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 Scar 17 review with pics **Dial Up Warning- Pic Heavy**
Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/16/2010 10:29:58 PM
Pre ordered a Scar 17s about 2 months ago from a law enforcement distributor and it just arrived. Here's a few pics I thought I'd share. Gonna take it out this weekend and see how it runs. Initial impression before firing is that it felt surprisingly light even from what I had expected. Everyone that picked it up when it arrived was surprised by the light weight. The flip up rear sight seems well thought out with both windage and elevation adjustments, small and large aperture, and a 200 - 600 meter elevation settings similar to the KAC 600 meter sight. The front sight requires manipulating a small very flat knob to unlock so you can flip the sight up. I couldn't consistently raise the front sight quickly. I still have to get used to the feel of the plastic folding stock. Having been issued rifles with more metal or aluminum in them for 21 years makes you feel like plastic stocks are just too fragile. Field stripping is simple. Slide the front push pin, slide the lower assembly forward and off, slide off the butt stock, and remove the buffer and bolt assembly. The bolt assembly and short stroke piston extension feels like one solid hunk of steel (because it is). The approximately 3/4 inch wide and 1/2 inch thick piston extension is a very noticeable difference when compared to some of the other skinny gas piston system rods on AR type piston systems. With the steep increase in ammo prices, I don't get out to the range as much as I used to but I will try to put up some more reviews as I put some rounds downrange. If any of you others have purchased the Scar 17, please post your impressions and reviews. It came with one mag that kinda looks like a FAL mag with modifications.

















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SilentREAPER  [Member]
7/16/2010 11:08:53 PM
Absolutely Awesome.
Look forward to seeing your posts.
The SCAR 17 is next on the list to go with my Mk14 Mod1.
modernwarfare  [Member]
7/16/2010 11:47:45 PM
Im slowly falling in love with .308 and have always been a FN fan. I have a two questions:
1. Can you break down the BCG (if thats what its called in that) more?
2. Is the shortest barrel available 16"?
Thanks
ejay84  [Member]
7/17/2010 6:33:34 AM
Awesome!!! I've been bringing my lunches to work to save my pennies for one for months now. Can't wait to read some range reports
SenselessPuma  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 8:21:31 AM
The mags just look like modified FAL mags.
M4  [Life Member]
7/17/2010 8:37:28 AM

Originally Posted By SenselessPuma:
The mags just look like modified FAL mags.

Who better than FN to do it, right?
Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 9:33:49 AM
Originally Posted By modernwarfare:
I'm slowly falling in love with .308 and have always been a FN fan. I have a two questions:
1. Can you break down the BCG (if thats what its called in that) more?
2. Is the shortest barrel available 16"?
Thanks


The bolt assembly is easy to break down. The rear pin seen in the pic is the firing pin diasassembly pin. It has a rubber O-ring and takes heavy pressure to press back in place. I had to use the rear of a punch and still had to work on it for a bit to get it in place.

It's hard to find info as to what spare parts and accessories will be available. I found these pics of our troops using the Scar 17 in Afghanistan so it appears that they make shorter barrels for the Scar 17. Whether they will be available in the US for the 17s may be a different story. Hopefully the Taliban have noticed the introduction of the Scar 17 by our US troops.................


Bolt Assembly








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metroplex  [Member]
7/17/2010 9:38:58 AM
The civilian SCAR 16 / 17 is great, but the military SBR'd MK 16 / MK 17 is just plain sexy!
kiddsf  [Member]
7/17/2010 11:38:37 AM
Hello, I'm a SCAR noob, but I really would like to get one of those SCAR 17S.

My question is,
Can the receiver of the SCAR17 handle the power of the .308? I heard is the same strength as the .223 SCAR16 version.
How about the plastic/polymer buttstock? Seems to me the butt stock will break from the bolt carrier smashing into it.

Please teach a noob like me the awesomeness of the SCAR, thank you
SRTM4  [Member]
7/17/2010 12:09:08 PM
Originally Posted By kiddsf:
Hello, I'm a SCAR noob, but I really would like to get one of those SCAR 17S.

My question is,
Can the receiver of the SCAR17 handle the power of the .308? I heard is the same strength as the .223 SCAR16 version.
How about the plastic/polymer buttstock? Seems to me the butt stock will break from the bolt carrier smashing into it.

Please teach a noob like me the awesomeness of the SCAR, thank you



The SCAR has been rigorously tested by FN and SOCOM. Both the SCAR 16 and 17 will be as durable as any firearm out there. No need to worry about the falling off buttstocks and cracked receivers.
The awesomeness of the SCAR is on par with the people that it is killing having 72 virgins when they die!
kiddsf  [Member]
7/17/2010 12:17:58 PM
Okay, so is the receiver of both 16 and 17 built on the strength/receiver required for the SCAR17?
I asked b/c I think if they just put a .308 in a .223 version, the weapon will not be very reliable.
Kind of like how they strengthened the receiver on the AR10 for the heavier caliber.
Centauro97  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 3:05:46 PM
Originally Posted By kiddsf:
Okay, so is the receiver of both 16 and 17 built on the strength/receiver required for the SCAR17?
I asked b/c I think if they just put a .308 in a .223 version, the weapon will not be very reliable.
Kind of like how they strengthened the receiver on the AR10 for the heavier caliber.


Same logic applies to the AR-15 5.56 platform to the AR-10 7.62 platform. "Same" receiver and "same" material, both seem to work fine. The AR-10 is larger in dimension to handle the larger cartridge but not really "strengthened" beyond that.

As long as the bolt is locking into the rear of the barrel, true for the SCAR as well as the AR series, the receiver simply holds the parts in alignment. The bolt and barrel extension take the high-pressure energies.

I wouldn't pay much attention to the commando-engineers who are worried about the polymer lower receivers in the SCAR series. They probably don't believe a Glock will work either.

C97
MP0117  [Member]
7/17/2010 3:07:45 PM
DO WANT.
101ABN327  [Member]
7/17/2010 5:28:30 PM
Could you post some closeups of the magazine? From what I can see, a FAL mag can be easily miditied for the SCAR 17.

101
Morbidbattlecry  [Member]
7/17/2010 5:35:31 PM
These are awesome. Still crappy that FN still won't send them with at least a cleaning kit, sling or at the very least a damn hat.
M4Madness  [Site Staff]
7/17/2010 5:44:38 PM
I'm curious as to whether or not it has the "common receiver" that has been spoken of lately. I'd like to have one if I could convert it from 7.62MM to 5.56MM and vice versa. I have already owned and sold a SCAR 16S, but would love to have one that would allow both calibers.
James00  [Member]
7/17/2010 7:27:09 PM
Originally Posted By 101ABN327:
Could you post some closeups of the magazine? From what I can see, a FAL mag can be easily miditied for the SCAR 17.

101


Or more than one mag since you cant by them yet!
Kristofer_G  [Team Member]
7/17/2010 9:47:05 PM
Just wanted to add my Mk17 CQC appreciation.



searchin4shacks  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 10:12:52 AM
This is most surely on my to buy list. Just waiting for the intial price spike to wear off
DerekCB  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 1:28:14 PM
That is the next rifle I'll buy. I got to handle a full auto one yesterday at a shoot. It feels and weighs damn near the same as the SCAR 16s I bought for my son. I thought the balance was damn near perfect and the thing is light. I also got to shoot the SCAR L CQC full auto. What a great little carbine that is too!

Some complain about the charging handle on the SCAR. To me that is ergonomically and functionally one of the best features of the rifle. I find no need for the bolt release except in locking the bolt back. I can't wait to have the opportunity to buy one of these!
maxell27  [Member]
7/18/2010 3:06:58 PM
I am waiting for a FDE.

Your black one is nice. I can wait for the FDE though. Wonder if the mags are selling yet?

Max
CProducts  [Industry Partner]
7/18/2010 3:12:20 PM
Originally Posted By maxell27:
I am waiting for a FDE.

Your black one is nice. I can wait for the FDE though. Wonder if the mags are selling yet?

Max


C Products will have a 5, 10 and 25 round magazine in 3-4 weeks. DSA will have a 20 round magazine available in 3-4 weeks.

Larry

Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/18/2010 6:14:39 PM
Scar update

Took the Scar 17s out for a little range time. Was rushed for time and everyone wanted to shoot it so didn't get a chance to zero the weapon or do any accuracy testing. Fired about 360 rounds of ammo. Mostly Portuguese surplus, Federal FMJ, and a couple boxes of Peruvian ammo.

Once again everyone was surprised at the light weight. The recoil was noticeably less than other 7.62 semi auto rifles. One of my friends had an Armalite AR10 Carbine and one had a Springfield Armory Scout which we loaded up and had each shooter fire consecutively. Everyone was in agreement that the Scar 17s had noticeably less recoil as well as muzzle climb. People watching the shooter transition through the three weapons could notice the reduced recoil and muzzle climb of the Scar 17s. I read somewhere that someone shot the 5.56 Scar and the 7.62 Scar and barely noticed a difference. Although the recoil was noticeably less than the other 7.62 rifles, anyone who has shot a lot of both caliber rifles will know you are shooting a 7.62. There's no mistaking it for a 5.56. The other thing you notice immediately is that the compensator makes the Scar 17s noticeably louder than the other two rifles. The Scar 17s send out quite a bark. Myself and one of my friends had the occasion to hold the forend too close to the reciprocating charging handle and got swatted by the handle. Nothing that hurt or caused a jam, but it's something you have to get used to if you normally hold your duty weapon on the forend close to the receiver.

The Scar 17s ran well except that as we were running out of 7.62 ammo, someone gave me a couple boxes of some tarnished Peru 7.62 surplus ammo. We had two jams with that Peruvian ammo where the bolt failed to completely close. It ran perfectly with the Federal and Portuguese surplus ammo. Very pleased with the performance so far. Will have to decide which optic I want to go with. Money is a big factor right now so may not get exactly what I would like to put on it. I didn't get a chance to clean it but will take some pics of the bolt and piston assy before I clean it.


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maxell27  [Member]
7/18/2010 6:57:16 PM
Originally Posted By CProducts:
Originally Posted By maxell27:
I am waiting for a FDE.

Your black one is nice. I can wait for the FDE though. Wonder if the mags are selling yet?

Max


C Products will have a 5, 10 and 25 round magazine in 3-4 weeks. DSA will have a 20 round magazine available in 3-4 weeks.

Larry



Larry,

Thanks for the heads up. I will e ordering from you guys soon.

Max
iceagent  [Member]
7/19/2010 5:11:20 PM
I want one of these so bad. Just trying to decide on what color. Can't afford both or I wouldn't have to decide.
kiddsf  [Member]
7/19/2010 7:14:10 PM
@Full-Auto,

Can you take post some pics of the butt stock where it meets the receiver? And maybe a pic of the rear of the recoil rod?
I'm just curious to know how the Polymer butt stock won't break from the recoil of the 7.62x51

Thank you very much for your updates and posts
Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/19/2010 8:30:13 PM
Very pleased with the Scar 17s so far although it was a brief range session. Ran 360 rounds through it just to allow everyone a chance to shoot it. Will zero irons and select optics next trip to range. The Scar 17s reduced recoil allowed faster follow up shots than the AR10 and Springfield Scout.

Just got a chance to field strip it after the shoot. Took some pics to show what the weapons internals looks after 360 rounds via the FN short stroke piston system. I lubed the bolt and bolt carrier assembly as I am used to with a generous coating of lube prior to firing. I probably over lubed the piston gun. The majority of the weapons internals looked like what an M4 would look like after maybe a dozen rounds fired. There was no built up carbon anywhere. The bolt face had some red residue (primer sealant) and a bit if brass flecks probably from the crappy Peruvian surplus ammo I shot at the end where I got the two jams. I had a friend chrono the Peruvian surplus using his AR10 and it varied between 200 to 240 fps slower than the other ammo we were using. After I took these pics, I used a dry paper towel and wiped the bolt for about ten seconds and took the bottom pics where the bolt looked like it is brand new. Pretty incredible after 360 rounds. I tried taking pics of the short piston behind the front sight post but couldn't get the shot through the fore end vent hole. The piston rod is still shiny with no sign of carbon anywhere.

Scar 17s field stripped after 360 rounds fired











Pics of Bolt after ten seconds of wiping with a dry paper towel




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kiddsf  [Member]
7/19/2010 8:56:06 PM
Is the bolt missing a little piece of the locking lug/ star?
Looks like a chip on the lug
Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/19/2010 9:01:57 PM
Here ya go. If you're asking if the Scar 17s folding butt stock is as strong as the Ar10A2 or SR25 A2 Stock, the answer is no. There are often trade offs for reducing weight and size. The ability of the Scar 17s stock to fold, allows it to be more compact for certain applications that you may or may not desire or require. The use of a plastic stock was a concern of mine also. After using the Scar17s at the range (albeit a brief range session), it does seem much stronger than it looks. The use of plastics allows for a lighter weapon which was certainly got most of the comments from all who fired it. A lighter weapon means easier to carry, a little faster to maneuver from target to target, and the ability to carry more of something else (ammo ect) because of the reduced weight. Yes it probably has a higher possibility of breakage. If you don't have the requirements or desire that some may for a lighter more compact weapon, something like the other offerings in the AR type 308 family of weapons may be better suited for you.



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Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/19/2010 9:06:50 PM
Originally Posted By kiddsf:
Is the bolt missing a little piece of the locking lug/ star?
Looks like a chip on the lug


No, it's a beveled and polished area from factory on the particular lug. It's hard to see it in the pic. Not sure what the bevel is for though.

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stephen_101st  [Member]
7/19/2010 9:08:05 PM
Originally Posted By Full-Auto:
Originally Posted By kiddsf:
Is the bolt missing a little piece of the locking lug/ star?
Looks like a chip on the lug


No, it's a beveled and polished area from factory on the particular lug. It's hard to see it in the pic. Not sure what the bevel is for though.

Full-Auto


The detent is there so that the bolt hold open lever has a more positive engagement surface.

Stephen

Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/19/2010 9:25:24 PM
Originally Posted By stephen_101st:
Originally Posted By Full-Auto:
Originally Posted By kiddsf:
Is the bolt missing a little piece of the locking lug/ star?
Looks like a chip on the lug


No, it's a beveled and polished area from factory on the particular lug. It's hard to see it in the pic. Not sure what the bevel is for though.

Full-Auto


The detent is there so that the bolt hold open lever has a more positive engagement surface.

Stephen



Copy, Thanks for the info Stephen. Good to know.

Full-Auto

kiddsf  [Member]
7/19/2010 10:58:51 PM
@Full-Auto,

Another question,
I do not see any sign of wear on the connecting area between stock and receiver,
Does the bolt carrier actually make contact with the stock connect area when the rifle is fired?
ViperEH  [Team Member]
7/20/2010 2:54:33 AM
Full-Auto, Great info and pics n glad someone is getting out there and shooting it. Keep the info coming. Do you plan on buying any aftermarket mags when available?
Wish I could find one in stock somewhere. Thanks for the reviews.

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Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/20/2010 6:48:15 AM
Originally Posted By kiddsf:
@Full-Auto,

Another question,
I do not see any sign of wear on the connecting area between stock and receiver,
Does the bolt carrier actually make contact with the stock connect area when the rifle is fired?


The bolt carriers (if it travels completely to the rear) would strike the oval shaped buffer that the buffer spring is attached to as seen in the pics in the oval cutout in the rear of the receiver.

Full-Auto
ARCANGEL  [Member]
7/20/2010 12:05:06 PM
Well it looks like I will have to sell my M1A scout ....definitely DO WANT!!!!
RABIDFOX50  [Team Member]
7/20/2010 12:18:16 PM
Can you change out the stock for say a Magpul or VLTOR?
LIONHART  [Team Member]
7/20/2010 6:11:35 PM
Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50:
Can you change out the stock for say a Magpul or VLTOR?






LVMPDawg  [Member]
7/21/2010 12:29:31 AM
Different strokes for different folks, although the standard buttstock is much more adjustable than that one.
Can't wait for the accuracy test. My 16S is an MOA rifle with 55gr TRU.
RABIDFOX50  [Team Member]
7/21/2010 11:32:13 AM
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50:
Can you change out the stock for say a Magpul or VLTOR?




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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss10/huge/P1030866.jpg



Many thanks.
Full-Auto  [Team Member]
7/21/2010 6:29:16 PM
I had several IM's asking where I got my Scar 17s from. I got mine from GT Distributors Law Enforcement Supply for $2329. They now have them listed at that price on their website. They asked me to provide a copy of Law Enforcement ID and the FFL info. They also have the Scar 16s at $2199. I called for a buddy and said he was retired US Military and they sold it to him at the same price. Call and ask for Luke and tell them Full-Auto told you to call and he said he would give consideration to the Ar15.com members even if not LE Mil. They said they just sold out but are expecting more very soon.

Mods let me know if posting the name of the vendor is against policy.


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TNVC_Clasky  [Industry Partner]
7/22/2010 11:23:22 AM
DO WANT!
CProducts  [Industry Partner]
7/23/2010 7:50:10 AM
Originally Posted By TNVC_Clasky:
DO WANT!


We have had the opportunity to fire both the light and heavy a number of times, semi and full auto. The heavy with a 25 round magazine on full auto even for a "rookie" was very comfortable and easy to control. The rifle has a very nice balance and is not as heavy as it appears to be. I can understand why the military wants to use this weapon.

Larry
BlitzPig  [Team Member]
7/24/2010 2:04:01 PM
It's been a long time since I have purchased a new rifle of any kind.

My experience with FNH's FNP and FNX series pistols, and the ramping up of aftermarket magazine production are going a long way towards sealing the deal for me on the SCAR 17.

Is there an ACOG that is properly calibrated for the 17's caliber and barrel length?
Silesius  [Member]
7/24/2010 6:16:51 PM
Colt_sporter  [Team Member]
7/25/2010 1:42:00 AM
Anyone know how much the mags will cost?
maxell27  [Member]
7/25/2010 8:49:23 AM
Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:
Anyone know how much the mags will cost?


C Products will be manufacturing them as well as the factory.

I can't imagine that they will be over 40 bucks each, hopefully less.

Max

JoshNC  [Member]
7/25/2010 9:28:12 AM
Originally Posted By maxell27:
C Products will be manufacturing them as well as the factory.


That will be good; SCAR17 owners can then be assured of some malfunction drills at the range in between using factory mags........ :)
CProducts  [Industry Partner]
7/25/2010 1:23:40 PM
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By maxell27:
C Products will be manufacturing them as well as the factory.


That will be good; SCAR17 owners can then be assured of some malfunction drills at the range in between using factory mags........ :)


Trolls can be found everywhere!!!


Larry
widerstehe  [Member]
7/25/2010 1:27:50 PM
Sweet. Now go out, get 150 headshots so you can get the digital camo and post pics!
Taipan  [Team Member]
7/25/2010 1:48:31 PM
Originally Posted By widerstehe:
Sweet. Now go out, get 150 headshots so you can get the digital camo and post pics!


LMFAO!!!!!!