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PC-Tech  [Member]
1/9/2009 4:12:17 PM
I'm sure this has been asked a lot. But my search did not come up with the answer.

Thanks for the info upfront.

Marked "LAW ENFORCEMENT/GOVERNMENT USE ONLY" Is it legal for civilian ownership? If it is WTF put it on do companies put them on it?

PC-Tech
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BobCole  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 4:25:18 PM
Yes, it is legal to own. However, I would probably keep a receipt close by if I were at a public range, IMO. Shooting it at a match wouldn't likely be a concern, OTOH.

Look at all the WW2 guns out there that's stamped "Property of the US Govt".
ShakenNotStirred  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 6:13:55 PM
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Yes, it is legal to own. However, I would probably keep a receipt close by if I were at a public range, IMO. Shooting it at a match wouldn't likely be a concern, OTOH.


A receipt?

Since when does some meaningless* engraving/stamping on a receiver give a LEO probable cause for anything other than a casual conversation?

A LEO that took action on those markings would be opening up his department to legal action for unlawful arrest and/or confiscation. This is no slam on you or your advice, Bob, but a clear understanding of what the law is and what LE may and may not do is called for here.




* of course, these markings may not be meaningless in NY, NJ, MA, CT, or CA.
BobCole  [Team Member]
1/9/2009 11:50:15 PM
Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:

A receipt?

Since when does some meaningless* engraving/stamping on a receiver give a LEO probable cause for anything other than a casual conversation?

A LEO that took action on those markings would be opening up his department to legal action for unlawful arrest and/or confiscation. This is no slam on you or your advice, Bob, but a clear understanding of what the law is and what LE may and may not do is called for here.


* of course, these markings may not be meaningless in NY, NJ, MA, CT, or CA.



Dare I suggest that the average LEO barely knows which end of the tube the rd comes out of? When he/she sees "LEO only" stamped on the gun, they're gonna be proactive in sticking their nose in, IMO.

I've had TWRA (wildlife officers) check my M4 AR at the range to ensure it wasn't full auto..........

Bowhntr6pt  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 7:49:00 AM
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:

A receipt?

Since when does some meaningless* engraving/stamping on a receiver give a LEO probable cause for anything other than a casual conversation?

A LEO that took action on those markings would be opening up his department to legal action for unlawful arrest and/or confiscation. This is no slam on you or your advice, Bob, but a clear understanding of what the law is and what LE may and may not do is called for here.


* of course, these markings may not be meaningless in NY, NJ, MA, CT, or CA.



Dare I suggest that the average LEO barely knows which end of the tube the rd comes out of? When he/she sees "LEO only" stamped on the gun, they're gonna be proactive in sticking their nose in, IMO.

I've had TWRA (wildlife officers) check my M4 AR at the range to ensure it wasn't full auto..........



I'm LEO and I can tell you many of my co-workers don't know jack about guns. I am constantly getting calls (glad they call me) about various legal issues and guns.

Generally, cops know the basics such as concealed carry issues, age and possesion issues, but other than that, many are lost when it comes to NFA stuff and the former ban stuff. Not all, but many.

You both have good points... as long as you (the owner) can tell/inform an officer about the issue at hand, you should be ok.
ShakenNotStirred  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 8:30:04 AM
Originally Posted By BobCole:

Dare I suggest that the average LEO barely knows which end of the tube the rd comes out of? When he/she sees "LEO only" stamped on the gun, they're gonna be proactive in sticking their nose in, IMO.

I've had TWRA (wildlife officers) check my M4 AR at the range to ensure it wasn't full auto..........



You're spot on with LEO's, as Bowhntr6pt verifies.

Would you mind sharing the story of the TWRA officers? Did they confiscate your gun from you w/o your permission to "check" it? I would politely refuse to allow a LEO to inspect my perfectly legal firearm.

There is nothing about a firearm that creates a presumption of illegality that they should be checking for.
shrikefan  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 8:36:12 AM
Originally Posted By PC-Tech:
I'm sure this has been asked a lot. But my search did not come up with the answer.

Thanks for the info upfront.

Marked "LAW ENFORCEMENT/GOVERNMENT USE ONLY" Is it legal for civilian ownership? If it is WTF put it on do companies put them on it?

PC-Tech



To answer you question - The marking USED to be required in the federal AWB. The federal AWB has expired. Some states still have similar restrictions.

I contend that COLT still puts them on as a marketing strategy. YMMV

Flame suit ON!
shrikefan  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 8:39:03 AM
Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:
Originally Posted By BobCole:

Dare I suggest that the average LEO barely knows which end of the tube the rd comes out of? When he/she sees "LEO only" stamped on the gun, they're gonna be proactive in sticking their nose in, IMO.

I've had TWRA (wildlife officers) check my M4 AR at the range to ensure it wasn't full auto..........



You're spot on with LEO's, as Bowhntr6pt verifies.

Would you mind sharing the story of the TWRA officers? Did they confiscate your gun from you w/o your permission to "check" it? I would politely refuse to allow a LEO to inspect my perfectly legal firearm.

There is nothing about a firearm that creates a presumption of illegality that they should be checking for.


I have heard of RO's at private clubs/ranges doing the same thing. I contend that that is a good way to get shot - grabbing someone's gun and messing with it without their prior approval.

BobCole  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 8:19:23 PM
Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:

Would you mind sharing the story of the TWRA officers? Did they confiscate your gun from you w/o your permission to "check" it? I would politely refuse to allow a LEO to inspect my perfectly legal firearm.

There is nothing about a firearm that creates a presumption of illegality that they should be checking for.



No, they didn't confiscate my M4 nor did they even lay a hand on it, I wouldn't allow that.

We were playing with AR's & I had one of the girls shoot two AR's at the same time, from the hip. TWRA heard the "full auto" fire & came racing down the road to the range & fell all over theirselves to "discover" whom had the full auto.

After a bit of "discussion", they were convinced that no one had a full auto & went off to harrass someone else..................

SilentType  [Team Member]
1/10/2009 8:57:08 PM
Originally Posted By BobCole:Dare I suggest that the average LEO barely knows which end of the tube the rd comes out of? When he/she sees "LEO only" stamped on the gun, they're gonna be proactive in sticking their nose in, IMO.

I've had TWRA (wildlife officers) check my M4 AR at the range to ensure it wasn't full auto..........




Hate to say it, but it's true. Plenty of LEO's out there that aren't exactly great legal scholars my friends and certainly no shortage of LEO's that are as ignorant about firearms as politicians.
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