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 I want to make my AR full auto, what do I need to do
sambenn74  [Member]
3/2/2009 12:54:25 PM
What are proper steps?

Do I send the lower receiver and get a tax stamp on it then make it full auto or visa versa,

thanks
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THOLL223  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 1:00:38 PM
Hmmm, how do I be delicate.


Well first you must find a Lightning Link or RDIAS that is on the registry, drop it in after changing a few other parts.

Only Receivers made before 1986 that are on the NFA list and are transferrable are true full auto.
dwkennedy  [Member]
3/2/2009 1:01:00 PM
I had this same question, in late 1986... I called ATF with a question on how to fill out a Form 1. This was back before Internet, so the conversation that followed was rather shocking, to say the least

Sorry friend, you're 20+ years too late, what I think you're suggesting can't be done legally unless you're a licensed manufacturer. On the upside, you can "convert" your AR15 by purchasing a DIAS, lightning link, or lower receiver that was registered prior to 1986, should only cost you around $7K-15K (that's K, as in Kilo, as in thousands of dollars.)

HighGround  [Member]
3/2/2009 1:25:55 PM
Fill out the proper forms, get a tax stamp, buy a RDIAS, buy a m16 bolt carrier, m16 trigger, m16 hammer, m16 selector. Insert the RDIAS into the lower receiver... it's now your class 3 gun. Now change out the AR parts for the M16 parts and you have a select-fire M16. To convert back to a legal AR15, first remove the M16 parts from the lower, then remove the RDIAS last.

Since the ar-15 is only full auto when the RDIAS is inserted, it doesn't have to be a pre-1986 like the fellow above mentioned, the class 3 "machine gun" is the RDIAS itself. You can put it in any ar-15 legally so long as the RDIAS is legal and you legally own it.
Eukatae  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 1:29:15 PM
You have five choices for full auto AR15/M16:
A registered transferable:
(1) A Registered receiver(RR),
(2) A registered lighting link (LL),
(3) A registered drop in auto sear (RDIAS).
they range from around 8k for a LL, 9-12k for a shooter RR, 12-15k for a RDIAS, 16k+ for a Colt A2 RR or other such collectible RR.
Good places to find these: http://www.sturmgewehr.com and http://subguns.com/.
(4) Get a Class 3 (5k a year) plus other expenses; then get a post dealer sample, this requires a letter from a gov agency.
(5) Go to Jail.

Among the transferable there is frequent debate about which is the best option; A LL is cheapest but most prone to failure and least functional. A RR is a fine choice but it is possible although unlikely that it could either wear (although repair is usually possible) or be destroyed. RDIAS is also a good choice, you can put it in any low shelf lower receiver, the part that wears can easily be replaced if necessary and is highly functional. Its drawbacks: some fitting it usually required to get it to fit and function properly, even more fitting is required if you want it to be as slick, reliable, and field maintainable as a RR.

PS: I bet you thought you were going to do this for 200$ didn't you?
Magoo6541  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 1:44:36 PM
Originally Posted By Eukatae:
You have five choices for full auto AR15/M16:
A registered transferable:
(1) A Registered receiver(RR),
(2) A registered lighting link (LL),
(3) A registered drop in auto sear (RDIAS).
they range from around 8k for a LL, 9-12k for a shooter RR, 12-15k for a RDIAS, 16k+ for a Colt A2 RR or other such collectible RR.
Good places to find these: http://www.sturmgewehr.com and http://subguns.com/.
(4) Get a Class 3 (5k a year) plus other expenses; then get a post dealer sample, this requires a letter from a gov agency.
(5) Go to Jail.

Among the transferable there is frequent debate about which is the best option; A LL is cheapest but most prone to failure and least functional. A RR is a fine choice but it is possible although unlikely that it could either wear (although repair is usually possible) or be destroyed. RDIAS is also a good choice, you can put it in any low shelf lower receiver, the part that wears can easily be replaced if necessary and is highly functional. Its drawbacks: some fitting it usually required to get it to fit and function properly, even more fitting is required if you want it to be as slick, reliable, and field maintainable as a RR.

PS: I bet you thought you were going to do this for 200$ didn't you?


Great info, but I would debate what you said about the Lightning Link. They're great and very underated IMO. The only things it can't do are; any .22lr conversions and there is no way to get a burst, beyond trigger control. Othan that you can have a select fire AR in any caliber except .22lr.
Deuce01  [Member]
3/2/2009 2:36:31 PM
Originally Posted By Magoo6541:
Originally Posted By Eukatae:
You have five choices for full auto AR15/M16:
A registered transferable:
(1) A Registered receiver(RR),
(2) A registered lighting link (LL),
(3) A registered drop in auto sear (RDIAS).
they range from around 8k for a LL, 9-12k for a shooter RR, 12-15k for a RDIAS, 16k+ for a Colt A2 RR or other such collectible RR.
Good places to find these: http://www.sturmgewehr.com and http://subguns.com/.
(4) Get a Class 3 (5k a year) plus other expenses; then get a post dealer sample, this requires a letter from a gov agency.
(5) Go to Jail.

Among the transferable there is frequent debate about which is the best option; A LL is cheapest but most prone to failure and least functional. A RR is a fine choice but it is possible although unlikely that it could either wear (although repair is usually possible) or be destroyed. RDIAS is also a good choice, you can put it in any low shelf lower receiver, the part that wears can easily be replaced if necessary and is highly functional. Its drawbacks: some fitting it usually required to get it to fit and function properly, even more fitting is required if you want it to be as slick, reliable, and field maintainable as a RR.

PS: I bet you thought you were going to do this for 200$ didn't you?


Great info, but I would debate what you said about the Lightning Link. They're great and very underated IMO. The only things it can't do are; any .22lr conversions and there is no way to get a burst, beyond trigger control. Othan that you can have a select fire AR in any caliber except .22lr.



Yep yep... I love my RLL. Runs like a sewing machine with my 5.56 and 9mm uppers and I just ordered a 7.62X39 upper as well. To date, I have about $7.7K total invested (including Bushy host lower, 3 uppers, select fire kit, KNS Re-enforcer, and transfer taxes). Not bad for a multi (3) caliber M-16. And the Re-enforcer takes care of the "failure" issue.
_DR  [Member]
3/2/2009 3:18:31 PM


Repeal the Hughes amendment!
45FMJoe  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 3:41:57 PM
Hi Mr. BATFE agent.


ds762  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 6:00:51 PM
Originally Posted By _DR:


Repeal the Hughes amendment!


MrM4  [Member]
3/2/2009 6:14:08 PM
Originally Posted By _DR:


Repeal the Hughes amendment!


orangelo  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 10:36:52 AM
Originally Posted By sambenn74:
What are proper steps?

Do I send the lower receiver and get a tax stamp on it then make it full auto or visa versa,

thanks


Buy a DeLorean, hit 88mph, and 1.21 jigawatts and go back to 1985
45FMJoe  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 11:16:08 AM
Originally Posted By orangelo:
Originally Posted By sambenn74:
What are proper steps?

Do I send the lower receiver and get a tax stamp on it then make it full auto or visa versa,

thanks


Buy a DeLorean, hit 88mph, and 1.21 jigawatts and go back to 1985


I believe this to be the most logical response.
CaseyJ  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 11:32:16 AM
Originally Posted By 45FMJoe:
Originally Posted By orangelo:
Originally Posted By sambenn74:
What are proper steps?

Do I send the lower receiver and get a tax stamp on it then make it full auto or visa versa,

thanks


Buy a DeLorean, hit 88mph, and 1.21 jigawatts and go back to 1985


I believe this to be the most logical response.


Yup, that is the way to do it!
ARfoxone  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 11:43:49 AM
TIME WARP !
Christisking  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 11:52:00 AM
You stop acting like an ATF agent and make a lot of money and pay a tax stamp. Please atf agent stop fishing here we are not all that stupid. We play by the rules go fish at the local gun show. There are plenty of morons there.
buckfever34  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 1:43:28 PM
It starts by having several thousand dollars in disposable income.
TheSpaniard  [Member]
3/3/2009 3:37:41 PM
Posts like this one make me want to go out to Publix and increase my already abundant cache of tin foil.
tony_k  [Moderator]
3/3/2009 4:09:23 PM
FWIW ... troll posts do not ask questions like "do I get the stamp first?" Instead, they want to know "how to file down my firing pin to make my AR15 shoot full-auto."

Anyone, including ATF, is welcome to ask here about the legal NFA application process. In this case, of course, the answer is, "Ya can't get there from here without a Time Machine," but not everyone is aware it.
Shizzlemah  [Member]
3/3/2009 7:10:54 PM
Why are you guys giving him a hassle? No need for a time machine, Registered componente etc. Just move to a country where they are legal. Easy as pie.

(I converted my AR to full auto last week and love it - especially fun south of the border!)

Ky_Bob  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 7:27:28 PM
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
It starts by having several MANY thousand dollars in disposable income.




CAR-AR-M16  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 8:46:03 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
FWIW ... troll posts do not ask questions like "do I get the stamp first?" Instead, they want to know "how to file down my firing pin to make my AR15 shoot full-auto."


Do you mean I spent all of this time, paperwork and money to get an M16 and all I really needed to do was file down my firing pin!

JoshAston  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 1:43:57 AM
Originally Posted By CAR-AR-M16:
Originally Posted By tony_k:
FWIW ... troll posts do not ask questions like "do I get the stamp first?" Instead, they want to know "how to file down my firing pin to make my AR15 shoot full-auto."


Do you mean I spent all of this time, paperwork and money to get an M16 and all I really needed to do was file down my firing pin!



Yeah, just take about a quarter inch off the front end.
Jerad  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 12:39:08 PM
I love these threads...
SYSTEM MESSAGE  
3/4/2009 12:47:19 PM
OP's question has been answered. Time to put this one to bed.
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