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 ALLIANT RELOADER POWDERS?????
cougar69  [Member]
3/20/2011 4:27:35 PM EST
New to reloading. Are the Reloader 10X for .223 (55gr) & the Reloader 17 for .30-06 (150gr) good to go? Would like your opinions & feed back? Thanks in advance.
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Bowhntr6pt  [Team Member]
3/20/2011 4:28:49 PM EST
I use 10X for my 6mmx45mm needs and it works wonders. Have not used it in .223 though.
mcg3686  [Member]
3/20/2011 4:31:28 PM EST
iv used it for 223 and 308

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the 10x
brentwal  [Team Member]
3/20/2011 5:09:09 PM EST
Your not going to find much load data for the R-17, it's somewhat new.

not using it for a Garand I hope.
EWP  [Member]
3/20/2011 5:10:08 PM EST
I use Re7 and 10X in 6.8SPC but not in .223.

Alliant's got their new Pro Powders out now that are supposed to be similar to the Superformance powders, the Varmint series should do very well in .223 with the mid to heavy bullets since it supposed to have a burn rate similar to the old RE-12.
cougar69  [Member]
3/20/2011 5:12:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By brentwal:
Your not going to find much load data for the R-17, it's somewhat new.

not using it for a Garand I hope.


Going to shoot them in a bolt gun. My Win. US 1917.
dryflash3  [Moderator]
3/20/2011 5:12:54 PM EST
Re-15 works very well in 223.

I haven't tried the others mentioned.
1911smith  [Team Member]
3/20/2011 5:24:13 PM EST
Accurate 2230, RelOder 15 and IMR 8208 XBR.

My go to AR15 2.23 powders.
RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
3/20/2011 5:24:37 PM EST
IMO, RL-10X is too powder sensitive to bother with. Better .223 powders are out there.

I have used RL-15 in heavy bullet .223 loads and still use it in .308. Good, versatile, powder.
brentwal  [Team Member]
3/20/2011 5:26:21 PM EST
Good R-17 it's best in overbore cartriges (i.e. big case, small bullet) and it's not Garand safe, to high of port pressure for the gas system.

Hard to hurt a 1917

Originally Posted By cougar69:
Originally Posted By brentwal:
Your not going to find much load data for the R-17, it's somewhat new.

not using it for a Garand I hope.


Going to shoot them in a bolt gun. My Win. US 1917.


Scaup58  [Team Member]
3/21/2011 3:22:47 PM EST
RL-17 should be good for heavy bullet 30-06 loads. Their data shows it listed for .308 175+ bullets. A bit slower than RL-15. RL-15 is supposed to be the 'it' for .223 heavy bullets in service rifle and high power loads. It works very well in my AR-10. Really like Alliant powders, Steel does wonderful things in 12 & 10ga. waterfowl loads and Power pistol is the cats ass in my XD40.
SecurityForcesmember  [Team Member]
3/21/2011 5:56:08 PM EST
RL17 and the 208 AMAX are a match made in heaven. While its totally suited and at home with the .300 WSM, I think you'll find it works well with .308 and 30-06 rounds. SnipersHide has some loads with it, you might have a look around there.
bigdb1  [Team Member]
3/21/2011 6:37:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
IMO, RL-10X is too powder sensitive to bother with. Better .223 powders are out there.

I have used RL-15 in heavy bullet .223 loads and still use it in .308. Good, versatile, powder.


What do you intend "too powder sensitive" to mean?

I've found 10X to be a wonderful powder for bullets 55 grains and under. Stable across a wide range of temperatures, it gives good velocities and excellent accuracy.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
3/22/2011 4:25:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By EWP:
I use Re7 and 10X in 6.8SPC but not in .223.
Alliant's got their new Pro Powders out now that are supposed to be similar to the Superformance powders, the Varmint series should do very well in .223 with the mid to heavy bullets since it supposed to have a burn rate similar to the old RE-12.


Same here, though I think 7 can be used for .223
ChrisGarrett  [Member]
3/22/2011 7:29:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By bigdb1:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
IMO, RL-10X is too powder sensitive to bother with. Better .223 powders are out there.

I have used RL-15 in heavy bullet .223 loads and still use it in .308. Good, versatile, powder.


What do you intend "too powder sensitive" to mean?

I've found 10X to be a wonderful powder for bullets 55 grains and under. Stable across a wide range of temperatures, it gives good velocities and excellent accuracy.


I agree with your sentiment.

Temperature sensitivity gets bandied about a lot, vis-a-vis powders. I think people need to qualify things a bit, when they say X, Y or Z powder is temp sensitive. If you're loading up at 70* and getting 2700 fps for a particular lot number and then going and shooting those rounds at 30*, but only getting 2550 fps, I might call that a TS powder.

If you're getting 2700 fps at 90* and then only getting 2650 fps 10*, not so much so.

I'm much more concerned with lot-to-lot variations than I am with temperature sensitivity, but I live in Miami. I can see where guys would be concerned, but one needs to qualify things a bit with empirical data, if at all possible.

Speer has a nice table on page 719, in manual #13, regarding temperature and muzzle velocity, but even they state that there is meager data on what one can expect and high load density/high chamber pressures, can have a lot to do with the final numbers.

Here are some velocities fired at 100 fps intervals, with a baseline of 60*.

2700 fps/60*....2631 fps/0*....2827 fps/100*
2800 fps/60*....2733 fps/0*....2931 fps/100*
2900 fps/60*....2830 fps/0*....3036 fps/100*
3000 fps/60*....2928 fps/0*....3141 fps/100*
3100 fps/60*....3025 fps/0*....3246 fps/100*
3200 fps/60*....3127 fps/0*....3350 fps/100*
3300 fps/60*....3221 fps/0*....3453 fps/100*
4200 fps/60*....4099 fps/0*....4398 fps/100*

So this tells us that there are built in spreads, anyhow, going from 60* to 0* (not a hard thing to accomplish in this country) and from 60* to 100* (quite easy to do).

In Miami, we might deviate more than 20*, day to day, for about 2-3 weeks a year, so it's Varget's lot-to-lot variation which is giving me that 75-100 fps variation and not the temperature's, or the powder's sensitivity to temperature.

Chris
Marine-78  [Team Member]
3/22/2011 8:28:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By EWP:
I use Re7 and 10X in 6.8SPC but not in .223.
Alliant's got their new Pro Powders out now that are supposed to be similar to the Superformance powders, the Varmint series should do very well in .223 with the mid to heavy bullets since it supposed to have a burn rate similar to the old RE-12.


Same here, though I think 7 can be used for .223


I use RE-7 under a 55g Nosler BT for one of my pet accuracy loads. I've rarely had a group expand beyond an inch using this load in my 1:9. But, RE-7 shouldn't be used for heavier bullets.
borderpatrol  [Member]
3/22/2011 3:23:38 PM EST
RE-10X is an excellent 50 to 55 grain bullet powder for .223. You may even get good results with 60 grain bullets. I wouldn't use it for anything heavier.

RE-17 should work fine in 30-06 provided you have a bolt action. It's definetely too slow for a M1 Garand.

Buy RE-15 and you can use just it in .223 and .30-06, even when shooting Garand's. There are a few powders that work really well across this range of calibers, Varget, H4895, VihtaVuori N140 and RE-15 will do everything you ask from .223 to .30-06. Heavier weight bullets in .30-06 deserve a slower powder in bolt actions.
RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
3/22/2011 6:07:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By bigdb1:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
IMO, RL-10X is too powder sensitive to bother with. Better .223 powders are out there.

I have used RL-15 in heavy bullet .223 loads and still use it in .308. Good, versatile, powder.


What do you intend "too powder sensitive" to mean?

I've found 10X to be a wonderful powder for bullets 55 grains and under. Stable across a wide range of temperatures, it gives good velocities and excellent accuracy.

I mean that when I used it in my 6.8 I have gotten 100fps swings in velocity with nothing other than a change in temperature. Already have used enough temperature sensitive powders to bother with one more.

As I said, there are much better powders for use in an AR chambered in .223/5.56.

YMMV.
SPTiger  [Team Member]
3/23/2011 4:02:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:

Originally Posted By bigdb1:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
IMO, RL-10X is too powder sensitive to bother with. Better .223 powders are out there.

I have used RL-15 in heavy bullet .223 loads and still use it in .308. Good, versatile, powder.


What do you intend "too powder sensitive" to mean?

I've found 10X to be a wonderful powder for bullets 55 grains and under. Stable across a wide range of temperatures, it gives good velocities and excellent accuracy.

I mean that when I used it in my 6.8 I have gotten 100fps swings in velocity with nothing other than a change in temperature. Already have used enough temperature sensitive powders to bother with one more.

As I said, there are much better powders for use in an AR chambered in .223/5.56.

YMMV.


Hmmm, I use 10X in my 6.8 loads too. Now that I have a chronograph I need to get out and check velocities with my 6.8 ammo. Did you have any pressure signs as well, or was is just a case of a drop or rise in velocity?
Jinzoningen  [Member]
3/23/2011 4:54:51 AM EST
havn't tried Re-10 but i use Re-7 for my 55gr load and RE-15 for my 77gr load. I would guess 10 would also be fine since it's right in the middle. I only load 30-06 for garand and i stick with 4895 but in 308 i use RE7 for my 155 gr load and RE15 for my 175 gr load. They're my favorite rifle powders.
COSteve  [Team Member]
3/23/2011 5:47:02 AM EST
OP! Your question it way too vague. For what caliber or calibers are you asking about?

Everyone so far have guessed that you're talking about .223 and/or .308 but if you're also asking about Alliant powders for pistols, Power Pistol is great for heavy charges in 9mm, 40s&w, 10mm, and 45acp.
ZekeMenuar  [Team Member]
3/23/2011 5:59:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Re-15 works very well in 223.

I haven't tried the others mentioned.

RL-15 works well in medium capacity cases.

I use it in .223/5/56 308, 300 Savage and 303 British.
RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
3/23/2011 1:18:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPTiger:

Hmmm, I use 10X in my 6.8 loads too. Now that I have a chronograph I need to get out and check velocities with my 6.8 ammo. Did you have any pressure signs as well, or was is just a case of a drop or rise in velocity?

It was three years ago, when I was trying to make major PF loads. With a 25 degree increase in temperature, I got over 70fps more velocity. In the heat of summer, I got close to 2,700 fps with my loads, which was a PF of near 350.

I already have temperature sensitive powders on my shelf and did not need a new one. I also stopped trying to make either the SPC, or the Grendel, major PF rifle rounds. At least with 18" barrels.
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