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ACR worth it??
1/22/2012 11:19:15 PM
Looking to hear from some ACR owners out there. Been looking to add a new rifle or pistol to my inventory but cant make up my mind. Read alot about it but looking for first hand knowledge and opinions. Or would I just be better off with a piston AR or SCAR?
1/23/2012 4:15:02 AM
Originally Posted By NCTacoma:
Looking to hear from some ACR owners out there. Been looking to add a new rifle or pistol to my inventory but cant make up my mind. Read alot about it but looking for first hand knowledge and opinions. Or would I just be better off with a piston AR or SCAR?
Looking to hear from some ACR owners out there. Been looking to add a new rifle or pistol to my inventory but cant make up my mind. Read alot about it but looking for first hand knowledge and opinions. Or would I just be better off with a piston AR or SCAR?
IMO, the ACR just isn't there yet and probably won't ever be. Remington is in the process of revamping it with a magnesium receiver for the .mil/LEO markets and got the weight down some but gave up the quick change barrel for one that takes an allen screw like the XCR does. Was a good idea but getting it to market and fishing for a military contract right out of the gate fucked a perfectly good idea.
Didn't help that Bushmaster got greedy, but I suspect that had to do with protecting the pricing structure on their AR line-you can't sell a $1500 Masada when an ORC flavored AR15 was MSRP'd at $1550 at the time.
There are better options out there, I got an XCR, some will say to get a SCAR or SIG but of all the Modular piston driven guns the XCR is the only one that followed thru with acliber conversions, barrel lengths and a reasonable cost.
1/23/2012 5:15:39 AM
I too was looking forward to it coming out but was unimpressed with the pricing and features.
For that kind of money, you would be better off with the SCAR 16 or even the XCR.
As the poster above stated, it is not there yet, I doubt it ever will get there.
Max
For that kind of money, you would be better off with the SCAR 16 or even the XCR.
As the poster above stated, it is not there yet, I doubt it ever will get there.
Max
1/23/2012 7:52:34 AM
NO
Buying two ACRs was the biggest mistake I've ever made in the shooting world. Bolt timing was off on both of them, peened up the locking lugs on the barrel extension to the point I feared they were unsafe to shoot. Bushmaster said it was normal wear.
Yet such wear was absent on the high round count SCAR16 and FS2000 I traded in towards the ACRs and I've never seen an AR-15, or AR180 do that type of damage to the barrel extension.
I sold both for $1500 a piece, took a huge loss considering they were both enhanced models that I forked over a small fortune for.
Buying two ACRs was the biggest mistake I've ever made in the shooting world. Bolt timing was off on both of them, peened up the locking lugs on the barrel extension to the point I feared they were unsafe to shoot. Bushmaster said it was normal wear.
Yet such wear was absent on the high round count SCAR16 and FS2000 I traded in towards the ACRs and I've never seen an AR-15, or AR180 do that type of damage to the barrel extension.
I sold both for $1500 a piece, took a huge loss considering they were both enhanced models that I forked over a small fortune for.
1/23/2012 8:00:03 AM
Wether we like it or not, to be practical the AR still rules the roost. A piston driven AR like the SIG 516 or the Stag 8 are ok, but in real world terms really don't give you much of an advantage over a good DI gun...AKs are a good second choice. Cost, weight, reliability, accuracy, ease of maintenece should be the prime considerations. Now If you had a SCAR that is lighter and cheaper...
1/23/2012 12:12:15 PM
No, not worth it. I would wait it out to see if there will be a revised edition out for civilians that has addressed all the issues. With that said I plan on keeping at least one of my ACR's for collecting.
1/23/2012 5:28:59 PM
After much debating and talking with people I came to the realization that the ACR was a piece of crap. So I bought a SCAR and an ACOG today. Ill probably go let some rounds off this weekend sometime.
1/23/2012 10:23:14 PM
The first problem is the price..... for that price it better NEVER wear, and ALWAYS shoot, and be able to hit a quarter at 200 yds.
second I've heard of plenty of people who have had problems with the ACR.
I don't like the ambi safety on it.... the right side hits my hand when I (a right hander) uses the switch on the left side.....
I'm not a huge fan of the Scar either..... again too expensive, and I've heard of SpecOps guys who say the reciprocating Charging handle hits their thumbs.... and the range reports I've seen is same accuracy as the AR...
I think if the SCAR was a little less expensive and had a non-reciprocating CH I'd buy one.
EDIT: I just noticed, post 556!!! sweet.
second I've heard of plenty of people who have had problems with the ACR.
I don't like the ambi safety on it.... the right side hits my hand when I (a right hander) uses the switch on the left side.....
I'm not a huge fan of the Scar either..... again too expensive, and I've heard of SpecOps guys who say the reciprocating Charging handle hits their thumbs.... and the range reports I've seen is same accuracy as the AR...
I think if the SCAR was a little less expensive and had a non-reciprocating CH I'd buy one.
EDIT: I just noticed, post 556!!! sweet.
1/23/2012 11:26:30 PM
Originally Posted By TheGribbleReport:
The first problem is the price..... for that price it better NEVER wear, and ALWAYS shoot, and be able to hit a quarter at 200 yds.
second I've heard of plenty of people who have had problems with the ACR.
I don't like the ambi safety on it.... the right side hits my hand when I (a right hander) uses the switch on the left side.....
I'm not a huge fan of the Scar either..... again too expensive, and I've heard of SpecOps guys who say the reciprocating Charging handle hits their thumbs.... and the range reports I've seen is same accuracy as the AR...
I think if the SCAR was a little less expensive and had a non-reciprocating CH I'd buy one.
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The first problem is the price..... for that price it better NEVER wear, and ALWAYS shoot, and be able to hit a quarter at 200 yds.
second I've heard of plenty of people who have had problems with the ACR.
I don't like the ambi safety on it.... the right side hits my hand when I (a right hander) uses the switch on the left side.....
I'm not a huge fan of the Scar either..... again too expensive, and I've heard of SpecOps guys who say the reciprocating Charging handle hits their thumbs.... and the range reports I've seen is same accuracy as the AR...
I think if the SCAR was a little less expensive and had a non-reciprocating CH I'd buy one.
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I agree....
The MASADA was a great concept
The Bushmaster / ACR was the wrong execution
Was all excited about the SCAR - until I felt it...feels cheap....
1/24/2012 12:28:04 AM
Originally Posted By CopM4:
I agree....
The MASADA was a great concept
The Bushmaster / ACR was the wrong execution
Was all excited about the SCAR - until I felt it...feels cheap....
Originally Posted By TheGribbleReport:
The first problem is the price..... for that price it better NEVER wear, and ALWAYS shoot, and be able to hit a quarter at 200 yds.
second I've heard of plenty of people who have had problems with the ACR.
I don't like the ambi safety on it.... the right side hits my hand when I (a right hander) uses the switch on the left side.....
I'm not a huge fan of the Scar either..... again too expensive, and I've heard of SpecOps guys who say the reciprocating Charging handle hits their thumbs.... and the range reports I've seen is same accuracy as the AR...
I think if the SCAR was a little less expensive and had a non-reciprocating CH I'd buy one.
.
The first problem is the price..... for that price it better NEVER wear, and ALWAYS shoot, and be able to hit a quarter at 200 yds.
second I've heard of plenty of people who have had problems with the ACR.
I don't like the ambi safety on it.... the right side hits my hand when I (a right hander) uses the switch on the left side.....
I'm not a huge fan of the Scar either..... again too expensive, and I've heard of SpecOps guys who say the reciprocating Charging handle hits their thumbs.... and the range reports I've seen is same accuracy as the AR...
I think if the SCAR was a little less expensive and had a non-reciprocating CH I'd buy one.
.
I agree....
The MASADA was a great concept
The Bushmaster / ACR was the wrong execution
Was all excited about the SCAR - until I felt it...feels cheap....
The SCAR may feel cheap, but it is one of the sweetest shooting semi autos I have had the pleasure to fire. The SCAR 17 is far and away my favorite .308 rifle. The recoil characteristics are fantastic for such a light weapon.
1/24/2012 1:36:41 AM
I don't get it, what characteristics were people expecting that made the ACR such a bad rifle? 80% of the time it's people complaining about the price and trying to find something else to rag on to make the point valid, but it is what it is and shouldn't be discounted because of it. The SCAR requires specific tools for disassembly, has a flimsy stock, a reciprocating charging handle, and real lack of customer support. It's one thing to read on the problems documented on actual use, but to go on without personally firing the two for yourself to see what the better option is, is a failure on your part. And in the end, that's all there is because too many people read the wrong magazines or don't do the work for themselves. The AR took on just as much crap in the beginning, but has become 1 of the 2 most renowned firearms in the world. There is a few things to complain about the rifle, but to say it's a piece of crap because you either can't afford one or were expecting too much is your loss. Like my AR, I had to invest in it to make it the rifle I always wanted and real happy to have it.
1/24/2012 4:21:12 AM
Originally Posted By 11bravo01:
I don't get it, what characteristics were people expecting that made the ACR such a bad rifle? 80% of the time it's people complaining about the price and trying to find something else to rag on to make the point valid, but it is what it is and shouldn't be discounted because of it. The SCAR requires specific tools for disassembly, has a flimsy stock, a reciprocating charging handle, and real lack of customer support. It's one thing to read on the problems documented on actual use, but to go on without personally firing the two for yourself to see what the better option is, is a failure on your part. And in the end, that's all there is because too many people read the wrong magazines or don't do the work for themselves. The AR took on just as much crap in the beginning, but has become 1 of the 2 most renowned firearms in the world. There is a few things to complain about the rifle, but to say it's a piece of crap because you either can't afford one or were expecting too much is your loss. Like my AR, I had to invest in it to make it the rifle I always wanted and real happy to have it.
I don't get it, what characteristics were people expecting that made the ACR such a bad rifle? 80% of the time it's people complaining about the price and trying to find something else to rag on to make the point valid, but it is what it is and shouldn't be discounted because of it. The SCAR requires specific tools for disassembly, has a flimsy stock, a reciprocating charging handle, and real lack of customer support. It's one thing to read on the problems documented on actual use, but to go on without personally firing the two for yourself to see what the better option is, is a failure on your part. And in the end, that's all there is because too many people read the wrong magazines or don't do the work for themselves. The AR took on just as much crap in the beginning, but has become 1 of the 2 most renowned firearms in the world. There is a few things to complain about the rifle, but to say it's a piece of crap because you either can't afford one or were expecting too much is your loss. Like my AR, I had to invest in it to make it the rifle I always wanted and real happy to have it.
For me, the four things that killed it were:
The wait
The weight
The failure to live up to what a MODULAR carbine is supposed to do, i.e. change barrels and calibers
The pricing that bordered on insulting. They just plain read the market wrong-no video game player has $3300 to spend on a rifle.
Don't call me a hater because I couldn't afford it, I waited until I couldn't wait any more and bought an XCR with the thought that I would buy the Masada when it came out. Then I gave up again and bought a transferrable machinegun with the money. Bottom line is that of all the guns that the ACR was intended to go up against, the only one that really delivered the goods was the XCR. Love him or not, Alex Robinson knocked it out of the park. I doubt they will ever "cover the earth"(TM), but my guess is that sooner or later many of the people who bought or wanted a Masada will end up having an XCR cross paths with them at some time in their futures.
1/25/2012 5:34:26 PM
Don't get me wrong because there are problems with the rifle and I had to call in some major favors, but I'm happy with it now that I had to invest an additional 1500 in parts and machining costs to get the rifle it should have been. I'm still waiting on my replica Remington forearm, but the polymer handguard right now is better than the aluminum. Still, I can compare it to the same amount of work and cost as improving my AR, but I can now switch between .300blk and 5.56 without hassle and still maintaining a decent zero. Although I personally haven't received my .300blk barrel from my machinist, I've used my buddies and the shift is about 1" low and 2" right at 100yds (using a score mark to return to proper torque). I understand and sympathize for those who hoped it would be more affordable, but with the current prices nowadays you shouldn't have any problems finding them for about 1500. It's simply a personal opinion and welcome other's opinion, but you can't rag on a rifle simply for it's price.
1/26/2012 4:48:37 PM
No.
1/26/2012 5:59:39 PM
NO. Put the money towards a fully tricked out AR. My AR weghs in at 8 lbs or so loaded. the ACR is the same empty. That was a big issue for me. Price was a big thing too but like I said put that towards an AR or better yet...AMMO
1/27/2012 4:13:07 PM
Originally Posted By 11bravo01:
Don't get me wrong because there are problems with the rifle and I had to call in some major favors, but I'm happy with it now that I had to invest an additional 1500 in parts and machining costs to get the rifle it should have been. I'm still waiting on my replica Remington forearm, but the polymer handguard right now is better than the aluminum. Still, I can compare it to the same amount of work and cost as improving my AR, but I can now switch between .300blk and 5.56 without hassle and still maintaining a decent zero. Although I personally haven't received my .300blk barrel from my machinist, I've used my buddies and the shift is about 1" low and 2" right at 100yds (using a score mark to return to proper torque). I understand and sympathize for those who hoped it would be more affordable, but with the current prices nowadays you shouldn't have any problems finding them for about 1500. It's simply a personal opinion and welcome other's opinion, but you can't rag on a rifle simply for it's price.
Don't get me wrong because there are problems with the rifle and I had to call in some major favors, but I'm happy with it now that I had to invest an additional 1500 in parts and machining costs to get the rifle it should have been. I'm still waiting on my replica Remington forearm, but the polymer handguard right now is better than the aluminum. Still, I can compare it to the same amount of work and cost as improving my AR, but I can now switch between .300blk and 5.56 without hassle and still maintaining a decent zero. Although I personally haven't received my .300blk barrel from my machinist, I've used my buddies and the shift is about 1" low and 2" right at 100yds (using a score mark to return to proper torque). I understand and sympathize for those who hoped it would be more affordable, but with the current prices nowadays you shouldn't have any problems finding them for about 1500. It's simply a personal opinion and welcome other's opinion, but you can't rag on a rifle simply for it's price.
So wait, you only liked the rifle once ou put an aditional $1500 ito it?
So $1600-$2000 for the rifle
And an extra $1500 to get it running good
Sounds like. A steal
1/27/2012 4:38:43 PM
If it's your first rifle I'd say no, get an AR. However if you have an AR and are looking for something differant I'd say yes, it's a nice rifle.
I can say this from experiance because I have one, I have put over 1K rnds through mine and it's been 100%, not one issue. I have seen some ACR's with issues but most of them are older first run ACR's. Is it a perfect gun? no. Does it have some things that can be improved? yes, but overall it's a nice rifle with lots of potential.
Most complaints I here are from people who never owned or shot one.
As far as price, I don't think they are worth 2k and wouldn't pay it, I paid a little over 1500.00 for a basic coyote model. I since added the folding stock and looking foward to the release of shorter barrels, hopefully they come out with a lt wt 14.5" 1/7 twist barrel.
I can say this from experiance because I have one, I have put over 1K rnds through mine and it's been 100%, not one issue. I have seen some ACR's with issues but most of them are older first run ACR's. Is it a perfect gun? no. Does it have some things that can be improved? yes, but overall it's a nice rifle with lots of potential.
Most complaints I here are from people who never owned or shot one.
As far as price, I don't think they are worth 2k and wouldn't pay it, I paid a little over 1500.00 for a basic coyote model. I since added the folding stock and looking foward to the release of shorter barrels, hopefully they come out with a lt wt 14.5" 1/7 twist barrel.
1/27/2012 11:34:16 PM
Originally Posted By NCTacoma:
After much debating and talking with people I came to the realization that the ACR was a piece of crap. So I bought a SCAR and an ACOG today. Ill probably go let some rounds off this weekend sometime.
After much debating and talking with people I came to the realization that the ACR was a piece of crap. So I bought a SCAR and an ACOG today. Ill probably go let some rounds off this weekend sometime.
Great choice! I cant say enough good about my SCAR.
