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 Please provide info on this gun too: 'Enders Royal Service' (pics)
crankitdb711  [Member]
7/13/2009 5:39:54 PM EDT
It says "Enders Royal Service" on the side, I've done a search of the forum, internet, etc, and can't find much more definite info on this. I know it's not a particularly rare or expensive gun and it may have been made by either Crescent Firearms or Hunter Arms Company. Early 1900's? Maybe worth approximately $250-400 from comparison of guns of similar models but I can't find anything more specific or certain.

Most importantly, it feels like 12 gauge fits nicely in it but is it 12 gauge black powder? Can I shoot smokeless through it? Anyone have any info about this gun? Thank you!

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ZekeMenuar  [Team Member]
7/13/2009 5:55:34 PM EDT
From the standard Catalogue of firearms.

Empire Royal Shotgun: Trade name used by the Crescent Davis firearms Company on shotguns made for the Simmons Hardware Company of St Louis, Missouri.

More from the Crescent section: "Crescent was bought by J. Stevens Arms Co., Division of Savage Arms Corp. about 1930. It was merged with Davis-Warner Arms Corp. successors to N.R. Davis and Sons Co. and became Crescent-Davis Arms Corp.

In 1932 the operation was moved to the Stevens plant at Springfield, Mass. where some sidelock doubles were assembled. Crescent-Davis brand guns remained in Steven's full line catalogue until 1941 but from 1937 to 1941 the doubles sold in the C-D brand were on either Stevens or Davis boxlock frames."

More pics please. I like old double shotguns and rifles.

crankitdb711  [Member]
7/13/2009 7:18:26 PM EDT
Thank you for the response and the info. It definitely helps. I think Crescent and Hunter Arms both made them with the "Enders Royal Service" name. Crescent also made one, it looks like, according to some other site with any number of names including:
Empire Arms Co.
Empire State Arms Co.
Enders Oakleaf
Enders Special Service
Enders Royal Service

Would your book happen to say approximately when they would have been made and what gauge they might be (and whether they are bp or smokeless), whether they might be safe to shoot or an approximate cost worth? I'm in the PRNJ and wouldn't be in the free state where that gun is until Sunday, in order for me to take more pics, but I will take more and post them this weekend.
ZekeMenuar  [Team Member]
7/13/2009 7:40:12 PM EDT
The Enders Royal Service was made for Shapleigh Hardware Co.

Crescent started in 1892 and did make Damascus barrels. If it has Damascus barrels, I'd be leery of shooting it.
If it has regular steel barrels it's probably OK to shoot. Don't take my word for it. Run it past a gunsmith.

That's as much info as I can get from my book, without actually having the gun in my hands.
My unofficial rule of old shotguns is, if it has Damascus barrels, it's a wallhanger.

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crankitdb711  [Member]
7/13/2009 7:54:09 PM EDT
While the barrel is dark and not very monotone, it doesn't have the usual lines or grains customary in Damascus barrels as appears in wood. That's not to say it's definitely not, but I don't think it is. And here in the People's Republic of New Jersey, there are no gunsmiths anywhere that I know of to look at it but I'll try to look at little more.
Milo5  [Member]
7/13/2009 8:20:35 PM EDT
Look on the barrel rib or barrel sides for the words "Armory Steel" or "Fluid Steel" usually followed by "Choke Bored".

These are drawn steel or cast steel barrels and usually safe to shoot with smokeless 2 3/4" 1 ounce or 1 1/8 ounce target loads.
Heavy pitting inside or out will reduce the safety levels dramatically.
crankitdb711  [Member]
7/21/2009 7:33:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ZekeMenuar:
More pics please. I like old double shotguns and rifles.

FInally could take a few more pics...

Again, the steel is a bit dark but it doesn't look like Damascus - any additional thoughts from the new (and bigger) pics?
crankitdb711  [Member]
7/21/2009 7:37:58 PM EDT
PS. not to be replying to myself or anything, but that last pic has a very 'light at the end of the tunnel' feel to it...
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