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Dan12  [Team Member]
7/24/2011 1:03:07 PM
Ok, so currently I have a M-11/9 that I use a lot and an M-11A1 that is still NIB with all the paperwork just the way it left the factory in '85 or so (I haven't been able to track down the manufacturer date yet....all the stampings are RPB but it is paperd by SWD). Those of you that have had NIB MG's when did you decide to shoot them? I keep thinking on one hand values are down so I might as well take it out and shoot it, and on the other hand, I keep thinking I have a MAC that I shoot, I should leave this one in the box in case someone is out there looking to pay a premium for a never shot mac someday....

What is ya'lls opinion? Shoot it? Keep it new? Why?

Thanks for you insights....

Dan
WhatsThatSmell  [Member]
7/24/2011 3:54:39 PM
Are you a collector or a shooter?

I started out as a shooter, and as I kept shooting, I obtained more and more guns.

Eventually, all of my "needs" were met, and I began buying guns on principle, i.e., because it's a good deal, because its rare, because I've always wanted one, etc, etc, etc.

I believe this is when I crossed over from a shooter to a collector.

I now have so many guns that I haven't shot that it sometimes annoys me.

Don't get me wrong, I still shoot..a lot...but, I also have the satisfaction of knowing that I've got some cool toys that are BNIB, and that will continue to be as beautiful and fresh as the day I brought them home....Why? Because I keep them that way.

I believe that guns and property should always stay in the family...and this is my contribution to my posterity....which is why most of my guns are protected by a trust.

Even if you do choose to sell it one day, the drop in value due to market deflation will not compare to the drop in value if you turn it into a shooter.

Just my .02

~WTS
DirtyHandsRob  [Member]
7/24/2011 5:50:29 PM
i got an M10. it was NIB and i was gonna keep it that way. then i got the paperwork back and i changed my mind immediately. it was too much fun. of course it was my first FA, so i wasn't immune to the FA bug.... and i doubt i will ever be immune to it.
Fredmisery  [Member]
7/24/2011 6:54:13 PM
Just shoot it, or sell it, FA's need to be used not kept in a safe. I see MACs and m11s NIB and used selling for around the same price so I doubt it's going to kill resale by more than a few hundred bucks. I know it's your gun, but my preference is to shoot my FA stuff as much as possible.
Fredmisery  [Member]
7/24/2011 6:58:27 PM
If you do shoot it you'll want to inspect it well first, some materials on that gun may have degraded in the past 26 yrs, (heard a few complaints about old M11s in another thread) but I'd still say shoot it.
Dan12  [Team Member]
7/24/2011 8:31:46 PM
yeah...the buffer....well the remains of it.....are the consitencay of eraser dust.......

If I didn't have another, I would have shot it already....now I feel like I am almost doing a dis-service to someone who may still only be a kid now by sometime in the future might want the chance to break in a NIB MG....yet I still want to shoot it...but I don't want to be selfish.....That is why I am looking for all of your advice...
damcv62  [Life Member]
7/24/2011 9:36:47 PM
If I had two, one was new in box, I'd shoot the one I shoot, and leave the other NIB. Not that there isn't still alot of NIB MAC's running around, but still. Kind of cool to have a NIB MG.
booger-hooker  [Team Member]
7/24/2011 11:16:13 PM
I'm going thru the same thing with my NIB Vector UZI that I've had for about 5-6 years, but it's not because I don't want to shoot it for fear of damaging the value it's just because I haven't got around to it...along with another 25 or so firearms I own and have never shot.
Fredmisery  [Member]
7/25/2011 12:13:11 AM
My Vector was brand new as well. It took me about a month to get it to the range, but it was the most fun I ever had until I got my M16. You'll love shooting it if you get around to it. Not as many of those floating around NIB though. I'd shoot it though, but I'm not much for just collecting, I have to shoot my guns. I did go about 6 years with 6 or 7 guns in the safe that were just sitting there brand new, but the wife told me I couldn't buy another gun until I at least shot the ones sitting in the safe that had never been to the range. So I took 'em out and then went and bought some more. That's the only way she encourages me to go shooting though.....
BuffDragon  [Team Member]
7/25/2011 5:12:35 PM
Originally Posted By damcv62:
If I had two, one was new in box, I'd shoot the one I shoot, and leave the other NIB. Not that there isn't still alot of NIB MAC's running around, but still. Kind of cool to have a NIB MG.


exactly this

why have two shooters?
I'd consider selling the BNIB and buying other toys for your shooter. new suppressor. Lage Max11 upper, Max31 upper, 22lr kit, etc.
I've got more than enough in "accessories/etc" for my m11 to have purchased another NIB. but why?
MadMardigan  [Team Member]
7/25/2011 9:57:52 PM
Once I get my paper work, I am walking to the back of the shop I bought it at, and doing some mag dumps in there range.

It's NIB, soon to be used.
Chas8008  [Team Member]
7/26/2011 5:15:26 AM

Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Once I get my paper work, I am walking to the back of the shop I bought it at, and doing some mag dumps in there range.

It's NIB, soon to be used.

Bring, GLOVES, eyes/ears, lube, 3-4 differnt types of ammo, a NEW buffer, a camera (look at all the welds and take photos, before and after to see ot any open up)

She might not run real well out of the box.
BuffDragon  [Team Member]
7/26/2011 11:48:26 AM
Originally Posted By Chas8008:

Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Once I get my paper work, I am walking to the back of the shop I bought it at, and doing some mag dumps in there range.

It's NIB, soon to be used.

Bring, GLOVES, eyes/ears, lube, 3-4 differnt types of ammo, a NEW buffer, a camera (look at all the welds and take photos, before and after to see ot any open up)

She might not run real well out of the box.



sounds like some of my friday nights in college
MadMardigan  [Team Member]
7/26/2011 8:44:02 PM

Originally Posted By BuffDragon:
Originally Posted By Chas8008:

Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
Once I get my paper work, I am walking to the back of the shop I bought it at, and doing some mag dumps in there range.

It's NIB, soon to be used.

Bring, GLOVES, eyes/ears, lube, 3-4 differnt types of ammo, a NEW buffer, a camera (look at all the welds and take photos, before and after to see ot any open up)

She might not run real well out of the box.



sounds like some of my friday nights in college

I will prob be bringing the Lage Max 11 and ACE stock and adapters I have ready too.
gmtmaster  [Member]
7/27/2011 12:41:09 AM
Originally Posted By Dan12:
Ok, so currently I have a M-11/9 that I use a lot and an M-11A1 that is still NIB with all the paperwork just the way it left the factory in '85 or so (I haven't been able to track down the manufacturer date yet....all the stampings are RPB but it is paperd by SWD). Those of you that have had NIB MG's when did you decide to shoot them? I keep thinking on one hand values are down so I might as well take it out and shoot it, and on the other hand, I keep thinking I have a MAC that I shoot, I should leave this one in the box in case someone is out there looking to pay a premium for a never shot mac someday....

What is ya'lls opinion? Shoot it? Keep it new? Why?

Thanks for you insights....

Dan


Shoot it to make sure it works. (Trust me on this)
hrt4me  [Team Member]
7/27/2011 7:34:46 PM
Six years ago I got a NIB RIA M60 and finally broke down and fired it after a few months at the last Hun Farm gathering
Notched  [Team Member]
8/8/2011 11:56:53 AM
shoot 'em before we have to bury them...


cyborg543  [Team Member]
8/17/2011 2:16:26 PM
I guess it depends on how much that first pull of the trigger costs you.

if you're talking about a MAC, it might be around $300

not a big deal

if you're talking about a mint condition WWII BAR, well you would be crazy to shoot it
GunBowanna  [Member]
8/17/2011 11:20:37 PM
Originally Posted By booger-hooker:
I'm going thru the same thing with my NIB Vector UZI that I've had for about 5-6 years, but it's not because I don't want to shoot it for fear of damaging the value it's just because I haven't got around to it...along with another 25 or so firearms I own and have never shot.


Oh THANK the Big "G"!!!

I'm NOT the only one.

Ya hear that damcv62

I'm NORMAL!!! I'm not the only one Buying MG's and not shooting them!!!
lucky_13  [Member]
8/26/2011 8:15:41 PM
It's a Mac. Having a nib Mac is like having a nib glock. Who cares? I know, they are still making glocks. But still.
cyborg543  [Team Member]
8/31/2011 6:36:08 PM
Originally Posted By lucky_13:
It's a Mac. Having a nib Mac is like having a nib glock. Who cares? I know, they are still making glocks. But still.


None of the "sheet metal bullet hose for the masses" type MGs have any real collector value.

UZIs are just 1950s sheet metal MGs, the FA ones are either conversions or cobbled together from south african parts.

In the collector market, condition is everything. An unfired 1938 luger might be worth twice or maore than what an fired luger in 100% condition would be worth.

But if a gun has no real collector value, the unfired value is just the personal satisfaction that a guy gets from knowing that ht egun hasn't been dicked with or abused.

in other words, and unfired UZI is only going to be worth maybe $300 more than an UZI in LNIB condition.

Not too many guys are going to turn their nose up at a LNIB MAC and insist on finding NIB, be willing to pay a big fat premium for that.

In order to have collector value a gun typically has to be associated with a colorful period of history or a very historic gun maker, which aint exactly the case for some 1980's UZI conversion job.