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 9mm Lever rifle
ratdog43  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 2:03:24 AM
Does anyone make one? If not what's the best lever action rifle with cheap ammo available?
yzryl556  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 6:17:04 AM
don't think they make any but i've been wrong a lot of times.....

tag for more info........
osprey21  [Life Member]
2/21/2009 6:36:58 AM
No mfgr offers a lever gun in 9mm. I would one suggest the following;

Marlin 1894 Cowboy - .357/.38 Spl.
Rossi Puma M92 - .357 Mag/.38 Spl.
EMF/Hartford 1892 - .357/.38Spl.
Taurus Thunderbolt (pump action) .357/.38 Spl.
nhsport  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 8:20:48 AM
Most (all?) leverguns use rimmed cartridges. I suppose the design could be changed somehow to grab on a semi rimed style but not sure.
The shortness of the 9 would give you high capacity (good) but being designed for semi pistols all 9mm is or a fairly narrow power range.
A 38/.357 lever gun has the advantage of allowing you to use everything from the lightest 38 target load up to a snorting full power 357 load.
The added velocity and power you can get out of a 357 load in a carbine/rifle barrel is considerable
Hero  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 8:27:46 AM
Huge +1 for a .357 lever gun!
ratdog43  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 9:09:29 AM
What's the going price on a .357 Lever like a Marlin?

Also do they make Levers in .22 and are they cheap?
aaronrb204  [Member]
2/21/2009 10:22:20 AM
There are .22lr lever rifles out there made by a few different companies. Marlin's 39A is a great little rifle. And it goes very well with their 1894C in .357mag. I was going to pick one of those up recently but decided on a shotgun instead. I will be getting on in a little while. Bud's shows both going for a little under $500 each.
nhsport  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 10:46:45 AM
There are lots of finely finished and fitted parts in a lever gun when compared to a semi like the 10/22.
The levers are also low production compared to the 10/22 which doesn't help the situation.
If you do pony up the $500+ for a marlin 39 (22rf) you will have something that will stand up
to multiple generations of boyish abuse or many many generations of resonable care.
I love my Henry rimfire but time will tell if it holds up to the proven track record of the marlin

I like the ability to shoot any rf ammo (shorts,cb caps , cheepest cruddy bulk ammo) out of
the lever gun but truthfully if I am just out to plink a 10/22 or ar with Ceiner gets grabbed first.
I wouldn't recomend the lever as the one and only rimfire, grab a 10/22 or marlin 60 semi as your first and
treat yourself to the lever gun somewhere down the line
ratdog43  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 11:10:52 AM
How much are Henry .22's going for? Can they shoot magnum or LR only?
brentwal  [Team Member]
2/21/2009 12:14:32 PM
Originally Posted By ratdog43:
If not what's the best lever action rifle with cheap ammo available?



Marlin 39A
DanTSX  [Member]
2/21/2009 12:38:35 PM
Originally Posted By ratdog43:
How much are Henry .22's going for? Can they shoot magnum or LR only?



$220-$380

Short, long, or long rifle is just fine.


but get a used Marlin 39A over a new Henry. $300 - $350 if you take your time looking and it will last forever and will not want to put it down.


There are also a few lever actions out there that are not in the "cowboy gun" style. I think remeington has one that is really nice that is still made. As far as used, everyone had one. Lots of nice Remingtons, Winchesters, and Marlins in lever action. They usually have a very high capacity too.

My 39A is a really nice rifle and cost $399 for a classic one with a scope made before the rebound hammer and the retard safety. Holds 26 rounds of .22short. That is a LOT of dead squirrels

WantsAnRRA  [Member]
2/21/2009 2:49:07 PM
I would steer clear from the Henry...

I watched my Aunt's henry .22 lose all it's finish from a quick blast of gun scrubber.
ARMALITE-FAN  [Team Member]
2/24/2009 1:21:48 AM
Originally Posted By WantsAnRRA:
I would steer clear from the Henry...

I watched my Aunt's henry .22 lose all it's finish from a quick blast of gun scrubber.


I wouldn't. They run great and one of the best gun values ou there. They do have a painted reciever. Iused a thick coat of wax to protect my sons.
booger-hooker  [Team Member]
3/2/2009 3:00:51 PM
Back on topic...I'd love to be able to buy a 9mm lever action rifle as all my handguns and SMG's are 9mm and I don't want to buy .38/.357 ammo just for a lever action. Build it and we will buy!
JamesP81  [Member]
3/3/2009 4:17:38 PM
I think the issue is a technical one. 9mm is not a rimmed cartridge, and I think that lever guns need a rimmed cartridge in order to operate properly. But I could be terribly wrong.
JamesP81  [Member]
3/3/2009 4:21:16 PM
I'd love to have a semi-auto carbine in 45 ACP that takes 1911 magazines.
jonjsse1  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 5:52:45 PM
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
I'd love to have a semi-auto carbine in 45 ACP that takes 1911 magazines.


it already exists, although its not currently in production...

the marlin camp 45 carbine.. used ones go for between 600 and 900
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
3/3/2009 6:38:05 PM
There's a small problem with centerfire lever action rifles.

Stuff a bunch of pointy, centerfire cartridges with metallic tips down a tube. Now give it a couple good shakes up and down, like it would take during recoil.

If you're lucky, nothing happened.

If you're not lucky, one of those tips popped the primer in front of it, firing that round. That round then hits the one in front of it, etc.

Obviously, typical rimfire rounds don't have that problem, since the pointy end won't touch the rim of the round in front of it.

Recently, some company (Winchester?) Hornady started selling centerfire rounds with soft tips and, presumably, special primers, designed for tubular magazines. Leverevolution?
aaronrb204  [Member]
3/3/2009 9:08:28 PM
One of the companies was making a tube fed lever gun with a slightly spiraled tube. This put the pointy tips of the bullets off the primer of the round in front.
JamesP81  [Member]
3/3/2009 9:51:47 PM
Originally Posted By jonjsse1:
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
I'd love to have a semi-auto carbine in 45 ACP that takes 1911 magazines.


it already exists, although its not currently in production...

the marlin camp 45 carbine.. used ones go for between 600 and 900


Yes, I looked into these a while back. Would love to have one. But not for the price of a new AR-15. Especially considering that they something like $200 brand new. Marlin quit making them because they were afraid some crook was going to use one in a shooting
blackhawkhunter  [Team Member]
3/4/2009 4:25:03 PM
Originally Posted By JBlitzen:
There's a small problem with centerfire lever action rifles.

Stuff a bunch of pointy, centerfire cartridges with metallic tips down a tube. Now give it a couple good shakes up and down, like it would take during recoil.

If you're lucky, nothing happened.

If you're not lucky, one of those tips popped the primer in front of it, firing that round. That round then hits the one in front of it, etc.

Obviously, typical rimfire rounds don't have that problem, since the pointy end won't touch the rim of the round in front of it.

Recently, some company (Winchester?) Hornady started selling centerfire rounds with soft tips and, presumably, special primers, designed for tubular magazines. Leverevolution?


Even with the pointiest round you wont casue a detonation just by shaking the rifle! Also, what handgun round is pointed like a spitzer? I have a bunch of lever actions and never had a problem. Even when I went thru a phase and reloaded pointy bullets I never had a problem, just used it as a 2 shot gun. And like you say, now the Hornady stuff has really stepped up the horsepower available out of a lever.

Defensor_Fortis  [Member]
3/4/2009 5:14:05 PM
A 9mm lever gun would have to be a box magazine fed gun. This is not a "new" idea, the Savage 99, Winchester 1895, Browning BLR, Winchester 88, all had box magazines for centerfire rifle rounds with spitzer bullets.

I don't think you'd find a manufacturer willing to make such an odd gun with such low demand just for you though.
buckfever34  [Team Member]
3/5/2009 10:54:29 AM
Originally Posted By Hero:
Huge +1 for a .357 lever gun!


Yep, I especially like the Marlin 1894s.
gdblair  [Team Member]
3/16/2009 8:03:27 PM
Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
A 9mm lever gun would have to be a box magazine fed gun. This is not a "new" idea, the Savage 99, Winchester 1895, Browning BLR, Winchester 88, all had box magazines for centerfire rifle rounds with spitzer bullets.

I don't think you'd find a manufacturer willing to make such an odd gun with such low demand just for you though.


Ah ha ! You would not need a box magazine as long as you had a flat on the bullet nose probably as large as the primer of the cartridge in front of it in the magazine tube.

And , given that some of those levers that you just mentioned didn't need rims on the cartridges , neither would the 9mm lever!

I've had to think about this because I would like one in 7.62x25 , I have even devised a way to procure a Tokarev revolver (moon clips and all).



ETA- eh, until a manufacturer gets the idea I'll stick to 38/357

Barndoor  [Member]
3/17/2009 7:00:39 PM
Probably of academic interest only but a UK company, Southern Gun Co, used to offer an AR based 9mm lever action (LA9) and still do produce a similar lever action in .30 cal (http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/?page=items&cat_id=1&item_id=33). I believe that the 9mm suffered from significant extraction problems; the only one that I ever saw in use was incredibly difficult to cycle and, though very accurate, was no match for the Marlins and Winchesters in a PP1 competition .
gdblair  [Team Member]
3/17/2009 8:37:38 PM
Originally Posted By Barndoor:
Probably of academic interest only but a UK company, Southern Gun Co, used to offer an AR based 9mm lever action (LA9) and still do produce a similar lever action in .30 cal (http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/?page=items&cat_id=1&item_id=33). I believe that the 9mm suffered from significant extraction problems; the only one that I ever saw in use was incredibly difficult to cycle and, though very accurate, was no match for the Marlins and Winchesters in a PP1 competition .


I believe the problem AR's have with manual extraction is too little camming force(bolt carrier design) in addition to a straight walled case with the 9mm.

Don't some of the guys over there have to whack 'em with a mallet?

A true lever gun would have no problem with a rimless case. "The" concern is making sure you have a flat nose on the bullet to not engage the primer of the cartridge in front of it in the magazine.

Not disagreeing with you just pointing out a difference that the true lever was designed to have a higher mechanical advantage to be operated manually.

ETA- the 30 carbine probably does better on extraction in the AR d/t some case taper as compared to the 9mm.

ETA- Something else to think about is rimless cartridges have a very nice extractor groove that is better to grab onto than most rimmed cartridges.




Young-Kiwi  [Member]
3/18/2009 6:14:59 AM
Originally Posted By buckfever34:
Originally Posted By Hero:
Huge +1 for a .357 lever gun!


Yep, I especially like the Marlin 1894s.


Which are fantastic guns.

But when thinking about the dollars, I like the much more basic Rossi's. Great little guns
dpmmn  [Team Member]
3/18/2009 6:20:48 AM

Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By ratdog43:
How much are Henry .22's going for? Can they shoot magnum or LR only?



$220-$380

Short, long, or long rifle is just fine.




They also have a .22 magnum
Barndoor  [Member]
3/19/2009 7:33:54 AM
[
quote]Originally Posted By gdblair:
Originally Posted By Barndoor:
Probably of academic interest only but a UK company, Southern Gun Co, used to offer an AR based 9mm lever action (LA9) and still do produce a similar lever action in .30 cal (http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/?page=items&cat_id=1&item_id=33). I believe that the 9mm suffered from significant extraction problems; the only one that I ever saw in use was incredibly difficult to cycle and, though very accurate, was no match for the Marlins and Winchesters in a PP1 competition .


I believe the problem AR's have with manual extraction is too little camming force(bolt carrier design) in addition to a straight walled case with the 9mm.

Don't some of the guys over there have to whack 'em with a mallet?

A true lever gun would have no problem with a rimless case. "The" concern is making sure you have a flat nose on the bullet to not engage the primer of the cartridge in front of it in the magazine.

Not disagreeing with you just pointing out a difference that the true lever was designed to have a higher mechanical advantage to be operated manually.

ETA- the 30 carbine probably does better on extraction in the AR d/t some case taper as compared to the 9mm.

ETA- Something else to think about is rimless cartridges have a very nice extractor groove that is better to grab onto than most rimmed cartridges.[quote]


I agree, it’s the combination of the 9mm case in the manual-op AR format that is not really a practical proposition. A mallet or something similar seems an essential aid to extraction. On the two occasions I’ve seen these at the range (one lever action and one straight pull only) a mallet was called for The reports I’ve heard are that the 30 carbine man-op AR does indeed function much better. Lever action wise, I find it hard to beat my 357 Marlin 1894P-though the 44Mag variant would be a nice addition!






Chris_1522  [Team Member]
3/19/2009 5:54:12 PM
What would a 9mm levergun be good for that a simple blowback operated 9mm semi-auto carbine wouldn't do better?
Kvac1  [Member]
3/19/2009 6:28:00 PM
I handled a Winchester 94 in 30-30, made in 1957 today, it looked it's age and they wanted $575
for it but I seen another at a diff. shop for $300, better shape but probably made about 30 years later.
MEatVt  [Member]
3/19/2009 8:12:45 PM
Originally Posted By Chris_1522:
What would a 9mm levergun be good for that a simple blowback operated 9mm semi-auto carbine wouldn't do better?


It would just be a fun little gun. I can get on board with that.
gdblair  [Team Member]
3/19/2009 8:17:33 PM
Originally Posted By Chris_1522:
What would a 9mm levergun be good for that a simple blowback operated 9mm semi-auto carbine wouldn't do better?


Oh , it would probably be 3 lbs lighter and twice as perdy. Then it would also be able to handle much heavier or lighter loads too.

- and no mags to lose!


GenghisKhan  [Member]
3/20/2009 5:24:42 PM
Originally Posted By brentwal:
Originally Posted By ratdog43:
If not what's the best lever action rifle with cheap ammo available?



Marlin 39A



Ditto, or if you can find one a 39ATD Which is a short back packers version.