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ricklaut  [Member]
3/19/2010 4:00:27 AM EST
Now that I'm looking at 4 different load sources (Lyman, Speer, this "The Complete Reloading Manual for the .223 Remington" and the Hornday web site), its becoming even more obvious that there are major differences between them. I'm finding that my chosen starting load (compared across the other three and that I'm OK with based on that) is over max in The Complete Reloading Manual (small, $6.00 loose bound).

Did I waste $6.00?

Rick
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goldeyeslayer  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 4:14:25 AM EST
Which section of "the complete reloading manual"? Is this the loosed bound "book" that includes all the mfg. data?
YZ250Rider  [Member]
3/19/2010 4:14:26 AM EST
I know the books you're talking about.... I buy them because I always like to have more sources to verify data, and i know that they do have some useful data. It was only 6 bucks, so I wouldn't sweat it. This is why we have multiple books and check multiple sources before loading a single round.

What's your planned load that you are finding mis-matched data on, out of curiousity?
ricklaut  [Member]
3/19/2010 4:58:41 AM EST
Yes - the loose bound book with the mfg data. I'm looking at the .223 Remington - Hornady Bullets section (page 5), specifically at the #2267 BT-FMJ w/c for H335 powder (this is the exact bullet I'm getting - to the part# and the powder I bought). Min in this book is 20.8; max is 23.2.
- The Hodgdon site (mistakenly said Hornady in my initial post) only has one 55 GR bullet for H335 (a 55 GR. SPR SP); min here is 23.0; max is 25.3.
- Lyman shows one 55 GR Jacketed SPT; min here is 24.3; max is 27.0.
- Speer lists 4 different 55 GR bullets with their same load (including a 55GR FMJBT); min here is 24.0; max is 26.0

From my post a couple of days ago, and before I got this loose bound book, I intended to load between 23.0 and 25.0 in .5 GR increments.

Rick
DoubleARon  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 5:12:30 AM EST
Sometimes the data is from an older book, and the manufacturer has newer data, but as long as you match bullet part numbers you outta be fine. I have this one, and it's fantastic.


YZ250Rider  [Member]
3/19/2010 5:27:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By ricklaut:
Yes - the loose bound book with the mfg data. I'm looking at the .223 Remington - Hornady Bullets section (page 5), specifically at the #2267 BT-FMJ w/c for H335 powder (this is the exact bullet I'm getting - to the part# and the powder I bought). Min in this book is 20.8; max is 23.2.
- The Hodgdon site (mistakenly said Hornady in my initial post) only has one 55 GR bullet for H335 (a 55 GR. SPR SP); min here is 23.0; max is 25.3.
- Lyman shows one 55 GR Jacketed SPT; min here is 24.3; max is 27.0.
- Speer lists 4 different 55 GR bullets with their same load (including a 55GR FMJBT); min here is 24.0; max is 26.0

From my post a couple of days ago, and before I got this loose bound book, I intended to load between 23.0 and 25.0 in .5 GR increments.

Rick


Hmm, I'd probably stick with the Hodgdon data.
RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 7:22:08 AM EST
You only wasted $6.00 if you are going to reload for multiple calibers.

Think about it.

$6.00 for .223
$6.00 for 9x19
$6.00 for .40 S&W
$6.00 for .45 ACP
$6.00 for .308 Win
$6.00 for .30-06
etc, etc, etc, etc.....

For $18 to $22 you could have bought Lyman's #49 Reloding Manual that has all of these calibers in them.
ricklaut  [Member]
3/19/2010 7:28:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
You only wasted $6.00 if you are going to reload for multiple calibers.

Think about it.

$6.00 for .223
$6.00 for 9x19
$6.00 for .40 S&W
$6.00 for .45 ACP
$6.00 for .308 Win
$6.00 for .30-06
etc, etc, etc, etc.....

For $18 to $22 you could have bought Lyman's #49 Reloding Manual that has all of these calibers in them.


Exactly... I bought one for 9mm and for .38/.357 as well (haven't yet compared them to my other books).

YZ250Rider  [Member]
3/19/2010 7:37:32 AM EST
Hey, I never said that I think their a waste of money. I buy the 6 dollar load books, but i also have the Lyman, hornady, lee, and sierra books. I'm kind of an info whore like that.
AssaultRifler  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 8:00:00 AM EST
I had one for 12 gauge since there's so many more possible combinations of components, but once I standardized on a load I sold the book on EE.

I've standardized on AA2230 powder so a book like that won't do me much good. And I have the Accurate Arms Reloading Guide No. 1 as well
rg1  [Member]
3/19/2010 8:51:43 AM EST
Never a waste to have reload data for comparison. With your Hornady 55 fmj's using H335, TRUST Hodgdon powders data. Using Hornady's maximum data at 23.2 grains of H335 I get only 2850-2860 fps in RP or WCC brass using RP 7 1/2 primers, bullet seated to 2.218-2.220". That's in a 20" 1/7 AR. You have to compare what rifle or test barrel the company used in their testing too. A short throated bolt action rifle compared to an AR makes some difference plus components used. Hornady's data in THIS instance is conservative but not all their data for other calibers in rifles and pistols is. A chronograph and careful work-ups comparing all your data sources is recommended. Some other data sources using H335 powder in .223 in my experience is also too HOT and may be over pressure in your type rifle. Any data over 25.5 grains of H335 in .223 with 55 grain bullets needs to be used with caution. My experience anyway.
JamesP81  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 9:00:28 AM EST
I buy those books for every caliber I own.

Hornady's 223 data is generally considered to be on the conservative side. Since you're using a Hodgdon powder, I would probably base my loads off the data from Hodgdon's website.

ETA: I usually base my loads off of data from the manufacturer of the powder I'm using, and not the bullet.
Coop4570  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 9:03:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By ricklaut:
Yes - the loose bound book with the mfg data. I'm looking at the .223 Remington - Hornady Bullets section (page 5), specifically at the #2267 BT-FMJ w/c for H335 powder (this is the exact bullet I'm getting - to the part# and the powder I bought). Min in this book is 20.8; max is 23.2.
- The Hodgdon site (mistakenly said Hornady in my initial post) only has one 55 GR bullet for H335 (a 55 GR. SPR SP); min here is 23.0; max is 25.3.
- Lyman shows one 55 GR Jacketed SPT; min here is 24.3; max is 27.0.
- Speer lists 4 different 55 GR bullets with their same load (including a 55GR FMJBT); min here is 24.0; max is 26.0

From my post a couple of days ago, and before I got this loose bound book, I intended to load between 23.0 and 25.0 in .5 GR increments.

Rick


Very Strange, i have the .223 load book also and on page 5 under Hornady bullets it gives the following data:

#2267 FMJ-BT w/c
ballistic coefficient - .243
C.O.L. - 2.20
H335
min - 21.4gr - 2800fps
max - 25.4gr - 3200fps

next I checked my Hornady manual (older book, 3rd edition), it lists the same info.
goldeyeslayer  [Team Member]
3/19/2010 12:18:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
You only wasted $6.00 if you are going to reload for multiple calibers.

Think about it.

$6.00 for .223
$6.00 for 9x19
$6.00 for .40 S&W
$6.00 for .45 ACP
$6.00 for .308 Win
$6.00 for .30-06
etc, etc, etc, etc.....

For $18 to $22 you could have bought Lyman's #49 Reloding Manual that has all of these calibers in them.


Yeah, with 1/6 the data in it eta: (per caliber)

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