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 cookbook for tannerite?
zutmeloda2003  [Member]
9/23/2009 11:41:23 AM EST
couldnt think of anywhere to post this beside here?

i like using tannerite but dont want to spend $100 for a couple bottles. how much cheaper is it to make urself and how hard is it?
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Gamma762  [Team Member]
9/23/2009 11:47:45 AM EST
First, it's not $100 for a couple bottles to just buy the tannerite brand product.

Second...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tannerite+formula

The problem is, it's pretty tough these days to find AN, and even more difficult now that the druggies have started using it in a formula to make methamphetamine.
DustinTolar  [Member]
9/23/2009 12:03:42 PM EST
so i looked up tannerite and found this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3574009894144782716#

Just watch...you'll see
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
9/24/2009 4:10:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
The problem is, it's pretty tough these days to find AN

This here. Its nearly impossible to find. I've looked all over the place. Even people that swore up and down that such and such store would sell it come back and say, "guess they can't sell it anymore".
zutmeloda2003  [Member]
9/29/2009 5:34:31 AM EST
i went out looking for 34-0-0 last weekend and was told to go to a Co Op where they mix fert and ask them for some. unfortuently they were closed.
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
9/29/2009 8:36:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By zutmeloda2003:
i went out looking for 34-0-0 last weekend and was told to go to a Co Op where they mix fert and ask them for some. unfortuently they were closed.


Let us know how it goes and if you can find any. IL isn't too far for me to drive. I sure can't find any around here.
ljh824  [Team Member]
10/5/2009 9:38:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
First, it's not $100 for a couple bottles to just buy the tannerite brand product.

Second...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tannerite+formula

The problem is, it's pretty tough these days to find AN, and even more difficult now that the druggies have started using it in a formula to make methamphetamine.


phlegm  [Team Member]
10/13/2009 9:18:23 AM EST
In some parts, you should be aware of having a "precursor" for manufacturing drugs. Around her, if you have 2 of 5 items on the list, you can be arrested.
thedude420  [Member]
10/25/2009 10:40:48 PM EST
http://scienceforyou.net/oxidizers/ammonium-nitrate-technical-grade-prilled/prod_3.html
zutmeloda2003  [Member]
10/29/2009 10:41:45 AM EST


how long after i order does the ATF come after to my door?

ronsii  [Member]
10/29/2009 11:16:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By zutmeloda2003:


how long after i order does the ATF come after to my door?



They have a pretty quick response time lately as they have been averaging less than three working days
jestertoo  [Team Member]
10/30/2009 7:19:08 AM EST


Customers who bought this also bought aluminum powder, ammonium perchlorate and chinese time fuse.

Isn't putting perchlorate into this mix bad?

Isn't timefuse useless for setting of shock mixtures, or does the perchlorate set it off?
cosmos556  [Member]
11/4/2009 7:09:55 AM EST
I believe perchorlate is an oxidizer. Or at least that's one of the Sappers at work told me.
Gamma762  [Team Member]
11/4/2009 10:56:10 AM EST
Yes, perchlorate is an oxidizer as is ammonium nitrate.

Ammonium perchlorate + aluminum powder is a common solid rocket fuel.
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
11/6/2009 5:26:20 AM EST


If you're going to pay $7.00/lb for AN, you may as well just buy the Tannerite for less than $10/lb.
cpermd  [Member]
11/11/2009 5:36:07 AM EST
Where do you guys live?
I can buy AN at 5 feed stores and co-ops within 15 miles.

CP
zutmeloda2003  [Member]
11/12/2009 11:46:52 AM EST
maybe you could ship some up our way. crappy IL
electrojk  [Team Member]
11/17/2009 2:53:02 PM EST
http://www.intheredexplodingtargets.com/main.sc;jsessionid=153E50276327855041E6FC8069FDC8FC.qscstrfrnt03
esquared  [Member]
11/23/2009 9:54:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By cpermd:
Where do you guys live?
I can buy AN at 5 feed stores and co-ops within 15 miles.

CP


You might want to read the label since even farmers are having a hard time getting the 34.5% ammonium nitrate. Read the label and I bet it reads 17.5% ammonium sulfate and 17.5% ammonium nitrate which is not ammonium nitrate.
Jeep29  [Team Member]
12/3/2009 3:42:05 PM EST
I buy Green Charger AN at the Ag store for $17 per 50lb bag. I walk in, show them my Driver's License, give them money, and walk out. Pretty simple. I get my aluminum powder from ebay...I use 500 mesh.
c0t0d0s0  [Team Member]
12/3/2009 4:10:03 PM EST
https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17_69&products_id=92
Jeep29  [Team Member]
12/6/2009 3:59:03 PM EST


Do people actually pay that much for it??? I get 50lbs for just a few dollars more than they charge for 8 ounces.

spoil9  [Member]
12/8/2009 6:01:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By Jeep29:


Do people actually pay that much for it??? I get 50lbs for just a few dollars more than they charge for 8 ounces.



I have a feeling that a place like that sells to Universities and research places and not to the average guy.
ReservedRealist  [Member]
12/16/2009 7:54:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By phlegm:
In some parts, you should be aware of having a "precursor" for manufacturing drugs. Around her, if you have 2 of 5 items on the list, you can be arrested.


I guess people are guilty until proven innocent in your state
C-4  [Team Member]
12/17/2009 4:43:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Jeep29:


Do people actually pay that much for it??? I get 50lbs for just a few dollars more than they charge for 8 ounces.



Are you getting it from a farm supply store? They won't usually sell < 1 ton in many states. You also have to show ID and the prills are usually coated with calcium stearate since ammonium nitrate is very hygroscopic and it helps keep the prills dry.
Jeep29  [Team Member]
12/19/2009 3:22:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By C-4:
Originally Posted By Jeep29:


Do people actually pay that much for it??? I get 50lbs for just a few dollars more than they charge for 8 ounces.



Are you getting it from a farm supply store? They won't usually sell < 1 ton in many states. You also have to show ID and the prills are usually coated with calcium stearate since ammonium nitrate is very hygroscopic and it helps keep the prills dry.


I buy it from a local place called Agri-chem. They aren't a farm store like Southern States, Rural King, tractor Supply, etc. You won't find John Deere sweatshirts or tractor tires there. They are strictly a seed and chemical place. I just show them my Driver's License and a 20 dollar bill and it's a done deal.

C-4  [Team Member]
12/19/2009 5:09:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Jeep29:
Originally Posted By C-4:
Originally Posted By Jeep29:


Do people actually pay that much for it??? I get 50lbs for just a few dollars more than they charge for 8 ounces.



Are you getting it from a farm supply store? They won't usually sell < 1 ton in many states. You also have to show ID and the prills are usually coated with calcium stearate since ammonium nitrate is very hygroscopic and it helps keep the prills dry.


I buy it from a local place called Agri-chem. They aren't a farm store like Southern States, Rural King, tractor Supply, etc. You won't find John Deere sweatshirts or tractor tires there. They are strictly a seed and chemical place. I just show them my Driver's License and a 20 dollar bill and it's a done deal.



That is sweet. There's nothing like that around here. I'm originally from Canada and I remember the year they stopped selling ammonium nitrate to the general public. You can still buy the ammonium nitrate/calcium nitrate double salt. It really sucked.
GarySTL  [Team Member]
4/6/2010 10:49:43 AM EST
I just received my shipment of AN from American Pyrotechnic Supply in yesterdays mail. $4 per pound. Not the cheapest, but doable and delivered to my door. Already have aluminum powder from the same folks.
BSOG1  [Team Member]
4/7/2010 6:48:30 PM EST
once mixed, what will it cost per pound ?
Jeep29  [Team Member]
5/20/2010 5:58:10 PM EST
I just picked up 150 lbs of 34-0-0 Ammonium Nitrate for $52. I still have al powder left over from last summer but I'll be ordering more at around $55 for 5lbs. I guess this batch of home brew will run me around 80 cents per pound.
InfiniteGrim  [Member]
5/20/2010 6:05:51 PM EST
You can get it HERE in bulk, i havent ordered to try it though.
Jeep29  [Team Member]
5/21/2010 2:07:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
You can get it HERE in bulk, i havent ordered to try it though.


They want $120 for a 50lb bag. I just paid $17 for a 50lb bag. I think I'll stick with mt source

ssgjason  [Team Member]
5/24/2010 12:12:46 PM EST
n/m
6172crew  [Member]
6/15/2010 4:54:30 PM EST
A good friend of mine bought both products from ebay 2 years ago and the feds did pay him a visit. He was home on disability and said they just wanted him to know they were watching and wanted to know what he used it for.

He told them the truth and they left after 15-20 min. Im not a tinfoil type guy but wanted to pass it along because it can happen.
sardo_67  [Member]
6/21/2010 3:54:18 AM EST
the stuff that you buy like the tannerite brand is that any different? i was reading on their side and they had some other stuff mixed in. because if the other side is selling 50lbs of parts A and B for $140 i hope that will work better than just AN and AL.
http://www.intheredexplodingtargets.com/product.sc?productId=18&categoryId=1

also if you mix the home brew stuff stronger than 95% base and 5% additive does it work better? (sorry i have to ask)
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
6/21/2010 7:04:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
the stuff that you buy like the tannerite brand is that any different? i was reading on their side and they had some other stuff mixed in. because if the other side is selling 50lbs of parts A and B for $140 i hope that will work better than just AN and AL.
http://www.intheredexplodingtargets.com/product.sc?productId=18&categoryId=1

also if you mix the home brew stuff stronger than 95% base and 5% additive does it work better? (sorry i have to ask)


I can't say for sure, but from the reading I've done the homebrew recipe leaves out one small ingredient but works nearly as good. It isn't quite as sensitive as real Tannerite, but it still detonates with a hit from any HP rifle.
sardo_67  [Member]
6/21/2010 8:31:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By SigOwner_P229:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
the stuff that you buy like the tannerite brand is that any different? i was reading on their side and they had some other stuff mixed in. because if the other side is selling 50lbs of parts A and B for $140 i hope that will work better than just AN and AL.
http://www.intheredexplodingtargets.com/product.sc?productId=18&categoryId=1

also if you mix the home brew stuff stronger than 95% base and 5% additive does it work better? (sorry i have to ask)


I can't say for sure, but from the reading I've done the homebrew recipe leaves out one small ingredient but works nearly as good. It isn't quite as sensitive as real Tannerite, but it still detonates with a hit from any HP rifle.


i know the real tannerite has some titanium powder in it but what else is there? also wondering about putting some magnesium powder in it for a big flash..... would that work?
bluefalcon  [Team Member]
6/22/2010 8:44:16 AM EST
Best deal I've found lately on "large" quantities
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
6/25/2010 6:55:06 AM EST
Picked up some AN earlier this week, and delivery confirmation says there should be 10 lbs of 500 mesh AL powder waiting for me at home.

This 4th of July is going to be a blast... literally!!!!
sardo_67  [Member]
6/29/2010 4:08:25 PM EST
talked with a friend of mine who's a dairy farmer and he said he could get 48-0-0 for $400 a ton, is that better or just an entirely different thing? no i'm not going to get a ton of it but that would last a while.
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
6/30/2010 2:03:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
talked with a friend of mine who's a dairy farmer and he said he could get 48-0-0 for $400 a ton, is that better or just an entirely different thing? no i'm not going to get a ton of it but that would last a while.


Sounds like urea ... you can buy it, but it's not going to do anything other than fertilize the ground where you dump it out after you realize that it doesn't work for tannerite.
sardo_67  [Member]
6/30/2010 4:29:50 AM EST
That's what I thought, thanks
sardo_67  [Member]
7/8/2010 9:09:01 PM EST
is this gonna work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190345763377&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

also ONLY 34-0-0 will work for Tannerite? not 36 or 38 in either the same quantities or mixed at a different ratio? the farmer here said he has something with a higher number what would work and i keep telling him only 34, am i right?
SigOwner_P229  [Member]
7/9/2010 2:15:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
is this gonna work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190345763377&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

also ONLY 34-0-0 will work for Tannerite? not 36 or 38 in either the same quantities or mixed at a different ratio? the farmer here said he has something with a higher number what would work and i keep telling him only 34, am i right?


Seems to be really fine. I'm using 500 mesh, that is 4000 mesh; I won't say that it won't work, but thats a lot finer than what I've seen in all the listed recipes online.

Regarding 34-0-0, as long as it is ammonium nitrate, not part ammonium nitrate, not part urea nitrate, pure ammonium nitrate.
sardo_67  [Member]
7/9/2010 5:28:25 AM EST
now if i get the super fine stuff will that work better? seeing as it can mix better with the AN
C-4  [Team Member]
7/10/2010 4:42:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
is this gonna work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190345763377&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

also ONLY 34-0-0 will work for Tannerite?
not 36 or 38 in either the same quantities or mixed at a different ratio? the farmer here said he has something with a higher number what would work and i keep telling him only 34, am i right?


Ammonium Nitrate is 34% nitrogen by weight. If the number is higher, then I'd suspect it's not Ammonium Nitrate. For instance, urea is 46% nitrogen by weight. So a mixture of, say, urea and calcium nitrate could be 36 or 38% nitrogen. Only Ammonium Nitrate will work for tannerite so you need the 34%.
jestertoo  [Team Member]
7/11/2010 5:06:23 AM EST
Can any of this stuff be useful?

http://www.highqualitychems.com/servlet/the-ALUMINUM-ECKART-10890/Categories
sardo_67  [Member]
7/11/2010 7:36:34 PM EST
whats with the Indian black head aluminum powder, it says it' extremely fast burning and hot, is that better for tannerite? how can i tell the difference between the stuff
fammyman  [Team Member]
7/11/2010 7:58:03 PM EST
Jeep29  [Member]
7/19/2010 4:33:30 PM EST
Guys, this isn't rocket science. Get yourself some 33.5-0-0 or 34-0-0 ammonium nitrate for about $15 per 50lb bag. Get yourself some 500 mesh aluminum powder from ebay for about $55 per 5lb bag. Mix the two components 5% alum:95% AN by weight. Put the mixture into plastic bottles or similar containers. Shoot them with a centerfire rifle. Watch the BOOM. It really is that easy.

Here is a short video from our last ARFCOM Shoot using 33.5-0-0 Green Charger and 500 mesh aluminum powder. Seems to work ok. The largest charge is a 2 liter coke bottle.

Homebrew results

sardo_67  [Member]
7/19/2010 6:36:40 PM EST
i understand the basics of it, i ordered some 5000 mesh AL powder which should give a much better reaction. also adding some Nitro-methane fuel (100% stuff not R/C car gas) to it will give it a bit more kick. anyone know if adding magnesium powder will give it a brighter flash or react better?
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