Loss of praformance with sound suppressor?
I have a few Q's about suppressors.
1) Is there any velocity loss with sound suppressors?
2) Is there a Point Of Aim / Point Of impact shift?
3) What are some good brand/model recommendations?
Thanks
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
I have a few Q's about suppressors.
1) Is there any velocity loss with sound suppressors? Not unless you use subsonic ammo
2) Is there a Point Of Aim / Point Of impact shift? With some more than others.
3) What are some good brand/model recommendations? What cal do you want the can for?
Thanks
Originally Posted By CARSINC:
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
I have a few Q's about suppressors.
1) Is there any velocity loss with sound suppressors? Not unless you use subsonic ammo
2) Is there a Point Of Aim / Point Of impact shift? With some more than others.
3) What are some good brand/model recommendations? What cal do you want the can for?
Thanks
5.56 AR
Velocity loss is negligible.
POI shift can range from none to 3-4 inches at 100 yards. Most quality cans won't make a huge impact in POI though.
There are a ton of good 5.56 cans out there. First narrow down what features you're looking for. Do you want a QD suppressor or thread on? How many guns do you have to use it on and how much is it going to cost to make them all compatible with your suppressor? Steel or titanium? What's your budget? Etc.
Depending on the suppressor, you should actually gain velocity.
POI shift on my 10.5 with my M4-2000 attached was about an inch high at 100 yards. I actually attribute that to the velocity increase.
As far as brands, AAC M4-2000, Knights NT4, SilencerCo Saker or a SureFire can are all really good options if you have the money. If you're on a budget, an AAC M4-1000 or equivalent.
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Originally Posted By graysonp:
Velocity loss is negligible.
POI shift can range from none to 3-4 inches at 100 yards. Most quality cans won't make a huge impact in POI though.
There are a ton of good 5.56 cans out there. First narrow down what features you're looking for. Do you want a QD suppressor or thread on? How many guns do you have to use it on and how much is it going to cost to make them all compatible with your suppressor? Steel or titanium? What's your budget? Etc.
Do you want a QD suppressor or thread on? Yes QD
How many guns do you have to use it on and how much is it going to cost to make them all compatible with your suppressor? Just one lower about 2 uppers
Steel or titanium? This I don't understand
What's your budget? I don't want to cut ANY corners, I have about 1200 but I can get more say 1600Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
How many guns do you have to use it on and how much is it going to cost to make them all compatible with your suppressor?]Just one lower about 2 uppers
You're going to need mounts for each upper,so keep that in mind when formulating your budget. Depending on the mount style, this could cost up to $100+ for each mount. On the other hand, some QD suppressors like the Gemtech Halo will mount to a standard A2 flash hider and can save you the money on mounts.
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
Steel or titanium? This I don't understand
What the suppressor is made of. The most common is steel, which is generally heavier. Titanium suppressors are lighter, but more expensive. There are also suppressors made with aluminum tubes for rimfire/pistol caliber rounds, but that won't really factor into your decision.
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
What's your budget?I don't want to cut ANY corners, I have about 1200 but I can get more say 1600
Basically, all the popular models from any big-name manufacturer are not going to cut corners. You're just paying for the additional features, which is just personal preference.
With your budget and wanting a QD suppressor, I'd say go with an AAC M4-2000. You can probably get the suppressor and 2 flash hider mounts for about $1100-1200, plus the cost of the tax stamp.
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Originally Posted By graysonp:
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
How many guns do you have to use it on and how much is it going to cost to make them all compatible with your suppressor?]Just one lower about 2 uppers
You're going to need mounts for each upper,so keep that in mind when formulating your budget. Depending on the mount style, this could cost up to $100+ for each mount. On the other hand, some QD suppressors like the Gemtech Halo will mount to a standard A2 flash hider and can save you the money on mounts.
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
Steel or titanium? This I don't understand
What the suppressor is made of. The most common is steel, which is generally heavier. Titanium suppressors are lighter, but more expensive. There are also suppressors made with aluminum tubes for rimfire/pistol caliber rounds, but that won't really factor into your decision.
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
What's your budget?I don't want to cut ANY corners, I have about 1200 but I can get more say 1600
Basically, all the popular models from any big-name manufacturer are not going to cut corners. You're just paying for the additional features, which is just personal preference.
With your budget and wanting a QD suppressor, I'd say go with an AAC M4-2000. You can probably get the suppressor and 2 flash hider mounts for about $1100-1200, plus the cost of the tax stamp.
Thank you for walking me step by step, is the aac M4-2000 steel or titanium?
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
Thank you for walking me step by step, is the aac M4-2000 steel or titanium?
Steel. But the weight on the M4-2000 is reasonable, compared to other steel tube suppressors, and it gives you all the features you want within your budget.
Something like a Gemtech G5 Titanium will only save you about 3 ounces, and it's going to cost about $250-300 more.
Originally Posted By M4A3Master:
I have a few Q's about suppressors.
1) Is there any velocity loss with sound suppressors?
2) Is there a Point Of Aim / Point Of impact shift?
3) What are some good brand/model recommendations?
Thanks
1. I don't see any velocity loss with my YHM QD phantom 5.56 can
2. I use my suppressor on 3 different uppers. On the m4 profile 16" it makes the groups more accurate. On the lightweight barrel, and 20 inch government barrel it makes the groups widen about double. (from 2 to 4 moa unsuppressed vs unsuppressed). I have heard and concurr that the barrel harmonics of your individual barrel have more to do with the accuracy change than anything about the suppressor inparticular.
3. My YHM Steel can seems to be solid, although doing it all over again, I would probably buy a thread on in a lighter weight in the future and keep it on a single gun all the time, rather than going QD to put it on a bunch of different guns.
I want one of these next. They are supposed to be pretty good for extreme long range shooting. made up in prairie dog country. http://dakotasilencer.com/the-varminter/
If you want a QD can, the best mounts are on Surefire Suppressors. You have the budget for a FA556-212, which would suit your needs well. The AAC will be cheaper, but it is my opinion that the mounts from AAC are not as good as the Surefire. Surefire mounts are very nice compared to other brands and lock up very tight which will give you a repeatable POI shift. The Silencerco Saker also looks promising, and their mounting system is also nice. I'm not an AAC fan.
(for the record, I own an AAC 18T 762SD that I have buyers remorse over. The suppressor works as advertised, the mounts are substandard. Yes the current AAC cans are 51T, and better than my 18T mounts, but I think they are still lacking. My next suppressor will be a surefire. I've shot Surefire, Gemtech, AAC, and YHM. All are good cans, what separates them is their mounting systems.)
