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Japanese "Knee Mortar"??
11/28/2011 5:54:41 AM
Is a Japanese "Knee Mortar" a DD?
I was walking around Gettysburg, Pa this weekend and saw one in an antique shop window, comes with 1 round.
Sorry, I don't remember the price.
I was walking around Gettysburg, Pa this weekend and saw one in an antique shop window, comes with 1 round.
Sorry, I don't remember the price.
11/28/2011 6:22:40 AM
Yes, it's a DD.
11/28/2011 7:05:21 AM
Don't fire it from your knee. 
11/28/2011 7:42:03 AM
Very effective and portable but misnamed by the Americans.
11/28/2011 8:07:48 AM
Originally Posted By bytor94:
Don't fire it from your knee.
Don't fire it from your knee.
I've heard they'll break your femur without issue, that is some serious pressure....
11/28/2011 10:49:28 AM
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Yes, it's a DD.
Yes, it's a DD.
I thought it should be.
I guess it's an Illegal one....The shop has numerous Civil War era rifles, but I don't think that they have an FFL.
11/28/2011 11:15:47 AM
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I thought it should be.
I guess it's an Illegal one....The shop has numerous Civil War era rifles, but I don't think that they have an FFL.
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Yes, it's a DD.
Yes, it's a DD.
I thought it should be.
I guess it's an Illegal one....The shop has numerous Civil War era rifles, but I don't think that they have an FFL.
Firearms manufacturer prior to 1898 are not legally "firearms", and need no FFL.
As for the knee mortar, are you sure it was not a DEWAT, or other non-functioning war trophy?
11/28/2011 11:21:50 AM
BATF specs rendering it non-useable requires a steel bar be welded into the bore, and a hole milled into the high pressure area of the bore approx. the size of the bore.
11/28/2011 1:27:30 PM
Originally Posted By NAM:
Firearms manufacturer prior to 1898 are not legally "firearms", and need no FFL.
As for the knee mortar, are you sure it was not a DEWAT, or other non-functioning war trophy?
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I thought it should be.
I guess it's an Illegal one....The shop has numerous Civil War era rifles, but I don't think that they have an FFL.
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Yes, it's a DD.
Yes, it's a DD.
I thought it should be.
I guess it's an Illegal one....The shop has numerous Civil War era rifles, but I don't think that they have an FFL.
Firearms manufacturer prior to 1898 are not legally "firearms", and need no FFL.
As for the knee mortar, are you sure it was not a DEWAT, or other non-functioning war trophy?
I am aware as to the laws conserning "antique"(per 1898) firearms, the FFL reference was about the mortar.
11/28/2011 1:30:30 PM
Originally Posted By osprey21:
BATF specs rendering it non-useable requires a steel bar be welded into the bore, and a hole milled into the high pressure area of the bore approx. the size of the bore.
BATF specs rendering it non-useable requires a steel bar be welded into the bore, and a hole milled into the high pressure area of the bore approx. the size of the bore.
I didn't notice a hole, however it is displayed in the window so you can't see one side. I hope it's a DEWAT, I'd hate to see it confiscated.
11/28/2011 1:35:13 PM
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I am aware as to the laws conserning "antique"(per 1898) firearms, the FFL reference was about the mortar.
I am aware as to the laws conserning "antique"(per 1898) firearms, the FFL reference was about the mortar.
No FFL is needed to posess NFA items, provided the tax and registration requirements are met.
11/29/2011 5:24:42 AM
Originally Posted By NAM:
No FFL is needed to posess NFA items, provided the tax and registration requirements are met.
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I am aware as to the laws conserning "antique"(per 1898) firearms, the FFL reference was about the mortar.
I am aware as to the laws conserning "antique"(per 1898) firearms, the FFL reference was about the mortar.
No FFL is needed to posess NFA items, provided the tax and registration requirements are met.
I am aware of that, as I own a few MGs, however sitting in the window of a shop with a price tag on it, one would hope it's either a DEWAT, or that they have the proper FFL to sell it.
11/29/2011 7:38:07 AM
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I am aware of that, as I own a few MGs, however sitting in the window of a shop with a price tag on it, one would hope it's either a DEWAT, or that they have the proper FFL to sell it.
I am aware of that, as I own a few MGs, however sitting in the window of a shop with a price tag on it, one would hope it's either a DEWAT, or that they have the proper FFL to sell it.
Again, no FFL is needed to sell NFA an NFA firearm. Pre-1898 "firearms" legally are not. So the only "firearm" they would be selling would be the knee mortar, if it even is active. Still, an incidental sale would not require one to become a dealer. I have purchased NFA items from non-dealers. 100% legal. Assuming they are in the same state as you, you both fill out a form 4, and transfer directly once approved. No SOT needed.
Not trying to be argumentative, but I just don't see why an FFL would be required here.
11/29/2011 12:53:29 PM
Originally Posted By NAM:
Again, no FFL is needed to sell NFA an NFA firearm. Pre-1898 "firearms" legally are not. So the only "firearm" they would be selling would be the knee mortar, if it even is active. Still, an incidental sale would not require one to become a dealer. I have purchased NFA items from non-dealers. 100% legal. Assuming they are in the same state as you, you both fill out a form 4, and transfer directly once approved. No SOT needed.
Not trying to be argumentative, but I just don't see why an FFL would be required here.
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I am aware of that, as I own a few MGs, however sitting in the window of a shop with a price tag on it, one would hope it's either a DEWAT, or that they have the proper FFL to sell it.
I am aware of that, as I own a few MGs, however sitting in the window of a shop with a price tag on it, one would hope it's either a DEWAT, or that they have the proper FFL to sell it.
Again, no FFL is needed to sell NFA an NFA firearm. Pre-1898 "firearms" legally are not. So the only "firearm" they would be selling would be the knee mortar, if it even is active. Still, an incidental sale would not require one to become a dealer. I have purchased NFA items from non-dealers. 100% legal. Assuming they are in the same state as you, you both fill out a form 4, and transfer directly once approved. No SOT needed.
Not trying to be argumentative, but I just don't see why an FFL would be required here.
Face to face, private citizen to private citizen, I will agree with you.
I think the fact that it's sitting in a shop, even though it's not a gun shop is the difference.
I may be wrong, if it is "live" and sitting in the window of a store for sale, wouldn't that be a problem?
Perhaps if it was on a form 4 in the shop owners name, and done as a ftf sale it's OK.
I just thought it odd that a possible Title 2 firearm would be in a non-gunshop window.
I only asked because I didn't know how that would work.
It may be a non-live DD, that would change everything.
11/29/2011 1:57:22 PM
Go buy it, and tell us how it shoots.
12/4/2011 3:18:44 PM
name of the shop? i live 10 minutes from gettysburg
12/5/2011 5:24:24 AM
What shop? I'd like to check the place out.
Also what's with your avatar pic John?
Also what's with your avatar pic John?
12/5/2011 5:42:11 AM
Originally Posted By John87:
name of the shop? i live 10 minutes from gettysburg
name of the shop? i live 10 minutes from gettysburg
I'm not sure of the name of the shop.
From the square(circle) go south (Baltimore St?) about a block(?) on the left side of the street.
12/5/2011 7:28:05 AM
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Very effective and portable but misnamed by the Americans.
Very effective and portable but misnamed by the Americans.
Yep, it was a mistranslation.
12/5/2011 7:37:21 AM
Originally Posted By gunguy45:
I'm not sure of the name of the shop.
From the square(circle) go south (Baltimore St?) about a block(?) on the left side of the street.
Originally Posted By John87:
name of the shop? i live 10 minutes from gettysburg
name of the shop? i live 10 minutes from gettysburg
I'm not sure of the name of the shop.
From the square(circle) go south (Baltimore St?) about a block(?) on the left side of the street.
i think i know what your talking about. if its the one im thinking of he also has a shop out towards MD
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
What shop? I'd like to check the place out.
Also what's with your avatar pic John?
What shop? I'd like to check the place out.
Also what's with your avatar pic John?
its alien guy from the history channel!
