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0uTkAsT  [Member]
8/14/2011 6:59:26 AM
Anyone have any experience with these? How do they run? I'd like to hear some first-hand experience if possible, I'm thinking about buying one just for shits n giggles.

Also, anyone know where magazines for them can be found?

Thanks!
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vanvideo  [Member]
8/14/2011 12:21:58 PM
I had one. I sold it to fund another gun. Kinda wish I didn't. It's a fun little shooter. I'll probably pick up another one day, as I love small machine pistols.
But like all small subguns turned into semi-autos, it's hard to get any kind of acuracy. It makes sense as a full-auto, maybe even a semi-auto with the stock extended. But the VZ61 is a pistol only.

CDNN sells the VZ61 for $400, and they sell extra 20rd mags.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/
Federov  [Member]
8/14/2011 1:07:13 PM
I have one, bought it when they first were released and still love it.

Very accurate, fun to shoot, and have had no problems with it what so ever. I sort of wish I bought some extra magazines when they were dirt cheap.

While not a huge caliber, it's still fun as hell to shoot. You won't be disappointed.
0uTkAsT  [Member]
8/14/2011 1:37:23 PM
Awesome, thank you guys very much, that's exactly what I wanted to know!

The better half is 5'0" and 95lbs. She hated shooting anything but my .22s and AT94K but I sold the ATI to fund other projects so I'm hoping this will be something I can get her back to the range with. That, and I love little sub-guns and may eventually SBR and suppress it.
far_right  [Team Member]
8/14/2011 1:45:05 PM
Anyone SBRd and suppressed one?

0uTkAsT  [Member]
8/14/2011 2:57:15 PM
Originally Posted By far_right:
Anyone SBRd and suppressed one?


I've seen pictures which is why I want to do it. I'm sure it would be pretty quiet with a 9mm suppressor. I would like to get a YHM to throw on it once the barrel is threaded.

I'd love to find a source for the 20mm picatinny rail that mounts under the receiver also. CzechPoint doesn't have them listed and I can't seem to find parts and accessories anywhere else.
Gelgoog  [Member]
8/14/2011 4:33:27 PM
I got one and it runs pretty well. Picked up a bunch of extra mags and a stock that needs to be welded on once my form 1 arrives.
0uTkAsT  [Member]
8/14/2011 5:45:15 PM
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
I got one and it runs pretty well. Picked up a bunch of extra mags and a stock that needs to be welded on once my form 1 arrives.

If you don't mind my asking, how does the stock weld on? It's hard to tell from pictures how exactly the stock actually attaches to the receiver.
vanvideo  [Member]
8/14/2011 7:26:18 PM
There's a bracket that fits onto the back of the receiver. The stock attaches to the bracket. Obviously the pistol versions don't have this bracket, but there is a company that will add one to your gun.
It's called Waffen Werks. I approached them last year about doing the custom work. They said they could add the bracket, but i don't know what their policy is now: I sold the gun before I had any work done on it.

http://www.waffenwerks.com/

If they add the bracket, your gun is still a legal non-NFA pistol. When you add a stock, it then becomes an SBR. So if you don't have a stock (which can be found on Gunbroker and other places), you don't have an SBR.
There was a VZ61 with the bracket already attached for sale on EE a few months ago. I don't know if it ever sold.
Seb1  [Team Member]
8/14/2011 8:42:20 PM
I picked up one of the sbr versions with the tri-lug barrel last year directly from czechpoint usa. This is a fun little gun and with the swr trident on it, very quiet. It does through brass right violently straight up which sometimes comes right back at you when shooting under cover.

Scott
ChickenDaddy  [Team Member]
8/14/2011 10:55:21 PM
CZ website says out of production, CDNN is blowing them out, so they didn't catch on as a pistol, kind of heavy and hard to charge with the two little nubs. I got mine on sale at CDNN for just under $400, and love it!

The safety broke off recently (it's plastic), but even though CZ is "not supporting" these anymore, they sent me six safeties so I can replace them (apparently there are two different makes, so i got 3 usable safeties).

Mine feeds hollow points and ball. I get very good accuracy. CDNN has spare 20 round mags for $19.99

Very well made and finished. I want another in chrome and black.

These are a great deal––pistol, holster, mag pouch, two 20 and one ten round magazine, plus a nice quality foam lined hard case. AND you can SBR them. GO FOR IT!!



Federov  [Member]
8/14/2011 10:58:06 PM
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-61-parts-and-accessories/

They have spare parts and things like walnut grips and such.


It's a damn fun little pistol
ChickenDaddy  [Team Member]
8/15/2011 12:24:09 AM
Older, very short thread on these

Also. I think there is a longer thread in the archives.

GREAT TRIGGER.

The CD that comes with it is chock full of good info, pics and history.

Thanks for the link to CZ, i wanted some of the fancier grips :)
sefus  [Member]
8/15/2011 12:41:13 PM
Ive been waiting for about two years on the rumors that they'll be coming in in .380 (and 9) but still nothing. I am about ready to just buy one in 32 but dont want to stock another caliber.
SpacemanSpiff  [Member]
8/15/2011 6:42:28 PM
Originally Posted By sefus:
Ive been waiting for about two years on the rumors that they'll be coming in in .380 (and 9) but still nothing. I am about ready to just buy one in 32 but dont want to stock another caliber.


I wouldn't hold my breath on the other calibers, I really don't see that happening.
Federov  [Member]
8/16/2011 7:45:53 PM
I can't wait to get some nice walnut grips for mine.
MadDogDan  [Team Member]
8/17/2011 7:04:29 PM
I have had mine for about 2 years now and love it. I sent in my Form1 to SBR it the day I purchased it. I picked up the bracket from Waffenworx after my stamp came back and took all of a half hour to convert. You have to drill and tap the receiver to install the bracket. Once the bracket is mounted on the receiver, the stock (which I got complete for $25) just slides and locks into position. The folding stock can be taken off with the push of the plunger pin. The safety on mine is steel not plastic like one of the posters above mentioned.

This thing bump fires from the shoulder like crazy. Probably at 500 to 600 rpm but like mentioned you have to wear a hat or you may get a stream of hot brass bouncing off the top of your head. The only problem I have had is keeping it fed with ammo as it is so much fun to shoot. Lucky ammo only costs $10 to $12 per box of 50 in my neck of the woods.


MadDog







sefus  [Member]
8/18/2011 1:03:57 PM
From an email i received yesterday, I will be holding my breath for other calibers (.380 in early 2012).

Now academic only for possible class three stuff and all that, I saw on the weaponeer site (guys that build from kits) that there is a kit out there that has all the full auto stuff (sear, hammer...) included which you have to destroy and otherwise modify to build a semi auto version. WTF is with that? Seems like an easy way to get into trouble... or having a lot of expensive fun.
shootdaily  [Member]
8/18/2011 3:37:28 PM
Here's a video from czechpoint http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJixsX5sVLo
If I got one I would have to SBR it and I don't think I can justify that much money. I'm sure it would be fun but kinda a novelty.
ChickenDaddy  [Team Member]
9/11/2011 5:45:09 PM
I took mine out again. It was very hot and I forgot I had removed my hat. I have some nice ding marks on the top of my head from hot brass!

It was great fun to try to tilt the gun sideways and hit other shooters with a fast, hot stream of brass. Everyone wanted to try it after that.

Now one of my very favorite hand guns.
jake-cutter  [Team Member]
9/11/2011 7:06:56 PM
I think I am going to order one from CDNN this week and make it into an SBR. For those that have done the form 1 on these who did your engraving and where did they engrave it at?
DanTSX  [Team Member]
9/12/2011 1:55:52 AM
Originally Posted By sefus:
From an email i received yesterday, I will be holding my breath for other calibers (.380 in early 2012).

Now academic only for possible class three stuff and all that, I saw on the weaponeer site (guys that build from kits) that there is a kit out there that has all the full auto stuff (sear, hammer...) included which you have to destroy and otherwise modify to build a semi auto version. WTF is with that? Seems like an easy way to get into trouble... or having a lot of expensive fun.


Most parts-kits come with all the full-auto FCG parts. There even were M16A1 kit around for about $500 last year that came with ALL Colt M16 parts with the exception of the barrel and lower receiver. Sten kits are the same way. Open bolt and all. You need to do your own homework and figure out what parts or combination of parts in your possession construe constructive intent and put you at risk of prosecution.
jake-cutter  [Team Member]
9/12/2011 7:09:02 PM
Thanks to this thread I ordered one today with the Walnut grip from CDNN. As soon as it is in I plan on submitting my form 1.

Also emailed Waffen Werks to see how much they charge to put the bracket on.
Gelgoog  [Member]
9/12/2011 8:13:28 PM
Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
Thanks to this thread I ordered one today with the Walnut grip from CDNN. As soon as it is in I plan on submitting my form 1.

Also emailed Waffen Werks to see how much they charge to put the bracket on.


Can you give me the email address you sent it to. Their dumb application to hook you directly into your email is giving me problems.
jake-cutter  [Team Member]
9/12/2011 8:43:52 PM
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Can you give me the email address you sent it to. Their dumb application to hook you directly into your email is giving me problems.


Sent you an IM. If you scroll over thier contact info their email addresses show up in the bottom left hand of your brouser.
Gelgoog  [Member]
9/12/2011 11:21:34 PM
Originally Posted By jake-cutter:
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
Can you give me the email address you sent it to. Their dumb application to hook you directly into your email is giving me problems.


Sent you an IM. If you scroll over thier contact info their email addresses show up in the bottom left hand of your brouser.


good catch. I will post it if I get an answer.
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