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 Co-Witness Hate
1srelluc  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 10:02:39 AM
I recently bought a Daewoo rifle and was looking around on a Daewoo dedicated site looking for co-witnessing red-dot/mount options and found extreme hate for co-witnessing a red-dot with the irons.

Now I'll be the first to admit that the Daewoo's big front sight ring does get in the way a bit but I don't have a isue with a good sight picture at least not to the extent that would lead to such hate.

To be honest it was the first time I've ever heard of anyone calling co-witnessing retarded. Do they have a point I'm missing?
zx12rider  [Member]
3/7/2012 10:43:05 AM
To be honest, I've tried it on multiple guns and find it a hinderence. I think people got caught up on it when some web "pro" said it was important. I have since un-co-witnessed the guns I've tested with (2 of them being Daewoo's and a CX-4 Storm). It's not hate and to each his own.
0351-ROCKETS  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 10:49:05 AM
Never had a problem..But then again I'm not a trend follower
skebe  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 10:57:55 AM
Are these some of the folks that suggest cutting the top of the Woo's front sight tower off?
1srelluc  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 12:05:07 PM
Originally Posted By skebe:
Are these some of the folks that suggest cutting the top of the Woo's front sight tower off?


Can't say.

That said If one had a extra tower (if the mod went south) it would be a intresting mod. At least you would not see that annoying "tit" at 6-o'clock when you try to scope it low enough for a decent cheek weld.

Chris_1522  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 12:28:39 PM
I don't see it important or valuable in any way.

1srelluc  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 1:07:24 PM
Originally Posted By Chris_1522:
I don't see it important or valuable in any way.


I prefer it (co-witnessing) as everything is on the same level and a weapon so equipped comes-up more natural to me and I don't have to "hunt" for a sight picture.

Otherwise you end-up in a extreme head-up postion like you did with the old A1 or A2 carry handle mounts. Add-ons like cheek pieces take care of that but I never cared for them.

That said I see it as a different strokes type of thing more than anything else. Even if a sight does not co-witness if it's mounted in a QD mount it can be removed if a issue comes-up and the irons used.

cms81586  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 5:00:21 PM
Not really an option on the Woo...but on an AR I dislike fixed sights (front and rear). To me BUIS are just that...back up's. 99.9% of the time they'll spend their life folded away on the rifle. I don't get the lust for co-witnessing irons and a red dot. It's just too cluttered for me, but like someone else said...it's all personal preference.

CMS
MadDogDan  [Member]
3/7/2012 6:47:13 PM
All of my carbines whether AR or XCR had absolute co-witness BUIS with my optics until I mounted TLR's one the top rail of each one of them. Now I have to use a lower 1/3 co-witness so my BUIS and optics look "over" the top of my lights.

That's what works for me,
MadDog
mike_nds  [Dealer]
3/8/2012 8:37:43 AM
I see the need for professional soldiers and LEO's.


However, I find it curious that one of the main reasons stated for doing it is to provide a rapid transition (without removing the optic) in case the red dot fails.

Then elsewhere you have people showing off their $250+ quick detachable mount for the optic that has a 10,000 hour battery life and has never failed.

cms81586  [Team Member]
3/8/2012 9:59:18 AM
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
I see the need for professional soldiers and LEO's.


However, I find it curious that one of the main reasons stated for doing it is to provide a rapid transition (without removing the optic) in case the red dot fails.

Then elsewhere you have people showing off their $250+ quick detachable mount for the optic that has a 10,000 hour battery life and has never failed.



To me the entire point of a red dot is fast target acquisition and follow up shots on a single sight plane. Why add sights into the mix by co-witnessing...no matter if you're a Soldier, LEO, or civilian?
ChickenDaddy  [Team Member]
3/8/2012 12:28:40 PM
I hate co witnessing.