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dtleigh95  [Member]
10/26/2010 11:55:39 AM EST
just got a new steyr filled the mag with some bulk pack remington fired one to 3 shots before fte any ideas? I wasn't using a can tried both gas settings anyone else experience a rough break in period? thanks
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BR870  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 1:07:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
just got a new steyr filled the mag with some bulk pack remington fired one to 3 shots before fte any ideas? I wasn't using a can tried both gas settings anyone else experience a rough break in period? thanks

Its probably your magazine. How many mags have you tried? There was a problem batch of mags that went out with some of the guns. Send the mags back to Steyr and they will replace them no questions asked...

ETA: FWIW, in my notes of 48 AUG A3 owners on this site, 6 had cycling issues caused by a problem magazine. Thats why I lean towards it being the mag. There always a chance its something else, but until the mag issue is eliminated I would look there first... And yes, I keep notes on every AUG A3 owners experiences.
asicmsar  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 1:10:46 PM EST
please don't take offense to these questions but your original post does not answer them:

1. did you clean and lube the AUG prior to taking it to the range, if so how and with what product(s)?

2. did you attempt to fire the AUG after inserting a magazine loaded with only one round, if so what happened?
(yes i know aug's dont have last round bolt hold open but i still use it a diagnosis tool)

3. what does the FTE look like? is it a double feed or a stove pipe? is the case left in the chamber with the rim ripped off?

4. does the ejection system work when hand cycling the weapon?
kfeltenberger  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 1:21:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By asicmsar:
please don't take offense to these questions but your original post does not answer them:

1. did you clean and lube the AUG prior to taking it to the range, if so how and with what product(s)?

2. did you attempt to fire the AUG after inserting a magazine loaded with only one round, if so what happened?
(yes i know aug's dont have last round bolt hold open but i still use it a diagnosis tool)

3. what does the FTE look like? is it a double feed or a stove pipe? is the case left in the chamber with the rim ripped off?

4. does the ejection system work when hand cycling the weapon?


The AUGs do have a last round bolt hold open. The A1/A2/USR you have to cycle the charging handle to release the bolt and the A3 has a release. The NATO stocks don't have a hold open, IIRC, but the others do.
sgtlmj  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 2:17:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By BR870:And yes, I keep notes on every AUG A3 owners experiences.


Stalker!
BR870  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 2:24:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtlmj:
Originally Posted By BR870:And yes, I keep notes on every AUG A3 owners experiences.


Stalker!
You'll always be my favorite

asicmsar  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 2:54:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By kfeltenberger:
Originally Posted By asicmsar:
please don't take offense to these questions but your original post does not answer them:

1. did you clean and lube the AUG prior to taking it to the range, if so how and with what product(s)?

2. did you attempt to fire the AUG after inserting a magazine loaded with only one round, if so what happened?
(yes i know aug's dont have last round bolt hold open but i still use it a diagnosis tool)

3. what does the FTE look like? is it a double feed or a stove pipe? is the case left in the chamber with the rim ripped off?

4. does the ejection system work when hand cycling the weapon?


The AUGs do have a last round bolt hold open. The A1/A2/USR you have to cycle the charging handle to release the bolt and the A3 has a release. The NATO stocks don't have a hold open, IIRC, but the others do.


don't know what i was thinking, looks like all augs, even nato, have last round hold open.
thanks for correcting me, another reason to perform the function test.
texasyid  [Member]
10/26/2010 3:17:38 PM EST
In my experience with my Steyr AUG I would say it is the US mags. Get some Austrian mags and you should be good to go. As said call Steyr and they will hook you up. Keep the US mags so you will have them to be 922R compliant.
BR870  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 3:52:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By texasyid:
In my experience with my Steyr AUG I would say it is the US mags. Get some Austrian mags and you should be good to go. As said call Steyr and they will hook you up. Keep the US mags so you will have them to be 922R compliant.

Even with the US mags, it was only a limited batch of them that were effected. Unfortunately, that batch is the one that went out with some of the rifles. As said, in my notes 42 out of 48 owners reported no problems with their US mags (and yes I have you in my notes as one of those 6 that did ).

The US mags are just fine except a small minority that were in the batch that went out with some of the rifles...
texasyid  [Member]
10/26/2010 4:31:43 PM EST
OMG we are being watched. I got SER #134 of the first batch. When I sent the mags back to Steyr they ran some rounds through them and had no problems. I still wanted Austrian mags and they sent them no charge.
BR870  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 4:36:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By texasyid:
OMG we are being watched. I got SER #134 of the first batch. When I sent the mags back to Steyr they ran some rounds through them and had no problems. I still wanted Austrian mags and they sent them no charge.

Yes... I am everywhere. I see all... Muahahahahahaha!
jagdkommando  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 4:41:00 PM EST
I bet your rifle will run with that mag if you put some CLP on the bolt and carrier, and then run some decent ammo through it. The Remington 55 grain ammo is not loaded very hot. CLP and XM193, it will run with that mag. After it is "broken in", it will run on the Remington. Enjoy your new rifle!

DR
GregCandR  [Member]
10/26/2010 4:54:04 PM EST
The Creepy list emerges once again.
powerpimp  [Team Member]
10/26/2010 5:28:36 PM EST

texasyid  [Member]
10/26/2010 5:46:27 PM EST
I bet your rifle will run with that mag if you put some CLP on the bolt and carrier, and then run some decent ammo through it. The Remington 55 grain ammo is not loaded very hot. CLP and XM193, it will run with that mag. After it is "broken in", it will run on the Remington. Enjoy your new rifle!

DR
Wisdom
dtleigh95  [Member]
10/27/2010 2:56:41 AM EST
No clean or lube I just locked and loaded
Yes cycles with one round only tried twice
The fte is the bolt won't come back all the way to toss the case and pick up a new one
It ejects fine manually
dtleigh95  [Member]
10/27/2010 3:03:18 AM EST
(Powerpimp) I was nice this time no sandy vagina I will give it a good cleaning pliers won't fix this one I will try to contact steyr to see about the mags. I will make some hot rounds on the bench later today and see how they cycle.
KG mauserman  [Member]
10/27/2010 3:44:11 AM EST
if you have one of the early ones they had an issue with the piece that the charging handle attaches too being too big. It wouldn't slide back and forth inside of the reciever like it should have and would get stuck on the rod as well creating a lot of extra friction which could induce a failure to eject. Contact styer usa and they will make it right.
BR870  [Team Member]
10/27/2010 5:07:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By KG mauserman:
if you have one of the early ones they had an issue with the piece that the charging handle attaches too being too big. It wouldn't slide back and forth inside of the reciever like it should have and would get stuck on the rod as well creating a lot of extra friction which could induce a failure to eject. Contact styer usa and they will make it right.

This may be it too, but there were only 3 cases that I know of, and all were very early with "excessively stiff charging" that did not improve with use.
noisemaker21  [Member]
10/28/2010 11:12:46 AM EST
Mine was a bear to charge when I first got her. Just took some good ole break-in time and decent ammo. It likes 5.56 loadings in the 55 grain arena. American Eagle tends to throw powder back in my face from the break but shoots just fine.



I overuse this pic below... pretty proud of this weapon.

Heath3493  [Member]
10/28/2010 11:42:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
just got a new steyr filled the mag with some bulk pack remington fired one to 3 shots before fte any ideas? I wasn't using a can tried both gas settings anyone else experience a rough break in period? thanks


This is probably way off base, but I bought a Steyr AUG A1 that had a similar problem. It turns out that the guy I bought it from had two versions took them both apart and reassembled mine with the wrong hammer pack and sent a NATO hammer pack instead of the original. He sent the right one and my AUG has been problem free for over 5k rounds.
dtleigh95  [Member]
10/30/2010 3:48:45 PM EST
Thanks all good info for me to look into. My question is what happened to the simple pull out of the box and shoot rifle? Is it a dying breed the last rifle I took out of the box was the fnar before that was my marlin .22 tube fed thousands of rounds other than a cleaning the bore and spraying some rem oil into the action has functioned flawless. Winchester model 94 another good to go out of the box granted it isn't an auto loader but no gas regulation to f with and you know it is going to go band every time you pull the trigger. Is it me or is technology causing more problems or should I just go back to nothing but a simple single shot riffle?
BR870  [Team Member]
10/30/2010 4:15:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
Thanks all good info for me to look into. My question is what happened to the simple pull out of the box and shoot rifle? Is it a dying breed the last rifle I took out of the box was the fnar before that was my marlin .22 tube fed thousands of rounds other than a cleaning the bore and spraying some rem oil into the action has functioned flawless. Winchester model 94 another good to go out of the box granted it isn't an auto loader but no gas regulation to f with and you know it is going to go band every time you pull the trigger. Is it me or is technology causing more problems or should I just go back to nothing but a simple single shot riffle?
Some gun makers put packing grease or long term storage oils and other stuff on the gun before sending it out. They have no idea how long it will sit at a dealers or in a warehouse before it finds a home. That stuff is not designed to be cycled, and is there to protect the finish. It really needs to be cleaned out. Others the metal is practically bare except the finish with no lube at all.

Also, its not uncommon to find metal shavings and bits of cardboard and stuff like that that... None of it is good for the action. Dude, you should always clean a gun first....
asicmsar  [Team Member]
10/30/2010 4:21:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
Thanks all good info for me to look into. My question is what happened to the simple pull out of the box and shoot rifle? Is it a dying breed the last rifle I took out of the box was the fnar before that was my marlin .22 tube fed thousands of rounds other than a cleaning the bore and spraying some rem oil into the action has functioned flawless. Winchester model 94 another good to go out of the box granted it isn't an auto loader but no gas regulation to f with and you know it is going to go band every time you pull the trigger. Is it me or is technology causing more problems or should I just go back to nothing but a simple single shot riffle?


perhaps it's because technology allows for more precise machining, assembly line production, and an increasingly complex firearm (single shot bolt action compared to semi automatic magazine fed). less "wiggle room" can mean improved accuracy but may also require a break in period to allow some components to create enough space to work properly. tighter tolerances and a semi automatic mechanism can sometimes increase the need for some form of lubrication; lubrication that may not be applied on the gun when it ships from the factory.

of the six semi auto rifles i've purchased in the last five years only one has to be repaired due to a factory error, the chrome lining in the chamber was too thick causing the chamber to be too tight which resulted in FTE and double feeds.

ETA:
for reasons posted by others, i always clean a gun that is new to me prior to shooting it.
dtleigh95  [Member]
10/31/2010 10:25:46 AM EST
I guess its time to face the fact and toss my old ways aside and give every gun a proper cleaning before trying to dump a mag of happiness. Thanks for the advise.
dtleigh95  [Member]
11/2/2010 4:49:03 AM EST
noisemaker21 I made the goose the background on my pc love that pic I have been out in the back yard trying to snipe off flying squirrels in mid flight to top it but it is almost impossible
noisemaker21  [Member]
11/2/2010 1:16:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
noisemaker21 I made the goose the background on my pc love that pic I have been out in the back yard trying to snipe off flying squirrels in mid flight to top it but it is almost impossible


Got a pidgeon out of mid-air with my PS90 once! It suprised both me and the dog! LOL

Flying objects and offhand hits with a bullpup seem to be easier for me. I bring it out coyote hunting because I don't have to drag a 24" bull barreled AR to feel like a man and add weight to the snowshoes.

Out of all the bullpups I have... the AUG is my favorite by no small measure.
MTguns  [Team Member]
11/2/2010 2:52:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By noisemaker21:
Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
noisemaker21 I made the goose the background on my pc love that pic I have been out in the back yard trying to snipe off flying squirrels in mid flight to top it but it is almost impossible


Got a pidgeon out of mid-air with my PS90 once! It suprised both me and the dog! LOL

Flying objects and offhand hits with a bullpup seem to be easier for me. I bring it out coyote hunting because I don't have to drag a 24" bull barreled AR to feel like a man and add weight to the snowshoes.

Out of all the bullpups I have... the AUG is my favorite by no small measure.


Not to mention the pidgeon
Greg3  [Team Member]
11/2/2010 3:12:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By MTguns:
Originally Posted By noisemaker21:
Originally Posted By dtleigh95:
noisemaker21 I made the goose the background on my pc love that pic I have been out in the back yard trying to snipe off flying squirrels in mid flight to top it but it is almost impossible


Got a pidgeon out of mid-air with my PS90 once! It suprised both me and the dog! LOL

Flying objects and offhand hits with a bullpup seem to be easier for me. I bring it out coyote hunting because I don't have to drag a 24" bull barreled AR to feel like a man and add weight to the snowshoes.

Out of all the bullpups I have... the AUG is my favorite by no small measure.


Not to mention the pidgeon


LOL, No $hit!
Bubbatheredneck  [Team Member]
11/4/2010 5:15:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By noisemaker21:
Mine was a bear to charge when I first got her. Just took some good ole break-in time and decent ammo. It likes 5.56 loadings in the 55 grain arena. American Eagle tends to throw powder back in my face from the break but shoots just fine.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o68/noisemaker21/SANY0589.jpg

I overuse this pic below... pretty proud of this weapon.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o68/noisemaker21/goose.jpg



Hmmmm, apparently hunting federally regulated waterfowl with a centerfire rifle. And don't forget state laws.
Not so sure I would be doing that, let alone posting about it with pics.



noisemaker21  [Member]
11/4/2010 8:00:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
Originally Posted By noisemaker21:
Mine was a bear to charge when I first got her. Just took some good ole break-in time and decent ammo. It likes 5.56 loadings in the 55 grain arena. American Eagle tends to throw powder back in my face from the break but shoots just fine.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o68/noisemaker21/SANY0589.jpg

I overuse this pic below... pretty proud of this weapon.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o68/noisemaker21/goose.jpg



Hmmmm, apparently hunting federally regulated waterfowl with a centerfire rifle. And don't forget state laws.
Not so sure I would be doing that, let alone posting about it with pics.





I had a promiscuous hunting permit during the spring to alleviate the freshly sprouted bean fields of the flying carp. The permit entails all the names of persons allowed to take geese, by what means they can be taken and their disposition. (bury on site)

Believe me, everything’s on the up and up. (and extremely fun)

dtleigh95  [Member]
11/13/2010 3:02:31 PM EST
completely stripped and greased still would not cycle read on another sight that the gas piston valve can be reversed if not careful so I didn't know if it was right or not I took it out reversed it and it ran a mag with no problems. I hope that was the problem if so I also read if in backwards it can fly out downrange from pressure. just happened to fid it in the magazine aisle while my wife was grocery shopping. guns and ammo combat tactics page 65. I don't think I am going to send it back i think it was fudged at the factory. I am going to put tape across the gas selector jic i have it wrong and it flys out. But for it to work properly and not shoot out during a mag dump I think I gots it right.
BR870  [Team Member]
11/13/2010 4:02:33 PM EST
Your gas plug should look like this if set right



If it looks like this it is set on "Grenade" and will fire but will not cycle (it will not shoot down range either though)



To make it shoot out, it would have to be in the removal position, which is in between those two settings... No need for tape if it is set correctly as above. Plus if the tape obstructs the vent holes, you're gonna have too much back pressure, and that will cause a problem....

So if I understand you right you are saying it is cycling right now, and seems like it was on Grenade setting when it was not cycling? If so, "well thats yer problem right thar..."

ETA: pics credit to sgtlmj...
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