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 Make my own hollow points out of FMJ's??????
mjohn3006  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 3:08:01 PM
So there are very few options 30 carbine. I use a 30 carbine as my "next to the bed" rifle. The ammo options are FMJ, FMJ, FMJ, FMJ, more FMJ, and some soft point. all of which is out of stock everywhere except some FMJ.

Things to consider.
Extreme measurements to ensure the hole is dead center. (this is probably the most difficult part)
Uniform depth, This is why God told someone to make drill presses with depth stops.
Uniform weight. This again should be fine using a drill press depth stop.
Drill the holes, weigh them, measure for hole "centristy". Probably will mess up a few getting started, but so what.

If you look at a typical Winchester hollow point bullet it has a small drilled tunnel going most of the way through the bullet, then a larger opening just at the tip.

Seems like it would be relatively simple to make 30 carbine JHP's out of 30 carbine FMJ's

Does this make sense or am I off my rocker again?
BillofRights  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 3:19:26 PM
1. A 30 caliber hole is going to kill an intruder dead, regardless.

2. Although the concept is often overblown, I could see homemade "dum-dum" bullets becoming an issue in a trial setting.


That said, if you really felt you needed to do it, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make up a jig that would help you keep the drill bit centered.
ANGST  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 3:29:38 PM
You have to worry about blowing the lead core out and leaving the jacket stuck in the barrel and causing a KABOOM.

.30 Cal soft points work
64Impala  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 3:32:41 PM
chuck them up in a lathe and go to town. The trick would be not to wreck the jacket of the bullet when put into the jaws of the lathe. Maybe have a couple of nylon jaw inserts made up instead of the steel ones

cheapo lathe...

harbor freight lathe
NVGdude  [Member]
12/8/2008 3:38:47 PM
A friend of mine use to do this with 30-06 bullets. In his defense, this was in Africa in the 1950's, and hunting bullets were simply not available.

I'd keep looking for some soft points myself, or you could buy some of the Hornady 90 grain HP that Midway has on sale this month.
brokenlink  [Member]
12/8/2008 4:04:24 PM
Just do it with a dremmel, free hand.

In all seriousness, softpoints.
AeroE  [Moderator]
12/8/2008 4:05:53 PM
What about XTP's?
AeroE  [Moderator]
12/8/2008 4:06:34 PM
Originally Posted By 64Impala:
chuck them up in a lathe and go to town. The trick would be not to wreck the jacket of the bullet when put into the jaws of the lathe. Maybe have a couple of nylon jaw inserts made up instead of the steel ones

cheapo lathe...

harbor freight lathe



Use nylon emergency collets.
HardShell  [Life Member]
12/8/2008 4:13:19 PM
Originally Posted By ANGST:
You have to worry about blowing the lead core out and leaving the jacket stuck in the barrel and causing a KABOOM.

.30 Cal soft points work

FWIW, Georgia Arms offers a 110gr jacketed soft-point in .30 Carbine that I like pretty well.
lordmercury  [Member]
12/8/2008 4:15:07 PM
Hmmm, makes me ponder an old story I heard about putting mercury in hollow points and capping with wax.
Now that was some scary $h|t.
eswanson  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 4:30:57 PM
I assume you're talking about loading your own...just use the softpoints. They're not out of stock everywhere, I just picked up a bag from Cabela's this weekend. They'll probably work better than some half-assed hollowpoint you make yourself.
Tromatic  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 4:46:08 PM
Chuck a handful of expended primers in the case. Works like a shotgun, or so I have read.
Uni-Vibe  [Member]
12/8/2008 5:20:14 PM
Waste of time. FMJs are typically lead-alloy core with a thick jacket. Drill a hole in it, it's still markedly inferior to a good factory hollowpoint. Factory ones have pure lead cores and jackets designed for controlled expansion at the velocity that particular bullet will be shot at.
ECS  [Member]
12/8/2008 5:21:10 PM
FMJ should get the job done, if you ask me.
Keith_J  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 6:10:34 PM
Speer 110 JHPs. Be DAMN CAREFUL as the jacket can be left in the bore.

2tothechest  [Member]
12/8/2008 6:26:02 PM
What about the Forster case trimmer? It has some kind of universal hollow pointer. Is it any good?
Garandboy  [Member]
12/8/2008 8:23:12 PM
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
1. A 30 caliber hole is going to kill an intruder dead, regardless.

2. Although the concept is often overblown, I could see homemade "dum-dum" bullets becoming an issue in a trial setting.


That said, if you really felt you needed to do it, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make up a jig that would help you keep the drill bit centered.


I met a lawyer that said she had used modified bullets against a home owner in court. The intruder did not die, but had to shit in a bag for the rest of his life. She said the bullets were custom made not to kill, but to cause inhuman suffering. She won a settlement.

She did not say how they were modified.

dryflash3  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 9:00:29 PM
I have done this very thing with some 30 carbine ammo I reloaded.

I started with ammo I loaded with Remington 110 gr soft point bullets.

Put loaded round in my RCBS case trimmer. (same as if I was trimming the case)

Replaced the pilot with a shortened 1/8 drill bit. (pilot shank is 1/8 inch)

Adjusted the stop on the trimmer to allow the drill bit to give a 1/8 deep, 1/8 diameter hollow point.

Like others have said, don't go too deep with the hollow point.

For an added effect, use a tooth pick to apply red paint to the hollow point.

These loads shot fine, just shot these at a paper target.

I have no idea what kind of expansion could be expected.

If you tried this technique on a FMJ bullet, you would probally have problems with the drill bit wandering on the bullet tip.

You would probally need to develop a method of center punching the bullet nose.

I would try one of the center punches that you push to get the punch mark.

Good luck, and if you are successful report back.

eswanson  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 9:53:59 PM
Or, just use these.

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Speer 110 JHPs.



ViniVidivici  [Team Member]
12/8/2008 10:19:21 PM
In my Midway catalog there's a jig and bit for doing just this to lead bullets. I'm sure it would work for jacketed ones as well.
Stove_Pipe  [Team Member]
12/9/2008 8:58:58 AM
I think one of the main problems is that most jacketed bullets are swaged into the jacket leaving the rear open. If you cut away the jacket at the front as well, there is a chance of the lead core being blown out, while the jacket is stuck in the barrel.
COSteve  [Team Member]
12/9/2008 2:25:39 PM
* I think that it's very unwise to make your own dum-dum bullets for legal reasons.
* If made, they won't work as well as factory made HPs because of the copper jacket thickness.
* If you upset the balance of the bullet, it won't fly as straight reducing accuracy.
* You are risking blowing out the lead core and leaving the jacket in the barrel and causing a Kaboom.

Now tell me again why you would rather do that than reload your own using Speer 110grn HPs:



Or Georgia Arms "NEW" .30 CARBINE 110gr Soft Point 50pk:



Georgia Arms

or just buy Georgia Arms "NEW" .30 CARBINE 110gr Soft Point ammo like these:



Georgia Arms
mjohn3006  [Team Member]
12/9/2008 2:54:20 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. I have ordered 200 rounds of the Georgia Arms soft point.
BigRedDog  [Member]
12/10/2008 11:43:32 AM
Good man