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 223 and 308 grenade launching blanks - where to get them?
GroundFire201  [Member]
4/23/2006 5:40:56 PM
I didn't know where to post this so I posted it here. If this is the wrong place to post is I'll post it in the proper forum. Just let me know where that would be.

What's the difference between regular blanks and grenade launching blanks?
And where can I get the grenade launching blanks for 223 and 308?
Will to do any dammage to the rifles by firing inert grenades?

I'll be using an AR, FAL or M1A

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BobCole  [Team Member]
4/23/2006 8:40:00 PM
AFAIK, there's no such thing as .223 grenade launching blanks. The M-79 & M203 took over that duty from the rifle proper.

On the .308, I've never heard of them there either. I'm betting the M-79 came out about the same time the M-14 did?????

As for damage, I don't see why it would harm a .308 rifle, although there's no inert grenades for them or the .223, again AFAIK.

My .o2
TapperMan  [Member]
4/23/2006 10:44:56 PM
There is/was a 5.56 mm grenade launching round. It's the M195 cartridge which is rosette crimped with red lacquer as opposed to the violet colored M200 blank.
weptek911  [Team Member]
4/23/2006 10:45:58 PM
I use the 7.62X51 (.308) British Radway-Green blanks that are sold as " too hot for blank firing adaptors. " IM me and I might be able to spare a few (hundred or so )

They work great with the Israeli practice grenade set that I have. ( they are designed for the AR-15 and Galil. ) I shoot the grenades out of a French MAS-49/56 in .308 . Works great out to 80 yards or so. The MAS 49/56 has a gas shut off valve like the Yugo SKS for grenade shooting. They also work great on a bolt-action Spanish FR-8 in .308 with an integral grenade launcher

I believe the Israelis used a bullet trap grenade with a live round .

****Warning, I have never tried the Bullet Trap feature and I do not recommend anyone try it***
Doing so may result in injury or death.
weptek911  [Team Member]
4/23/2006 10:54:09 PM

Originally Posted By BobCole:
AFAIK, there's no such thing as .223 grenade launching blanks. The M-79 & M203 took over that duty from the rifle proper.

On the .308, I've never heard of them there either. I'm betting the M-79 came out about the same time the M-14 did?????

As for damage, I don't see why it would harm a .308 rifle, although there's no inert grenades for them or the .223, again AFAIK.
My .o2




Current military issue. Used by the IDF for training purposes on M16 and Galil .223 rifles. Fully-inert 14" grenades are patterned after the IMI BT/AT-44 dual-purpose rifle grenade. New set is packaged in the original wooden crate, dated 1-98, includes 6 grenade assemblies and the following repair parts: 40 plastic fins, 32 body tubes, 12 outer sleeves, 30 spacer rings, 24 locking nuts, 2 nut wrenches, 1 key wrench, 20 M16 ladder sights and 30 Galil ladder sights in 35/60/85 meter graduations (197 pieces total). Weight, 27 lbs.

Buy your M-16 and Galil INERT grenades here.
Wild_Man  [Member]
4/24/2006 12:45:40 PM
My understanding is that grenade launching blanks use a slower burning powder than regular blanks. Have not been able to find them myself, but recently talked to a guy who had some. He said they will launch those practice grenades up to 400 yards off a FAL. He was considering making and selling grenade blanks and practice grenades. Hope he does! Those practice grenades are a lot of fun.
GaryM  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 4:09:33 PM
I ended up laoding my own from the data in the back of "Cartridges of the World". Instead of crimping in a star pattern I just rolled up some wadding and stuffed it in the cartridge neck to keep everything in.
It was really kewl to actually fire a dummy grenade off, blew a huge hole in the B2 silhouette...
BobCole  [Team Member]
4/24/2006 7:28:28 PM

Originally Posted By weptek911:

They work great with the Israeli practice grenade set that I have.






Ah, foreign made. That explains a lot...................
weptek911  [Team Member]
4/25/2006 12:12:44 AM

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By weptek911:

They work great with the Israeli practice grenade set that I have.



Ah, foreign made. That explains a lot...................



Explains what ? , That once again you don't any any idea about what you are talking about ?
Bob you have to be THE most ignorant self-professed expert on anything and everything that has ever posted here.

How about these rifle grenades issued for the M-14 by the USMC

"More impressive was watching those Marine infantrymen scramble out of the UH-34 helicopters and moved towards the tree line in front of them. Before they could reach the trees, their own mortar sections had covered the area with smoke rounds to obscure their movement. I mentioned to Sergeant Haferkamp that I had never witnessed 60mm mortars fire so fast or so accurately. The vision remained with me as an idea to be used later".

Later on, he discovers how the fire was delivered so quickly in a conversation with Staff Sergeant Pete Connors In the mess hall. Sgt. Connors was in the company he had been watching and it was his idea to use rifle grenades in a helicopter assault. I'll pickup his later statement as to how his company employed them.

"I told him I had watched their progress that day and was impressed with how rapidly they had been able to put their 60mm WP rounds into the tree line. Staff Sergeant Connors laughed and said that what I had witnessed was not 60mm mortar fire, but rifle grenade used in a unique manner. Connors told me he assigned one M-14 grenade launcher to each squad. Since new men had a problem telling where enemy fire was coming from, he gave the rifle grenade launcher to his most experienced men. The M-14 required the spindle valve be turned to the OFF position to fire the rifle grenade. Connors said he required his Grenadier to have one WP grenade attached to the rifle and a crimped cartridge in the rifle's chamber. The Grenadier also had a full magazine of 7.62mm rounds locked in his rifle's magazine well. As soon as he fired the WP grenade, the Rifleman/Grenadier immediately turned the spindle valve to the ON position, pulled back on the operating rod, and loaded a live round into the chamber. He followed the burst of his WP grenade with a stream of nineteen rounds of accurate rifle fire. Knowing where the enemy was located, the rest of the rifle squad could key in on the bursting white phosphorous grenade and deliver more accurate fire."

LINK TO SOURCE
BobCole  [Team Member]
4/25/2006 7:41:47 PM

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Explains what ? , That once again you don't any any idea about what you are talking about ?
Bob you have to be THE most ignorant self-professed expert on anything and everything that has ever posted here.





A) Never once have I claimed to be an expert in anything, have I?

B) Go back & re-read the post, shit for brains. I repeatedly wrote "AFAIK", which for your mangina means, "As Far As I Know".

C) Awfully easy to be a keyboard tough guy. No doubt you never attmept this shit in real life.

D) No doubt people enjoy you shitting in their threads as well.
weptek911  [Team Member]
4/25/2006 8:02:17 PM

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Explains what ? , That once again you don't any any idea about what you are talking about ?
Bob you have to be THE most ignorant self-professed expert on anything and everything that has ever posted here.





A) Never once have I claimed to be an expert in anything, have I?

B) Go back & re-read the post, shit for brains. I repeatedly wrote "AFAIK", which for your mangina means, "As Far As I Know".

C) Awfully easy to be a keyboard tough guy. No doubt you never attmept this shit in real life.

D) No doubt people enjoy you shitting in their threads as well.



Bob,

1)Take your medication
2) Stop giving bad advice
3) get your stories and your history straight.
4)If people ask a question and you don't know , just stay out of it. We'll understand. Honest.
5) Admit you were wrong (again) in this instance , not because you are weak, but because it's the right thing to do .
6) Don't IM me again.




BobCole  [Team Member]
4/25/2006 8:35:40 PM

Originally Posted By weptek911:

1)Take your medication



Already have.


2) Stop giving bad advice


Which part of "as far as I know " confused the shit out of you????????????



6) Don't IM me again.


Tough.
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
4/25/2006 8:57:35 PM
So how about those grenade launching blanks?
Where there ever any made in .30 carbine?
How difficult are they to find in 7.62x39mm? (for yugo SKS and AK)
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