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 50 cal ar15 upper?
NDean  [Member]
10/11/2010 10:06:32 PM
Does anyone have experience with a .50 cal upper (fits on ar lower)? I'm looking for reviews from people who know anything about 'em. Is it worth it?!
Thanks
Noah
jh1990  [Team Member]
10/11/2010 10:13:23 PM
Originally Posted By NDean:
Does anyone have experience with a .50 cal upper (fits on ar lower)? I'm looking for reviews from people who know anything about 'em. Is it worth it?!
Thanks
Noah


Yes, they are worth it. Lots of options out there. Try looking up Ferret, ALS, Bohica, and Zel Custom, I took my bohica out for the first time today. Shot wonderfully, ejected all the rounds with ease, even surplus. Bohica has had some issues in the past but it looks like they get them all worked out. Just do your research..
TacBlade  [Team Member]
10/11/2010 11:33:51 PM
I use to own a Barrett 99, now I have a Zel Custom Tactilite T1 and could not be happier!!! It shoots great, It looks pretty cool and the recoil is about like a 12 Ga. Zel Customs customer service is outstanding and thats about all I have. You want some pics of mine, email me at sierramtnclimber@yahoo.com and I will send you some. Have a good one!!! You cant go wrong with any of the uppers that are offered out there.
JTY  [Member]
10/12/2010 1:11:27 PM
I've got a Bohica MK3, it's great. Recoil isn't bad, customer service is good, and it shoots OK.
SASS  [Member]
10/12/2010 4:43:39 PM
I am not knocking the KITs....but really for what they cost....you could buy a AR-50....granted it is a "single shot" bolt action....but you are shooting the 50 cal BMG....It's like sex...take your time and enjoy it....
Not to mention...as I said in my videos....it is like putting a Semi Truck engine in your SUV....it will work...but the AR-15 lower is not designed for those forces......it will screw it up eventually.......But it would be a good back up I guess for the SHTF aspect....

If you want a 50 cal BMG.....then buy one.....buy a rifle designed to do just that....shoot the worlds largest rifle cartridge......
Just my .50 worth......
SASS
shibumiseeker  [Member]
10/12/2010 5:05:07 PM
Originally Posted By SASS:
Iit will work...but the AR-15 lower is not designed for those forces......it will screw it up eventually.......
SASS


How so? What's "eventually"? There are plenty of folks out there with multiple hundreds of rounds through their sets. I've got around a hundred through mine, and I can see no signs of wear on my lower. And if it does fail, a lower is pretty cheap.


competitor  [Member]
10/12/2010 7:57:04 PM
Originally Posted By shibumiseeker:
Originally Posted By SASS:
Iit will work...but the AR-15 lower is not designed for those forces......it will screw it up eventually.......
SASS


How so? What's "eventually"? There are plenty of folks out there with multiple hundreds of rounds through their sets. I've got around a hundred through mine, and I can see no signs of wear on my lower. And if it does fail, a lower is pretty cheap.




I know people with multiple thousands through their uppers with no ill affect to the lower at all.

Ed

jh1990  [Team Member]
10/12/2010 8:21:32 PM
Originally Posted By SASS:
I am not knocking the KITs....but really for what they cost....you could buy a AR-50....granted it is a "single shot" bolt action....but you are shooting the 50 cal BMG....It's like sex...take your time and enjoy it....
Not to mention...as I said in my videos....it is like putting a Semi Truck engine in your SUV....it will work...but the AR-15 lower is not designed for those forces......it will screw it up eventually.......But it would be a good back up I guess for the SHTF aspect....

If you want a 50 cal BMG.....then buy one.....buy a rifle designed to do just that....shoot the worlds largest rifle cartridge......
Just my .50 worth......
SASS


I bought a bohica upper/single shot lower for $1500. About half the price of an AR50. I havent seen a single lower fail EVER. I'd love to see proof of one failing.
Max-Paul  [Team Member]
10/12/2010 8:36:39 PM
SASS,

Boy you just opened a can of whoop ass, on yourself. This has been covered several times by many of people. All of the regulars on this part of the forum know that there are some serious shooters that have 50 BMG uppers on AR-15 lowers with thousands of rounds that have checked the take down holes and none have had any problems. Also think about this. I can buy a lower and most anyone will think .223 Rem or 5.56 nato. And the lower is the only thing that is papered. Now I go and buy an upper from say Ferret and there is no 4473 papers to be filled out. Note the same story of your beloved AR-50 or any other completed rifle. Also, isn't the elevated tax on completed rifles still in effect?
ridurall  [Member]
10/12/2010 9:50:18 PM
SASS your just plain wrong and should save your comments for something you've got real tangible expertise on. I've had my Bohica for close to a year and have run a lot of ammo through it. There customer service is unbeatable. Mark and Chris are wonderful to deal with. I thought about trading my Bohica for an AR50 and the owner of the AR50 welched on the deal and I'm glad he did. I won't trade it for one. The muzzle break is wonderful and not near as big and ugly as the arrow head type on the AR50. When I started with the Bohica I was able to save enough to purchase a good Nightforce 8-32 X 56 NXS Scope for it. I also started with a Bushmaster lower but got a good deal on a Bohica stainless steel single shot lower. Makes for a gun to be proud of with Magpul PRS stock.

Xringlover  [Member]
10/12/2010 11:39:14 PM
When are the non believers ever gonna figure out that those pins hold only the FCG parts & shoulder stock to the frames of these wonderful rifles????
Even the fit to the shoulder stock is so tight it could never move enough to wear out.

Hey Ridurall, nice rifle ya` have there Sir!
Dublin1997  [Member]
10/13/2010 12:39:37 AM
Originally Posted By SASS:
but the AR-15 lower is not designed for those forces......it will screw it up eventually.......

SASS


Unless you have documented evidence of this, which I don't think you do, then this is an EPIC FAIL!

50 uppers have been running on AR lowers for years and to the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a single case of the upper causing issues to the lower.

I have the Ferret50 and it is one fine rifle. I splurged and got his custom lower as well. It's a great set up.
Cheers,
cc
SASS  [Member]
10/13/2010 1:11:46 AM
Originally Posted By Max-Paul:
SASS,

Boy you just opened a can of whoop ass, on yourself. This has been covered several times by many of people. All of the regulars on this part of the forum know that there are some serious shooters that have 50 BMG uppers on AR-15 lowers with thousands of rounds that have checked the take down holes and none have had any problems. Also think about this. I can buy a lower and most anyone will think .223 Rem or 5.56 nato. And the lower is the only thing that is papered. Now I go and buy an upper from say Ferret and there is no 4473 papers to be filled out. Note the same story of your beloved AR-50 or any other completed rifle. Also, isn't the elevated tax on completed rifles still in effect?


Hell....Sorry guys.....just stating my opinion......but as to this statement I can and will concede the facts.....and they weigh alot less than the beast I lugged around today..
I was simply stating how I believe...I was taught to have the right tool for the job....that's all.....If you need a 3/4" wrench you don't use a vise grip....well...OK...we all have done it..
anyway....as I stated.....I was not HASHING ON THE KITS.....again just my opinion......as for the statement about the lowers.....I do know a few that have had issues with that part.....No "magazine" documentation....just what I was told by a few that had the problems.....but then again....they were "budget" lowers of lesser quality.....so If you would use a top of the line lower...or at least and well known brand...Hey you most likely have a great set up......Nice pictures by the way....
I will say that I know that a "kit" holds a national record for distance and accuracy....so I guess again they have their merit....
Again....I apologize if I OFFENDED anyone.....was not meant too......just speaking my opinion.....they are like ass holes......everyone has one....
SASS
jh1990  [Team Member]
10/13/2010 1:22:49 AM
What kind of lower had the problems? Blackthorne?
SplatSTi  [Team Member]
10/13/2010 1:46:43 AM

Originally Posted By SASS:
Originally Posted By Max-Paul:
SASS,

Boy you just opened a can of whoop ass, on yourself. This has been covered several times by many of people. All of the regulars on this part of the forum know that there are some serious shooters that have 50 BMG uppers on AR-15 lowers with thousands of rounds that have checked the take down holes and none have had any problems. Also think about this. I can buy a lower and most anyone will think .223 Rem or 5.56 nato. And the lower is the only thing that is papered. Now I go and buy an upper from say Ferret and there is no 4473 papers to be filled out. Note the same story of your beloved AR-50 or any other completed rifle. Also, isn't the elevated tax on completed rifles still in effect?


Hell....Sorry guys.....just stating my opinion......but as to this statement I can and will concede the facts.....and they weigh alot less than the beast I lugged around today..
I was simply stating how I believe...I was taught to have the right tool for the job....that's all.....If you need a 3/4" wrench you don't use a vise grip....well...OK...we all have done it..
anyway....as I stated.....I was not HASHING ON THE KITS.....again just my opinion......as for the statement about the lowers.....I do know a few that have had issues with that part.....No "magazine" documentation....just what I was told by a few that had the problems.....but then again....they were "budget" lowers of lesser quality.....so If you would use a top of the line lower...or at least and well known brand...Hey you most likely have a great set up......Nice pictures by the way....
I will say that I know that a "kit" holds a national record for distance and accuracy....so I guess again they have their merit....
Again....I apologize if I OFFENDED anyone.....was not meant too......just speaking my opinion.....they are like ass holes......everyone has one....
SASS
Uh huh, gave an opinion on something you know nothing about, next!

Go get some facts.

BOHICA MKII owner here.

TacBlade  [Team Member]
10/13/2010 5:16:56 PM
I would like to see those lowers that had an issue? I have never heard anyone or have seen any proof that a lower was damaged by a .50 upper. If you can get pics and the person(s) on here and show us the problems they have had, we would all like to see it ....We need some proof positive on here? And, if in fact that their lower was damaged??? We would like to see it and have it documented here, but I am very, very skeptical about this? I just have not seen, nor heard one peep about this happening!!!
Xringlover  [Member]
10/13/2010 7:06:34 PM
Originally Posted By SASS:
Originally Posted By Max-Paul:
SASS,

Boy you just opened a can of whoop ass, on yourself. This has been covered several times by many of people. All of the regulars on this part of the forum know that there are some serious shooters that have 50 BMG uppers on AR-15 lowers with thousands of rounds that have checked the take down holes and none have had any problems. Also think about this. I can buy a lower and most anyone will think .223 Rem or 5.56 nato. And the lower is the only thing that is papered. Now I go and buy an upper from say Ferret and there is no 4473 papers to be filled out. Note the same story of your beloved AR-50 or any other completed rifle. Also, isn't the elevated tax on completed rifles still in effect?


Hell....Sorry guys.....just stating my opinion......but as to this statement I can and will concede the facts.....and they weigh alot less than the beast I lugged around today..
I was simply stating how I believe...I was taught to have the right tool for the job....that's all.....If you need a 3/4" wrench you don't use a vise grip....well...OK...we all have done it..
anyway....as I stated.....I was not HASHING ON THE KITS.....again just my opinion......as for the statement about the lowers.....I do know a few that have had issues with that part.....No "magazine" documentation....just what I was told by a few that had the problems.....but then again....they were "budget" lowers of lesser quality.....so If you would use a top of the line lower...or at least and well known brand...Hey you most likely have a great set up......Nice pictures by the way....
I will say that I know that a "kit" holds a national record for distance and accuracy....so I guess again they have their merit....
Again....I apologize if I OFFENDED anyone.....was not meant too......just speaking my opinion.....they are like ass holes......everyone has one....
SASS


SASS,
Hey guy! Glad to have you on board as a 50 "enthusiast"! I can understand your point of view but when it isn`t backed up by facts, I get a little.....frustrated. The only way I see that a problem could arise on a lower is if, & I say if, someone was using the lower receiver mounted to some sort of a tripod or mount that was fixed in a NON movable way. ( Read 0" of movement with ALL recoil forces being applied from the upper to the lower receiver pins & associated mounting points ) The only thing is, with the normal shooting technique of the user, I haven`t heard of ANYONE doing some sort of fixed lower receiver mount arrangement. To fire a rifle, the shooter is in a normal position behind the rifle ( maybe sitting or prone in some cases ), pulls the trigger......BOOM goes the round & the shooter moves backwards a few inches ( maybe several ) with the recoil of the rifle. Recoil forces are absorbed "slowly" instead of instantly as in a zero "non moving environment". I think I would be more concerned with retinal detachment happening before a lower receiver wearing out.
NDean  [Member]
10/13/2010 8:03:47 PM
Thank you all for the help! You definitely answered my question, and then some.

Here's a more subjective question. I'm thinking about getting either a 50 cal upper OR an m53. They are two very different weapons, but when the "SHTF", which would be the most appropriate?

Again, this might be nothing more than an opinion.

Thanks again for all your help, guys.
Noah
Max-Paul  [Team Member]
10/13/2010 9:29:43 PM
Xring,

I have seen pictures and what someone did was that they clamped a firing strip of wood to a bench. Then put the feet of the bipod in front of the strip of wood. Dont know if there was any damage to the take down pin holes. But they did manage to bust their bipod.
Xringlover  [Member]
10/13/2010 10:23:52 PM
Yep. I would say that would be a bad situation for the bipod.
SASS  [Member]
10/15/2010 2:23:31 PM
Sorry for the delay on my response...I was trying to find the guys that had the issues...again...as I said...no documentation, but what I came across was...one lower was a delton....cracked receiver..near the forward hinge pin...and the other receiver was some cheap "knock off"....don't know the name but the trigger fell apart....now this is what I seen and was told....AGAIN I MEAN NO OFFENSE...AS I SAID...NO MAG DOC TO BACK IT UP....JUST WHAT I SEEN AND HEARD....I know one man who promote the "KITS" and is well respected...so again....no offense meant...I still believe in the COMPLETE RIFLE over the kits...but that is me...and me alone...sorry if I offended anyone....not meant that way and I will go back to the AR-50 section and be quiet....thanks for putting up with my OPINION......Later.
SASS
Max-Paul  [Team Member]
10/15/2010 8:54:09 PM
Ok SASS,

Your opinion is your right to say. It just smacks up against everything that the HIVE thinks. Delton, this is not a name I reconize. Might this be a knock off lower? And there are others that appear to think the same way as you. For otherwise Armalite, McMillian and a few others would not be selling complete rifles. But I believe that those two examples that you mentioned are the exception than the rule. Even if the Delton lower is considered a good lower. Every one is going to have a lemon product from time to time.
Bretshooter  [Member]
10/17/2010 12:08:46 PM
A cracked front hinge boss could easily be from the rifle falling over after it was opened. They are notoriously unbalanced when opened, and that area is the most vulnerable, with a 20+lb upper hanging off of it.
jh1990  [Team Member]
10/17/2010 1:34:51 PM
Originally Posted By Bretshooter:
A cracked front hinge boss could easily be from the rifle falling over after it was opened. They are notoriously unbalanced when opened, and that area is the most vulnerable, with a 20+lb upper hanging off of it.


Thats why I turn mine upside down to take the lower off.