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MNSmitty  [Team Member]
11/23/2011 3:59:16 PM
When I am lubing my .452 bullets I always get a build up of lube on the ram, between the ram face and the bas of the bullet.
The bullets are a Lee 228gr 1R round nose, and a 185gr H&G SWC FWIW. It builds up with both bullets. I have tried different ram heights and it does it no matter where it is.
When the buildup gets to be enough, it keeps the bullet from being lubed because it doesn't seat deep enough to get lube in the grooves, then I have to clean it out with a small screwdriver. Then I have to clean the lube off the bottom of almost all of the bullets when I am done.
Is this just the nature of the beast or is there something wrong with me and/or my lube sizer?
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Rocket2Mars  [Member]
11/23/2011 10:21:35 PM
Are you using soft or hard lube? If hard lube are you using a heater?

You may be turning the screw down more than needed and causing excess pressure.
243winxb  [Member]
11/23/2011 11:03:02 PM
The ram inside the die could be undersize. But most times its to much pressure. If your using a heater on 50/50 alox, bees wax lube thats soft, this would do it also. Tapping some lead into some of the holes can control lube flow. The new die has less holes compared to my old style with many holes.
dryflash3  [Moderator]
11/23/2011 11:07:28 PM


If I understand your problem, you are getting lube between the bottom of the die and the bullet base?

If so,

You are cranking too much on the ratchet that controls the lube pressure. In my pic the ratchet has an UP label on it.

It's a feel thing, when the ratchet is just starting to feel heavy, stop.

With the correct pressure you should be able to lube 3 to 4 bullets before you crank on more pressure.

You will know when the pressure is gone, lube will not fill the lube grove.

Just lower the handle and insert the bullet again. Crank the ratchet to build lube pressure again.

You already know what too much pressure will do.

Save the lube you dig out with the screwdriver and add it to the lube reservoir the next time you add lube.
243winxb  [Member]
11/23/2011 11:35:53 PM
How about a homemade lube heater control like in this thread, post #8 , with photos. Heater Control The bullets you are sizing have to be larger in diameter than the die. In other words, as cast must be .453" or larger to use a .452" die. I am sure you already know this. Bullets undersized? Add antimony to the alloy.
MNSmitty  [Team Member]
11/26/2011 2:42:05 PM
I am using the heater. I am using Lyman super moly.
I have thought about an adjustable heater control as well. Pretty much exactly as posted above, I just havent gotten around to making one yet.

I bet its too much pressure. I do crank it down a bit more than described above.
The bullets arent undersized before sizing, they come out with very nice and even after being sized. Maybe I need to try more heat for longer and less pressure.

or maybe swap to a new lube.

Dryflash3, how is that orange magic working out for you?
dryflash3  [Moderator]
11/26/2011 11:17:31 PM
Originally Posted By MNSmitty:
I am using the heater. I am using Lyman super moly.
I have thought about an adjustable heater control as well. Pretty much exactly as posted above, I just haven't gotten around to making one yet.

I bet its too much pressure. I do crank it down a bit more than described above.
The bullets aren't undersized before sizing, they come out with very nice and even after being sized. Maybe I need to try more heat for longer and less pressure.

or maybe swap to a new lube.

Dryflash3, how is that orange magic working out for you?


I never tried the moly lube that came with the 4500.

I like the Orange magic and use a heater. Ordered another 6 sticks a short while ago.

I use it for 45 ACP and for gas check rifle bullets for 7.62x39g going around 1900 fps. No leading for me.



You can see my screwdriver with the yellow handle in this pic.
MNSmitty  [Team Member]
11/27/2011 11:51:01 AM
I havent had any leading issues with my 45 either, nor with my 40cal. But 9mm is another beast.

I might have to try some of the orange magic sometime.
243winxb  [Member]
11/27/2011 12:56:05 PM
I have never used a heater. Lyman 450- 50/50 alox/bees wax., different brands. Loading area has never been below 60 degrees air temperature.
Nightwolf357  [Life Member]
11/27/2011 3:48:27 PM
how smokey is the lube you use Dryflash? I get some smoke with the lyman idea bullet lube and with minimal leading in my 40.
dryflash3  [Moderator]
11/27/2011 10:31:59 PM
Originally Posted By Nightwolf357:
how smokey is the lube you use Dryflash? I get some smoke with the Lyman idea bullet lube and with minimal leading in my 40.


Cast bullets are going to smoke. I've been shooting them since the late 70's. Guess I'm used to the smoke.

I don't much notice the smoke with Orange magic. Guess you could say it was low smoke, just not smoke free.

The Orange magic gives me no leading, one of the reasons I use it. The other reason is that's it's hard at room temperature and not messy like 50/50 Alox-bees wax lubes.

The bullet fit in the bore is also important to reduce leading.


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