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tri-burst kit questions
8/16/2011 5:51:07 AM
This might be a dumb question but its one I don't know the answer to. I was looking on Brownells web site at full auto kits and the tri-burst kits, the photo of the tri-burst kit doesn't show a auto sear included with the kit but the regular FA kit thats less money then the tri-burst kit does come with an auto sear. Does a AR thats set up for 3rd burst use a auto sear along with the burst parts? Is the auto sear only used with FA receivers? Im moving to AZ next month last I knew Registered FA receivers were legal there I do hope they still are.
8/16/2011 6:12:27 AM
Yes the 3 round burst uses the auto sear. I'm not a fan of the 3 round burst though, much better to just get good with proper trigger control in full-auto. Yes AZ is a free state and you can buy registered machine guns there. But keep in mind a registered receiver M-16 will cost $10K or more, depending on manufacture and quality of course. Not cheap to get into, but I do love my machine guns 
8/16/2011 9:21:13 AM
You can't just make an AR full auto without asking for alot of trouble.
Make sure you know the laws before altering any weapons.
Make sure you know the laws before altering any weapons.
8/16/2011 10:02:30 AM
Originally Posted By Deadman573:
Im moving to AZ next month last I knew Registered FA receivers were legal there I do hope they still are.
Im moving to AZ next month last I knew Registered FA receivers were legal there I do hope they still are.
Yes FA is legal in AZ so you will be good to go. Keep an eye on Sturm and subguns and expect to pay 9k-15k (or more depending on what you want) for a registered full auto AR receiver. Welcome to this section of he forum and congrats on your upcoming escape from NY! I had to live there for a few years while my wife was training and it sure felt good to get back to my un neutered guns in a free state.
Be sure totake a look at the stickies in the general section so you get a good overview of how the NFA process works as well....I hope you've been saving your pennies...the hobby tends to..um..drain the fun gun account rather quickly if you know what I mean.
8/16/2011 10:32:56 AM
Deadman, I was born and raised in NY .... congratulations on moving to a Free State. 
As others have noted, Congress ended the manufacture of MGs for civilians effective May 19, 1986. So if you want an M16, you must find one manufactured and registered prior to that date, or a conversion device such as an RDIAS or RLL manufactured and registered before then.
The parts kits in Brownells are only useful to those civilians who own M16s made prior to that date. And parts are a minor issue; the challenge is finding the host M16. Not many out there under $10k today, and those are mill-and-drill conversions; factory Colt '16s start at around $14k, and go way up from there.
Don't worry about the $200 fire-control parts kit, at this point.
As others have noted, Congress ended the manufacture of MGs for civilians effective May 19, 1986. So if you want an M16, you must find one manufactured and registered prior to that date, or a conversion device such as an RDIAS or RLL manufactured and registered before then.
The parts kits in Brownells are only useful to those civilians who own M16s made prior to that date. And parts are a minor issue; the challenge is finding the host M16. Not many out there under $10k today, and those are mill-and-drill conversions; factory Colt '16s start at around $14k, and go way up from there.
Don't worry about the $200 fire-control parts kit, at this point.
8/17/2011 5:29:33 AM
Really no more FA M16's after May 19, 1986? There must be millions of FA receivers built for Law enforcement as well as the military every year. What happens to the old receivers that end up as surplus?
8/17/2011 5:36:31 AM
Originally Posted By Deadman573:
Really no more FA M16's after May 19, 1986? There must be millions of FA receivers built for Law enforcement as well as the military every year. What happens to the old receivers that end up as surplus?
Really no more FA M16's after May 19, 1986? There must be millions of FA receivers built for Law enforcement as well as the military every year. What happens to the old receivers that end up as surplus?
If I was going to guess, it would look something like this:
Military––->National Guard/Reserves––->Police––->Furnace/Steamroller.
I don't know if that's strictly true, but I think it used to work like that.
8/17/2011 9:05:11 AM
Originally Posted By Deadman573:
Really no more FA M16's after May 19, 1986? There must be millions of FA receivers built for Law enforcement as well as the military every year. What happens to the old receivers that end up as surplus?
Really no more FA M16's after May 19, 1986? There must be millions of FA receivers built for Law enforcement as well as the military every year. What happens to the old receivers that end up as surplus?
The pre-1986 M16s built for law enforcement may legally be sold to civilians.
Unfortunately, most of them were sold years ago.
When the value of transferable M16s started climbing, the FFL/SOT dealers who supply LE agencies started offering them great trade-in deals. The departments could get a ton of newer, better gear for free. (Think about it: One used M16 could bring the department $10k in brand new gear.)
While there is still the occasional M16 hidden away in the back of an LE armory here and there, most are either (a)already sold, or (b) belong to departments where the elected officials have policies preventing resale of firearms to the public. Those will never see light of day.
As far as pre-1986 M16s build for the military, those were never entered into the NFA Registry. Federal law exempts military contracts. And remember, 922(o) says the machine gun must have been built and registered prior to May 19, 1986. So regardless of when they were made, military issue M16s may only be (a) lent (but not given) to LE agencies, or (b) fed into a chipper.
Sigh.
