Anyone heard of SAS cans?

Just went to the range and the owner is local to me

I was shooting a 12.5 suppressed 5.56 with a m4-2000

Next thing I heard was thus Guy be like damn that thing is loud. He then brings out a 24" ar with one of his canto demonstrate one of his cans

So I'm sitting there like dude your barrel is twice as long as mine of course it will be quieter

Then he busted out the comment that his can on a 7" ar was quieter

I'm working out the order details on a 7.62 SAS can right now.
SAS has a less-than-state-of-the-art website with a few "holes" in it, but my dealer owns and shoots their cans among others and he recommended one for my particular needs. (Priority on light weight and secondarily "reasonable" cost.) They have one of the lower-priced 7.62, .300 Win. mag compatible Titanium cans that I've thus far been able to find .

Dont get me wrong I was impressed by his cans

But not by him bashing my can just because I didn't go with his. That pissed Me off

And the comment about his 7" ar with one of his cans being quieter than mine. I just packed my stuff up and left after that comment.

I've seen and shot a few different brand 5.56 cans. They all sound about the same to me

Sounds like he was just being a jerk.

And of course any can will probably sound louder when you're on the bench next to someone else shooting, rather than being behind it and actually shooting it yourself.
At least most unsuppressed guns will...

Was he shooting subsonic ammo? I'm guessing that he was and you were probably not?

BIG difference right there.

He was shooting a 20" or longer ar plus his can

I was shooting a 12.5" ar with m4-2000

My friend said he couldn't tell a difference

But Tim insisted mine was much louder

He just went out of his way to prove that his was "quieter". Once I started shooting he went to his truck to get his ar and can to prove that his can was "better"

I think the titanium arbiter is going to be my next suppressor purchase. I'm having a hard time finding a bad review or a better deal price wise.
That sucks the guy came off as kind of a dick in person though..

Me too, and me too.

Im also looking at that liberty Ti can with the SS baffle liner too. But its definitely going to cost more, its a smidgen heavier, and an inch longer.

Sounds to me like he was trying to demonstrate the quality of his product if he went to get his rifle to show you. I wasn't there, so I don't know if he had a prick-ish tone when talking about your can being louder, or if you just felt bashed.

Either way, SAS does make quality cans with minimal POI shift, and the titanium models are about the lightest out there. I have one of their new 7" 308 cans awaiting a stamp at my dealer. It'll be going on a 10" 300 BLK SBR. May still buy a 762SDN-6 for my POF P-308 though because I like the mounting system.

I would like to have heard a side by side apples to apples comparison between your can and his(same rifle, same ammo), but I know the mounting systems prevent that at the range. Maybe in the future that will happen. I don't know Tim, nor have I spoken with him but others I know who have think highly of him.

i have a 30 cal can from tim and while its a great can, i have to say that i have given up actually trying to get a spare brake for, ill most likly will have the can demiled one day, basically, i sold the old upper with mount like an idiot, now i am stuck with a can that i cant get a mount for, problem for me was that it was a custom mount that and does not look like it will mount on the ones that are availible on line.

since SAS is a one man shop, getting a hold of tim is next to impossible

SAS makes a great can, that no doubt perform just as good as much more expensive brands, unfortunatly i dont feel like fucking around with the hole mount issue, i can find a stupid gemtech bi-lock or overpriced surefire brake in about 30 seconds.

I'm pretty sure I read the other guys side of the story over on snipers hide. He conveniently failed to mention the barrel length.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3231989#Post3231989

I also called SAS and asked them to send me a quote for an Arbiter for a precision rifle. After several days without a response, I just went ahead and ordered a Thunder Beast Arms 30-BA based on the reviews.

Have you checked Mile High Shooting for a brake? I thought they usually had them in stock.

That is convenient that he left out the fact mine was a sbr and.his was a musket.

I could really care less though. My can is plenty quiet for me

In the end, who cares...if you are happy with your purchase that's all that matters. I've talked to Tim over the years and he never came across as being a jerk...that being said he's a business just like everyone else. I'm sure if you talked to the owner of Liberty or former AAC owner that they would boast the same claim that their can is better than the next can.

Tim is tough to get a hold of and as someone else already suggested...contact Mile High since they are the distributor for SAS if you need a spare mount.

I was heavily considering SAS, then I found a site, KNR shooting sports, that lists the YHM 7.62 QD phantom for 575.
Pretty hard to beat that. I'm waiting until after a suppressor shoot and sale before I order though

Chase
Didn’t realize you were offended. You were asked by one of the people at the range why you and your buddy were wearing earpro to shoot your can and YOU said you had to wear it because it was so loud. You didn’t mention that out of the 6 or 7 people there they all agreed your set up was LOUD, not in comparison to SAS or any other just “wow let me get my ear pro” loud. It could be your rifle. IDK.
Me getting out the AR was never meant to be a "shoot off" and the 20" barrel was acknowledged as not a head to head comparison. It was not meant to be a comparison at all. I just like to shoot those 77 grainers at 400, and you ringing steel made me want to drag mine back out. It didn’t really have much to do with the suppressor. I didn’t realize you would take it as a challenge and run home to twist what happened. You are trying to make me out to be a real jerk but we know that’s not how things happened. I think you went home and “stewed” and that helped cloud your memory. Don’t forget to mention it was the other people present that made the loud comments about your suppressor performance not the owner of SAS. I can see how you made that mistake while you had on you muffs and were facing downrange firing. I did say “wow that’s loud” and “our M-47 on a 7” barrel has metered quieter than a M-4 2000 on a 14” barrel. “ I did not say those thing to you so you must have overheard the conversation. The M-47/ 7” AR was very popular at the live fire demo for LE/Military only at shot show this year. More than one group asked if we were shooting full power ammo.
Did you bother to tell these guys what you said to me before you left?? Go ahead and tell them…..nah I will for you. You said you wished you would have come to SAS first. But since you work for an AAC dealer you got a deal. YOU’RE WORDS.
It’s not our policy to bad mouth any other companies and I didn't realize you took anything said as criticizing or bad mouthing your purchase. It’s unfortunate you had to twist things to make me look bad. What’s the point?
Man up next time someone offends you, look them in the eye while you have the chance and share your concerns, don’t run home and work up your keyboard courage and slander them on the “inter-web”. I would have been happy to sooth your feelings and let you know how wrong your version of me was.
Keep in mind Chase that I don’t monitor these forums, the people that were at the range let me know about your comments. They asked me to respond because what you said was way off base and not true to what transpired.

Now for the others......
Dan,
Your suppressor was a one of a kind, one time only build that utilized your AR-10 gas block as the rear seal for the reflex suppressor. I have communicated to you at least 2x's that I would take a look at it to see if it can be retro fitted to something else. I'm surprised to see you jumping on this thread. The last email I got from you was that your email had been hacked and was spamming people. After that I forgot all about it. You knew what you were getting when you ordered it, and you were fine with it. I can’t believe you sold the upper without removing your one of kind, custom made to your specs muzzle brake and gas block. That was 5 years ago and we have moved to a larger location twice since then. I doubt I still have your prints. It’s going to be tuff to re-create what we did on a conventional barrel. Sorry Dan, I will make the offer again. If you send the suppressor to me I will take a look at it.

One man shop??? That was true a few years ago but not for a while now. A month ago a guy was saying SAS was in a self-storage unit. I just don’t get it. We make one of the quietest and most accurate suppressors on the market, at a great price isn’t that enough? Do I need to spend 500K on advertising to be considered a “real” company?
All sales go through MILE HIGH SHOOTING ACCESSORIES now. Announcements were made and both the email and 1-800 numbers direct you there. To say that you contacted Suppressed Armament and gave up because you never got a response just can’t be true. All contact information on the website directs you to Mile High. Maybe you called a couple years ago and just don’t want to miss a chance to pile on.

No offense, but you have no idea. You were not there so to imply that a suppressor manufacturer that has been in business for over 8 years would pull some kind of B.S. move like shooting subs is ridiculous.
Why would you guess such a thing? Just ask. No, 77 grainers at 2785. Ringing steel at the back of the range every time.

No, you didnt read "the other guys side". What you read was something one of the people that happened to ba at the range posted. That was not done on behalf of
Suppressed Armament or with our blessing!

Can't beat that, kudos to SAS. I'd put them ahead of anything ever produced by aac. I like my element but it is over priced and over hyped...

Right, so here we are.
So how did the 16" POF 308 with the Arbiter sound compared to your 5.56??? Everyone there had a solid opinion, what was you take. Working for a Suppressor dealer should give you
some insight.

Lets not make the mistake of associating the owner of SAS with comments posted on the HIde. I never made any post so do infer that those comments were mine.

Man, I'm sorry if I offended you; I was merely suggesting some of the things that MAY have occurred to explain the difference in perceived sound!

I didn't know that it was a "BS move" to shoot subsonics.
I'm new to the suppressor game and openly admit it, but I thought that a lot of guys do in fact shoot subsonic loads to reduce the noise further.

edited to add:
I sincerely apologize for my words "it sounds as if he was just being a jerk." (Referring to you)
But it kinda did sound like that, taking Chase's side of the story at face value. (Which I regret, after reading your well-written responses.)
And apparently you, and at least one other guy in this thread agree that he made it SOUND that way.


At any rate, I still want you to build my first suppressor, if you're over being mad at me!

Tim, thanks for replying here. It was me who pointed your friend on the Hide to this thread. Wasn't trying to stir shit, but felt like one side should know how the other felt about an encounter. Can't wait to get my Reaper in hand, and way excited to see how it performs on my 16.5" POF P-308 (I know it'll be quiet on my 10" Blackout).

To anybody here thinking about acan purchase, do some asking around about SAS before you go with AAC or anybody else. My dealer here in TX deals with all brands, and can have anything he wants but all his personal rifles I noticed at his shop are wearing SAS brakes. Just sayin'.

I appreciate the presence on the forum, as said, you make a hell of a product, I appreciate the offer and I will send the can in, I totally understand what I had you guys build, and if there is nothing that can be done or modified to have it work as convention suppressor, I am totally ok with that, I would gladly purchase another model now that it appears that you guys have set up a dealer that to take care of any extra mounts that are needed.

If I may have relayed some bad information, I apologize for that, I will shoot you an IM to confirm the your shipping address,

SAS makes a great can, and would recommend one to anybody,

Woah. A couple things to point out here.

First you did blatantly tell me to my face that tour 7" ar was quieter than my set up

Second I do not work for a AAC dealer. I am a Kentucky resident and the fact that I use to work for a gunshop in Indiana is irrelevant.

I also did not run home to say bad things about you after hearing your can. I only had a couple 20 rounds with me and my friend wanted to try my rifle out.

I did say that if my dealer had carried your can I would have considered it.

And I did not start this thread to bash your products in any way. I never called you a jerk or anything like that. But come on a comment like your 7" ar being quieter is somewhat comical. That being said if you can back it up then id love to see and hear it.

Again I did not start this to bash or complain about your company. To be honest I was wanting to see what others had to say about your product to see if it was true that yours were quieter.

With all that being said my friend who was with me said the cans all sounded the same tto him. I however agreed with you that yours was quieter

Also I am confused from where I have slandered you?

Everything I said in my posts are what you have said to me that day

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