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 Got a bunch of .223 brass, are they good to reload and looking for a bit history/background on them.
Husky79  [Team Member]
4/26/2010 2:18:21 AM
I dont know much about them but, here they are, I got bunch of Lake City brass and win brasses.

Winchester 223 Rem
PMC 223 Rem
R-P 223 Rem
TW 68
FC 05 *federal cartridge??*
LC 93
LC 01 with LC stamp
LC 04 with LC stamp
LC 09
RORG 92 with LC stamp
WCC 08 with LC stamp
MAL 5.56 4-83 *Malaysia??*
PPU 08 5.56x45

are they all GTG for reloading and which is better for precision loads?
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tamdar  [Member]
4/26/2010 4:55:16 AM
As long as they are brass they should be ok to reload.From the list I would start with the LC( I believe the number stamped is the year of manufacture),Then go with the Winchester,personal preferance.If you were going to keep them all, you might want to seperate them by manufacturer.Some say the cases of various manufacture have differant case volumes due to some having thicker case walls.I have not made an actual comparrison ,perhaps tonight when I head down to the man-cave I'll do a comparison.
SteelonSteel  [Team Member]
4/26/2010 9:27:08 AM
Rorg won't have a LC stamp. The Lake City stamp is "LC." You referring to the Nato cross in a circle? That could/would be put on any nato nation's ammo that is making it to the nato spec.

I'd use the Winchester brass for the most precise if it was all from the same lot. If it's mixed with different font stampings on the case head then you may as well just use one batch of the LC.

7zero1  [Team Member]
4/26/2010 9:36:42 AM
Originally Posted By Husky79:
I dont know much about them but, here they are, I got bunch of Lake City brass and win brasses.

Winchester 223 Rem
PMC 223 Rem
R-P 223 Rem
TW 68
FC 05 *federal cartridge??*
LC 93
LC 01 with LC stamp
LC 04 with LC stamp
LC 09
RORG 92 with LC stamp
WCC 08 with LC stamp
MAL 5.56 4-83 *Malaysia??*
PPU 08 5.56x45

are they all GTG for reloading and which is better for precision loads?


Sir, my preference would be in favor of the LC also. FC is Federal Cartridge, gtg for one reload but expect an expanded primer pocket after the first reload. I've used a lot of the WCC, that's the most common headstamp for the military match ammo that uses the 77gr Sierra MK bullet, I forgot the "M" number. I'm also quite familiar with the Winchester brass, I use new Win. brass for my 600yd loads and reload it for across the course after the first firing. PMC is Korean AFAIK, and the rest I don't recognize.

Since I have a digital scale it's quite simple to sort cases by weight, I suspect if you do you'll find the LC to be a grain or two heavier than the Win. or WCC which is generally an indication of slightly thicker case walls. For my purposes in across the course HP competition I would only use the LC, Win, and WCC. However if I were reloading "plinking" ammo with cheap bullets I would probably use them all. HTH, 7zero1.

Mugbug  [Team Member]
4/26/2010 1:16:35 PM
Originally Posted By Husky79:
I dont know much about them but, here they are, I got bunch of Lake City brass and win brasses.

Winchester 223 Rem
PMC 223 Rem
R-P 223 Rem Remington Peters
TW 68 Twin Cities Ammo plant, now closed, akin to LC
FC 05 *federal cartridge??* Yes
LC 93
LC 01 with LC stamp
LC 04 with LC stamp
LC 09
RORG 92 with LC stamp Royal Ordinance Radway Green ( British)
WCC 08 with LC stamp Winchester
MAL 5.56 4-83 *Malaysia??*
PPU 08 5.56x45 Pervi Partisan, some claim small flash holes break decapping pins but I have never had an issue

are they all GTG for reloading and which is better for precision loads?


helotaxi  [Member]
4/26/2010 1:39:18 PM
Originally Posted By 7zero1:Since I have a digital scale it's quite simple to sort cases by weight, I suspect if you do you'll find the LC to be a grain or two heavier than the Win. or WCC which is generally an indication of slightly thicker case walls.


No truth to this. Molon has posted numerous measurements showing that LC brass usually has greater capacity than most other brass and that the case wall is no thicker.

To the OP

Unless this is someone elses reloaded brass you will have to remove the primer pocket crimp on all of those NATO cases (everything that doens't say .223 REM on the headstamp) before you try to seat a new primer. Several tools on the market to do this. RCBS probably makes the least expensive swage tool and Dillon probably the best.
Husky79  [Team Member]
4/26/2010 4:24:03 PM
Ah I see, yes i meant NATO stamp with the cross and circle.

so some of you were talking about difference in weight so i was curious too and went ahead and weighted them on my digital scale, here are the results starting from light to heaviest.

LC 04+ 90.8g
LC 01+ 91.6g
FC 05 91.6g
LC 09 92.1g
TW 68 92.2g
PMC 93.0g
R-P 94.1g
MAL 5.56 4-83 94.4g
Winchester 94.6g
WCC 08+ 95.2g
PPU 08 5.56x45 96.6g
RORG 92+ 97.3g
DMAR  [Member]
4/26/2010 10:37:32 PM
Just so you know weighing cases is useless without first decapping, sizing, and trimming. This process makes the ODs all the same therefore weight variances=internal volume differences.
dryflash3  [Team Member]
4/26/2010 11:19:45 PM
Originally Posted By Husky79:
I don't know much about them but, here they are, I got bunch of Lake City brass and win brasses.

Winchester 223 Rem good for precession loads

PMC 223 Rem good for precession loads

R-P 223 Rem good for precession loads

TW 68 good mil brass

FC 05 *federal cartridge??* read the thread about FC brass up in "useful Threads". Not my favorite.

LC 93 excellent mil brass

LC 01 with LC stamp excellent mil brass

LC 04 with LC stamp excellent mil brass

LC 09 excellent mil brass

RORG 92 with LC stamp good mil brass, some batches of cases have sizing problems, all of mine have been fine so far.

WCC 08 with LC stamp excellent mil brass

MAL 5.56 4-83 *Malaysia??* OK to good mil brass

PPU 08 5.56x45 good mil brass, have to deal with the extra small flashole. Read up before running them through your sizing die. They will break the decapping pin on some brands of dies.

are they all GTG for reloading and which is better for precision loads?


Husky79  [Team Member]
4/27/2010 12:07:40 AM
Originally Posted By DMAR:
Just so you know weighing cases is useless without first decapping, sizing, and trimming. This process makes the ODs all the same therefore weight variances=internal volume differences.


Yup all done that before weighting them.


by the way I have noticed that the PPU's take more effort to put it in the shell holder on the press. sometimes it wont go in and you gotta twist it around until you find the sweet spot. same for taking it out. Great way to spill powder! They dont have problems with my decapping pin, I use RCBS.
GHPorter  [Team Member]
4/27/2010 7:10:45 AM
Is this "LC stamp" the same as the circled cross in this picture?

That's the symbol that the (factory loaded) round meets NATO standards. It has nothing to do with which factory made the round, only the standards it meets.
Meche_03  [Team Member]
4/27/2010 10:39:35 PM
I've got a decapper pin broke off in a PPU case right now. All the PPU I have has small primer flash holes, though they did all come from the same lot.
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