C-Products 25rd Scar 17 mag range report - not good

I finally made it to the range today and had a chance to try out my new 25rd C-Products Scar 17 mags. I'd a lot rather be posting about how well these mags worked in my rifle but unfortunately the truth is otherwise.

Simply put, they wouldn't stay in my rifle.

I was shooting off of a front and rear rest. The magazine was high enough to not be touching anything. I've used this same setup for a couple hundred rounds with my Scar 17 using FN mags and have had no malfunctions whatsoever with the FN's.

With the first mag about the 4th or 5th shot I got a "Click". Checking the rifle there was no round in the chamber and the mag had fallen off the magazine catch. I thought that maybe somehow I'd hit the magazine release and so I firmly reseated the mag, made sure that the mag catch and set and pulled down on the mag to make sure it was in there good. Another few shots later it fell out again. Reseat and for the 3rd time in the first 25rds it fell out again.

I moved on to the 2nd C-Products mag I had and it wouldn't go more than 2 shots consecutively without falling out.

I didn't try the 3rd C-Products mag.

I went back to one of my FN mags and shot through it with zero malfunctions.


I don't really like being the bearer of bad news. Maybe my rifle is somehow unique and the mags will work just fine in other SCAR 17's but they sure as heck don't work properly in mine.

If they worked I'd be buying more but it looks like I'll be sticking with the FN mags. I don't know if I'lll be able to get my money back on the C-products mags or not. If you were thinking about buying some you might check on the return policy first.............................................DJ

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Here is the bench setup I was shooting off of:




Sorry for the crappy phone pic.

I didn't try the mags standing, I didn't want them falling out and hitting the ground since that might have scuffed them enough to be non-returnable...........................................DJ

Your rifle is not unique. I received my 2 right after I complained they took to long and went to the range. One of the mags fell out
every couple of shots. I mean they were seated, push pull it was in there. I wasn't going to post about it until I had a chance to go
out again. I have since found some FN mags which were less expensive and work flawlessly. I have to say when the C products
one stayed in it worked. I have left them loaded for a couple of weeks now and they seem to take rounds better. I am not pleased.
Oh well I never buy aftermarket mags when factory mags are available. At the time I ordered them FN mags were unobtainium.
Live and learn.

FWIW here are some pictures comparing the two:

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FWIW the C-mag catch is larger in just about every dimension. The FN mag (loaded is .982 wide, 1.015 at the latch. The C-Mag (unloaded is .995 wide, 1.044 wide at the latch. the hole is about .010 wider in each direction on the C-mag. Distance to to top of the hole to the top of the feed lips was within .005 or probably about as close to the same as I could measure.

As you can see the C-Mag latch is also physically wider.

Also FWIW I have read a couple threads where other SCAR 17 Shooters at no problems with theirs. I hope the two here are the exception rather than the rule................................................DJ

Why doesn't a company just make an EXACT copy of the FN mag?

possible design infringment of some kind, or they wanted to make "upgrades"

I wonder if it has anything to do with how FN " de-bans' the lower when they get to the US and mills down the metal tab used to keep the lower from taking a high cap? I would guess FNH has a jig that they use ? Maybe not ? This would explain different tollerences in the lowers maybe ? I noticed on my 17 heavy that a loaded mag had to be " slapped" in hard in order for the mag to catch with FN factory mags . Just a random thought ? Still waiting for my c-products mags ........

What did C-Products base thier mag on? Did they just copy a FAL mag and add the mag catch?
If so they failed. As the SCAR 17 mag is a tad bigger / longer that FAL mags. Modifiying FAL mags won't work correctly.
FN made the SCAR mags a lil longer to allow the newer longer OAL of the modern long range ammo that didn't exist when the FAL was in production.

Sometimes reverse engineering doesn't end well the first time thru. Keep trying C-products.
A Magizine HAS to be 100% relieble. Without that level of quality they are no more than metal coasters for your coffee table.

Magpul, please step up to the plate.

Magpul will never step up to the plate.

Polymer has to be thick to be strong (compared to steel) and magpul has said they can't do it with scar mags

If they made a SCAR lower that used SR25 mags everyone would be happy

DJ have you measured your FN mags and compared them to the C Products mag?

Just curious if the dimensions are the same or slightly different.

Max

+1 - maybe an ACR stock adapter but that will prolly never come to be.

What if they single stack the portion of polymer that goes into the receiver and then extends it out to 2 stacks?

Kind of like this...
http://www.armatac.com/products.html

It would make sense to me... there's a lot of money to be made. I doubt Magpul hasn't *really* looked into it.

Well that would make sense, with SR25's in our inventory, and LMT's in British inventory. What a concept, standardization

Until recently, SR25s were a rarity.... Even in SOCOM.

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Easier for them to obtain future contracts when the military already has X number of their mags.

They weren't asked to build the SCAR H around any particular magazine and when the Heavy was originally developed the M110 was not yet type classified or adopted. They built it around the slightly modified FAL magazine which has been providing faithful, reliable service for over 60 years. I'd say that's a pretty proven performer.

I do wish that NATO would standardize a 7.62mm magazine (with adequete tolerances to make it out of polymer) the way they have with the 5.56mm magazine.

Stephen

But the mags are in the system, the SR25 magazine platform is becoming the standard of all new 308 based AR platforms, the British are now using it. To me thats one reason the AR10 series will not be adopted, who needs two 308 based AR platforms together using different mags?

Wonder what it would tak to modify them over?

But wasnt the M110 system in testing in units? We know the AR10 series was allready ruled out, and with the SR25 magazine being what the new 308 based AR platforms are using now, LMT, LaRue, Stoner, and DPMS? That right there is 4 manufacturers building 308 AR's using the same mags. We all know the FAL mag AR's have not faired well, and while the AR10 using modified M14 mags in concept sounds good, the Armalite rifles never gained acceptance in the military. Heck, their idea of using them was good, but how many M14 mags are still in the system, then having to modify them?

ANd still a rarity. I would fathom that by the time its all said and done, there will be just as many SCAR-Hs in the system as M110s.... Especially with SOCOM. Plus, ever try to get spare mags through the system for your "unique" weapon, be it M14, M11 pistol, etc? Yeah, good luck.....Better keep the BII mags.

As for the Brits using it, who cares. Their supply system is seperate...... ANd I am sure their LMT users will be like our M14 users. Always short of magazines.

The DSAs worked great for me.

The XM110 competition ran after FN was selected for the SCAR program. I would love it if the SCAR Heavy took an SR25 sized magazine, mostly so that a polymer magazine like the 7.62mm PMAG could be used, but the fact remains that there is no STANAG 7.62mm magazine in the US or NATO inventory. There was no real motivation for FN, SOCOM, Crane, or anybody else involved in SCAR to choose a magazine that was already available.

Stephen

My point on the Brits was simply that another country is using a platform using the SR25 style mag, I know their system is different, but that said, as more countries use the SR25, LMT and SCAR17, it would be nice for a common 7.62 mag.

Those days are long gone..Even during the 7.62 era, there were two patterns of FAL mags, G3 mags, M14 mags, and BM59 mags in use by Nato.

Well the only rifle in existence that takes SCAR H magazines is the SCAR H

There are a dozen or more rifles that take SR25 pattern magazines.

Magpul mags them cheap, LaRue makes em, C-products makes em, etc.. FNH did it to make more money on something they already had (FAL mag design). There is no good reason to have used proprietary magazines.

Most of which were not in use/production when the H was being designed; None of which are even "standarized" for .mil use yet.

Lets see.

The scar h mag is based off a legacy magazine that fn designed in the 40s and has over 70 years experience manufacturing.

Vests the sr 25 mag that was never standardized and made in great quantity.

I have 4 of the C Products mags. I can only get 20 rounds in any of them but they do feed properly. I put Motor Mica (dry lube) into them and that seems to make for smoother operation and loading. I've ordered 5 more and have 4 real SCAR mags on order just in case Washington goes stupid with an executive order.

The 5 I have are junk. All loaded with 25 rounds OK. All would only fire 1 round at a time, 2nd round bolt passover. 3 of the 5 dropped free from the magwell on their own. All rattled when loaded and allowed the rounds to tip front to back. JUNK IMHO. Called CProduct CS 3 times with no reply. Asked for a refund. E-mailed, still waiting for a reply.

My advice is wait for factory FN mags.

Wow that sucks.

Will C Products make it right?

I wonder?

Max

I find it strange that c-products hasn't burst into this thread to defend themselves... Usually one word about them makes their ears burn and they are here...

read last couple posts

The reason you get no response from them.

JCS

I see.. well i hope everyone with SCAR H mags get theirs fixed either way

Larry(c-products) just posted that the company is SOLD
the above link.

JCS

FKD Hope you guys get taken care of.

doing that with a multi-step sheetmetal forming operation is a lot harder than you might think.

you know hoe to tell that Mecgar makes mags for a bunch of pistol manufacturers? compare them side by side; my Sig P226 mags from Sig and Mecgar are absolutely identical dimensionally. you don't just throw together some tooling and start doing that.

LightningII,
It would have been nice if they would have figured that out prior to production and sale to customers. At $41 a piece they aren't exactly cheap magazines.

No one will not be taken care of. Any defective product will be replaced at no charge. The integrity of C Products will remain the same as always.

Larry

Larry,
I just spoke to Sarah @ CProducts customer service and she is sending me a UPS return shipping label with my RMA #. I hope you can make the SCAR mags function reliably as I really want to keep them. I'll post how this turns out. I notice that the thread on the sale of CProducts in the AR15 Magazine section as referenced in the above post by JCShunter has been removed, does this mean CProducts has not been sold?
Thank You

No C Products has been sold. I can tell you the new owner is 150% behind making everything good. The SCAR H will function properly. As well as any product manufactured.

Larry

WOW. Makes me want to buy their mags when things are sorted out

Still waiting for that promised return call tag. Spoke to Sara again and she said I'm the only one that's complained. Is that true? I'm begining to feel a screwing. I'll call again tomorrow. I'm about ready to start slamming them on all the forums.

Spoke to CProducts CS rep., Sara, again today. Now there are 4 people who have the same issues to varying degree with the SCAR H mags, very few complaints considering the large number sold. She said they're waiting on springs, then they'll assemble, test and ship out the replacement magazines. I'll just try to be patient, very hard for me. Anyone know where I can get some black factory mags?

Good luck with that. The 4 SCAR mags I ordered from Midway on Jan 5 has had their ship date pushed back from 2/27 to 3/17.

The only real complaint I have about FN is their lack of spare magazines for the SCAR 17, sucks to have a $3,000 rifle with only 1 mag.

Have they made the mags right yet?

Max

I'm starting to get a little pissed with C-Products.

I ordered 10 SCAR-H mags on Jan 7th, and my card was charged a few weeks later, but still no mags.

I've sent a few emails that have went unanswered, and just now sent another one using their "contact us" link. Crossing fingers.

I'd call, but I'm out of the country at the moment.

mac130-You gotta call, talk to Sara. I never get a reply from them by e-mail. I know it's a bitch trying to make a phone call while deployed.

I called customer service and requested a refund. They said they would get back to me within a couple days.

That was a week and a half ago and I've not heard from them since.

A Buddy wanted to try one is his, loading just 5 rounds it ran fine in his gun. He hasn't tried it full yet.

I'd still prefer to just get a refund on the other 2, one of them is unopened.

I will never trust them in my gun.

I should have gotten a call back but haven't.......................................................DJ

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