs don't know the rules back and forth.

They are just trying to cover their bases and stay legal............does that seem shady?

The FFL is being an ass by trying to make it difficult and to prove a point.

I would find a different FFL.




RenegadeX  [Team Member]
10/5/2009 9:23:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By coctailer:
If someone wants to send me a gun, I understand that they would like to confirm that I really have a valid FFL.

So I send them a copy................simple...........

If the FFL won't provide a copy of his license, then there is something shady going on.

That is the purpose of EZ-check, to confirm the FFL has a gun. A non licensee has no legal need for an FFL copy, and if he insists he needs it, that sounds shady to me.


Why would that sound shady?

Non-FFLs don't know the rules back and forth.

They are just trying to cover their bases and stay legal............does that seem shady?



They may try to use it to obtain firearms in the name of the FFL business.

For the Umpteenth time: a NON-FFL covers his base and stays legal by using EZ-Check.
coctailer  [Team Member]
10/5/2009 2:16:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By coctailer:
If someone wants to send me a gun, I understand that they would like to confirm that I really have a valid FFL.

So I send them a copy................simple...........

If the FFL won't provide a copy of his license, then there is something shady going on.

That is the purpose of EZ-check, to confirm the FFL has a gun. A non licensee has no legal need for an FFL copy, and if he insists he needs it, that sounds shady to me.


Why would that sound shady?

Non-FFLs don't know the rules back and forth.

They are just trying to cover their bases and stay legal............does that seem shady?



They may try to use it to obtain firearms in the name of the FFL business.

For the Umpteenth time: a NON-FFL covers his base and stays legal by using EZ-Check.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...............

If he uses it to buy guns, then he has his own issues to work out

They can use EZ-check, your right, but if my customer (my employer) wants warm fuzzys by possessing my FFL for his records, then I will fax him one. I'm not going to kick him in the nutz and tell him he is wrong.

For the Umpteenth time: There is nothing wrong with giving a non-FFL a copy of your license and making them comfortable.
DogtownTom  [Team Member]
10/5/2009 4:45:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By coctailer:
If someone wants to send me a gun, I understand that they would like to confirm that I really have a valid FFL.

So I send them a copy................simple...........

If the FFL won't provide a copy of his license, then there is something shady going on.

That is the purpose of EZ-check, to confirm the FFL has a gun. A non licensee has no legal need for an FFL copy, and if he insists he needs it, that sounds shady to me.


Why would that sound shady?

Non-FFLs don't know the rules back and forth.

They are just trying to cover their bases and stay legal............does that seem shady?



They may try to use it to obtain firearms in the name of the FFL business.

For the Umpteenth time: a NON-FFL covers his base and stays legal by using EZ-Check.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...............

If he uses it to buy guns, then he has his own issues to work out

They can use EZ-check, your right, but if my customer (my employer) wants warm fuzzys by possessing my FFL for his records, then I will fax him one. I'm not going to kick him in the nutz and tell him he is wrong.

For the Umpteenth time: There is nothing wrong with giving a non-FFL a copy of your license and making them comfortable.


True. But............the only time i basically told a nonFFL to kiss my wrinkled hiney was when I did a transfer for one of my customers last spring. I emailed the seller a copy of my FFL two hours after his GB auction closed. Two days later he tells my customer that it was illegal to use an emailed FFL, "everyone thinks you can fax 'em too, but ATF don't allow that..." He then sent me an email and DEMANDED an original, signed in blue ink copy of my FFL. I asked why an emailed copy wasn't sufficient- he replied that it was for his records and he only accepted original sigs on the FFL as faxes and emailed weren't allowed. When I told him where to look on my FFL for the statement that both emailed and faxed FFLs are acceptable he got real nasty and said I was trying "something fishy"

My last email was basically "sorry about your personal policies, but ATF and I are in complete agreement that ALL YOU NEED as a non FFL is my FFL number, but as I was gracious enough to send the actual FFL by email he should be satisfied with that. If not he should contact his local ATF office. I then added in that I was sure that ATF would be interested in a non dealer who has 600+ transactions on Gun Broker who is requiring FFL's to treat him like a licensed dealer- which he was not.

Two hours later he sent me an apology and four days later my customers gun arrived.

coctailer  [Team Member]
10/5/2009 4:49:33 PM EST
ZING!!!!

I like that one!!!
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