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 Know your CETMES or know the "H-word" well? Your help is appreciated.
pulpsmack  [Member]
7/28/2005 12:33:17 AM EST
Ok, Ok... it's a well-established truism here that HESSE = VULCAN = SHIT.

They have established such a reputation by churning out grossly substandard ARs, and it is impossible to believe that such shoddy workmanship would be exclusive to their ARs alone. Well, now comes the distressing (for me) part of the thread. I learned this H=V=S truism looooong after I purchased my famous HK 91 knockoff, the US assembled rifle fabricated from a CETME kit... wood furniture & all. And who fabricated mine? Yes, sadly it was Hesse. on the right side of the receiver the letters boldly mock me: "HESSE ST PAUL, MN Model H91 7.62mm" on the left, Ser: G0053XX.

First question (the rhetorical one): Can ALL Hesse rifles be complete garbage? I mean as sure as Colt, etc churns out the occasional lemon, couldn't the reverse apply to this corner-cutting outfit?

Second question: Does anybody know anything about Hesse besides H=V=S? I mean their ARs are cast aluminum of the worst grade, but these CETME kits strike me as one might make lasagne: if you have the slightest inking of what you're doing it's VERY difficult to screw it up. So, is Hesse's God-awful reputation exclusively/generally attributed to their substandard ARs, or did it apply across the board?

Third Question: Assuming that Hesse was an all-around horrible company (the logical assumption) how does one tell if his CETME rifle is correct or crap? the rifle has popped off a few hundred rounds of surplus & Winchester flawlessly & has the more desireable HK barrel style rear sight apeture. Cetme mags do seat a bit tightly and the four HK G3 mags used cycled unreliably but it could be the fact that they were rusty, muddy throwaways from the mid 1960s or a combination thereof. What do you make of this? is there more info that I could provide to help you help me? what things should I look for to determine the fitness of this weapon? TIA for the help.
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Blitzkreig  [Member]
7/28/2005 4:47:59 AM EST
I looked at some of these and did some research prior to deciding it wasn't worth the gamble. The big issues that I remember were:

1) Canted barrels with inherently limited windage adjustment on sights.
2) Tight take down pins to remove stock and field strip.
3) CETME mags are a lil different. Some folks have issues with G3 mags being loose, not feeding well.

If yours/your friend's rifle doesn't have these issues, you may have gotten a decent one. At this point kvetching about a Hesse rifle that you already own is kind of a moot point. If you can field strip it and get it to print reasonable groups while using the appropriate mags be happy.

YMMV

Blitz
RS39  [Site Staff]
7/28/2005 5:22:59 AM EST
When Century took over rec stamping and builds from Hesse, QC went up

They use the same rec for HK and CETME builds, and 'natural' variation in mags wells/catches accounts for different mag preferences. As a generic rule, CET mags are looser than G3 mags, filing and tweaking is very doable.

IF it shoots poa at varied distances, so the sights are not just right at one distance, you found one without crooked bits.

See cetmerifles.com or the forum at gunboards to learn how to measure headspace with a feeler gauge between the carrier and bolt head. It gets tighter with wear, larger rollers can be had to adjust a bit, but may already be in there...

My Century CETME was a diamond in the coal bed, so good luck can happen with homework/handpicks.
Fenian  [Team Member]
7/30/2005 1:56:33 PM EST
Mine is a bitch to cock, a real bitch to clean, and the sights are crooked...I got it down to about 4" high and right at 100 yards, but that's as much adjustments as there is available.

I bought an $80 B Square mount that doesn't fit, so I coudln't put a red dot on it...and I'm not about to blow another $125 to see if those Wallace and Grommit (can't remember the name..you know, the Austrian ones lol)will fit.

The shame is that even with iron sights, this thing shoots VERY consistently, and is more accurate than the 4 FALs I've owned. Still, I'd like to get rid of it, since I'm not really gonna shoot it much.
cruzie27  [Member]
7/31/2005 12:35:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fenian:
Mine is a bitch to cock, a real bitch to clean, and the sights are crooked...I got it down to about 4" high and right at 100 yards, but that's as much adjustments as there is available.

I bought an $80 B Square mount that doesn't fit, so I coudln't put a red dot on it...and I'm not about to blow another $125 to see if those Wallace and Grommit (can't remember the name..you know, the Austrian ones lol)will fit.

The shame is that even with iron sights, this thing shoots VERY consistently, and is more accurate than the 4 FALs I've owned. Still, I'd like to get rid of it, since I'm not really gonna shoot it much.



pictures,... price?
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