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 Mercury Filled Bullet
Key2America  [Member]
2/12/2005 12:49:55 PM EST
Got a question of the pros... what kind of damage can be expected from a mercury filled bullet. Mercury posioning? Will the bullet explode on impact?

Thanks for any info here...
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BUCC_Guy  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 1:23:31 PM EST













Key2America  [Member]
2/12/2005 1:32:42 PM EST
This was a serious question as I am doing some research.....
Rocklock  [Member]
2/12/2005 2:04:12 PM EST
The only referance I've ever heard of them is from Day of The Jackle , other than that I'm not sure they are for real . RL
Skunkeye  [Member]
2/12/2005 2:07:13 PM EST


I can only speak to their effectiveness while bumpfiring underwater. They are much better than the encapsulated hydrogen bullets I was using.
sharky30  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 2:46:37 PM EST
I'm sure the mercury would add to lethality(long term if nothing else), although I don't know how quickly and/or how much pure mercury is needed to be quickly toxic. although my chemistry teacher in highschool told us if we ever broke one of the mercury thermometers to get away from it and be sure not to touch it or breathe the fumes. I think it'd probably "squirt" mercury into the surrounding tissue resulting in mercury in the blood stream but I'm not sure about the bullet doing anything that would be considered exploding.
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 2:57:45 PM EST
Do you mean a bullet filled with mercury fulminate like Hinkley shot Reagan with?

The bullets Hinkley used were actually called Devastators.

Devastators have lead azide-filled centers within lacquer-sealed aluminum tips.
DanishM1Garand  [Member]
2/12/2005 3:02:58 PM EST
The mercury will instantly alloy itself with the lead. I fell for the urban myth and had to try it.

It was--------


The story was that the mercury would hydrostaticly explode or some thing. Hollowed out a 30-30 flat nose poured in a drop of mercury was gonna seal it with super glue but it just alloyed with the lead.

Might not alloy to a copper jacket with out lead though?!
Wildcat78  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 4:12:56 PM EST
Been watching Underworld?

C-4  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 5:16:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
The mercury will instantly alloy itself with the lead. I fell for the urban myth and had to try it.

It was--------


The story was that the mercury would hydrostaticly explode or some thing. Hollowed out a 30-30 flat nose poured in a drop of mercury was gonna seal it with super glue but it just alloyed with the lead.

Might not alloy to a copper jacket with out lead though?!



Mercury alloys, or amalgamates, to many metals including copper, tin, lead, cadmium, mercury, antimony, etc. but will not amalgamate with steel/iron. It shouldn't be a problem with copper.
Shrapnel  [Member]
2/12/2005 5:23:32 PM EST
I like to fill mine with bacon grease it gives them elevated cholesterol.
Ranman223  [Member]
2/12/2005 5:37:37 PM EST
Bacon grease would be GREAT against Muslums . Contaimation of the body temple by an unpure substance. thus making it impossible to get into the eternal paradise
gtcpl2  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 6:02:20 PM EST
If you would like exploding bullets just ad an inverted primer into the hollow point.
MTNmyMag  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 6:05:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By gtcpl2:
If you would like exploding bullets just ad an inverted primer into the hollow point.



that doesnt work either
windom  [Member]
2/12/2005 6:09:13 PM EST
I've heard of bullets drilled out in the rear, then filled with a few drops of mercury, then soldered over, and it will make heads explode. Mercury is very poisonous though.
Key2America  [Member]
2/12/2005 7:49:59 PM EST
Can an XP-100 (Normally used with .221 Fireball ammo) using .222 and filled with mercury have a devastating effect on a human head/skull...

This shot was fired in the early 60s.... the shooter is claimed to have made the right front head shot on JFK.... in slow motion I've watched the Zapruder Film and the bullet that hits JFK's right front temple seems to explode and fragment on impact doing extensive damage... I just can see a .222 cartridge doing that...

I owned one of the first XP-100's released in the early 60s.... and ammo like that would have only been available to CIA (and those who made their ammo) in any calibler....

Any further help would be appreciated... just think back to what was available in the early 60s... not the hi tech stuff of today...

Thanks for an feedback....
Armed_Scientist  [Member]
2/12/2005 8:22:26 PM EST
rtech  [Member]
2/12/2005 8:26:01 PM EST
From what I understand, the mercury would add more mass to the bullet but I doubt that it would weigh much more than lead would. Mercury ends up in the brain from what medical people I've talked with.

Bacon grease would be a better option. Death from within!

I've got some mercury around in a bottle somewhere in storage. If the gov found out they'd evac for miles around and do a superfund clean up, remove a couple of feet of soil and drain all the ground water and rivers for miles. Wouldn't be able to inhabit again for years. What's the half life of that stuff again?

Didn't the cop in "Jaws" fill up the hollow points in his .357 and seal them with wax?

I always thought merc filled bullets would be rated in kilo tonnage or mega tonnage blast damage from all the BS you hear over the years.
virginia22  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 8:39:53 PM EST
just super glue a regular BB into the hollow point.



Chris
OLO  [Member]
2/12/2005 8:54:48 PM EST
Pb weighs in at 207.2 and Hg at 200.59, but the fact that Hg is a liquid and Pb is a solid definately influences the momentum of the projectile once it encounters resistance.
AssaultRifler  [Team Member]
2/12/2005 8:58:17 PM EST
This sounds like a job for the Box O' Truth/Locks guy!
taptap  [Member]
2/13/2005 12:53:37 AM EST
you're conducting 'research' by posting on an internet BB?
C-4  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 3:36:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Key2America:
Can an XP-100 (Normally used with .221 Fireball ammo) using .222 and filled with mercury have a devastating effect on a human head/skull...

This shot was fired in the early 60s.... the shooter is claimed to have made the right front head shot on JFK.... in slow motion I've watched the Zapruder Film and the bullet that hits JFK's right front temple seems to explode and fragment on impact doing extensive damage... I just can see a .222 cartridge doing that...

I owned one of the first XP-100's released in the early 60s.... and ammo like that would have only been available to CIA (and those who made their ammo) in any calibler....

Any further help would be appreciated... just think back to what was available in the early 60s... not the hi tech stuff of today...

Thanks for an feedback....



Are you worried that a head shot is not enough to kill someone so you need to have mercury droplets spread around in an already instantly fatal wound? Any high velocity rifle bullet will cause the head to explode. I would recommend reading through here-->www.ammo-oracle.com and also reading the Dr. Fackler articles tacked up in the AR-15 Ammo Forum. For someone who has been into guns since long before I was born you seem to have a very poor knowledge base.
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 3:47:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Key2America:
Can an XP-100 (Normally used with .221 Fireball ammo) using .222 and filled with mercury have a devastating effect on a human head/skull...

This shot was fired in the early 60s.... the shooter is claimed to have made the right front head shot on JFK.... in slow motion I've watched the Zapruder Film and the bullet that hits JFK's right front temple seems to explode and fragment on impact doing extensive damage... I just can see a .222 cartridge doing that...

I owned one of the first XP-100's released in the early 60s.... and ammo like that would have only been available to CIA (and those who made their ammo) in any calibler....

Any further help would be appreciated... just think back to what was available in the early 60s... not the hi tech stuff of today...

Thanks for an feedback....



This proves the CIA killed JFK.
akethan  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 3:51:47 AM EST
Watch the "The Exterminator" a mid-80's movie.

A guy made his own mercury filled bullets, and they did explode on impact.

but it was a movie not real life
Key2America  [Member]
2/13/2005 5:44:22 AM EST
C4, thanks for the info that was pertaining to what I asked... for the rest your just a punk.

For your infomation I am a USMC Viet Nam vet and was there for TET of '68 and don't feel I need to explain my background to some child...pilgrim... I doubt you've every handled C4.... I have...

Please keep your lack of knowledge about me to yourself I was using AR15s when they were called M16s....

I have never used mercury filled bullets.... Marines don't need them. Not to mention they would be against international law.

1 shot, 1 kill.... no mercury needed...

JFK Assassination.... the fact is the LBJ, Secret Service, CIA, FBI (the faggot Hoover), Nixon (knew in advance), Hunt, etc., etc., etc. within our government were responsible for the "hit". The Oil companies, Rockefellers and such control them, go figure. Anyone who has participated int eh coverup. They have all commited acts of Treason... (go to GOOGLE type in "Treason" "definition" two separate words... this will explain me having to quote references. This country has and still is run by treasonous people... As Americans many of us seem to lack the "balls" to do much about it... except talk.

Just look at who is President... A deserter (yes being AWOL for over 120 days makes you a deserter no matter how it is sugar coated)... he could only manager a "C" average at Yale... even with daddys influence... I am a Republican... the Men in Charge of this country (Skull & Bones for years now) are not Democrates or Republicans... they are political eliteists and have created their own party.... yet any third party on any ballot is quickly discarded by the voters as crackpots.... We are sooooo naive ....

Those wishing to know more can watch "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" episodes 7,8,9 which have been banned by our government, per se... but if you do your homework they can be found... episodes 1-6 are readily availabe from Amazon.com... but the last three tell it all... unfortunately the History Channel sold out... and now they are not available to anyone except us "covert" researchers...

Thanks for any help with early 60s exploding bullets....


Rocklock  [Member]
2/13/2005 5:55:33 AM EST
IF you want explosive bullets I would opt for real ones 7.62x54R yellow tip Russian ( Russian made) not the currently avalible "heavy ball" from hungary or where ever but Russian . They work good I don't know where you can get them now . I always wanted to dissect one but couldnt work up the nerve to pull the bullet kineticly or any other way except shooting them . I used to mess around shooting things like kitchen matches agianst walls w/ BB gun when I was a kid . I think something must have told me "don't go there" . But if I was going to make something , I 'think' i'd start w/ a BB and a #11 perrusion cap and 'poof ' its merits B4 ever putting in any addistional viberant material such as ....never mind . In the Black Powder world it comes up once in a while because of the size of the slugs . AND to my kowledge it's legal (w/ blackpowder guns) with a limit (not sure what is was) but it was plenty for any 'bullet' explosive amount used . cohorn mortars lend themselves nicley but I guess we'er into 'shells' at that point , the issue of double matching aside ! Ive decided that I want to be doing this sillyness when im old w/ fingers , and like almost everyone i know Ive all ready cheated death so many times as a kid I dont know how I got this far . I dont really see what you'd improve on a high vel. varmit type bullet .
fizassist  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 5:57:22 AM EST
Key2America  [Member]
2/13/2005 7:32:15 AM EST
I am not looking for exploding bullets to use today....

I am exploring what someone claimed they used back in 1963.... it's called research.
Rocklock  [Member]
2/13/2005 7:44:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Key2America:
I am not looking for exploding bullets to use today....

I am exploring what someone claimed they used bact in 1963.... it's called research.



Sorry , Never Mind .
MTNmyMag  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 7:47:36 AM EST
actually they were called Ar-15s before they were called M16s and apparently all branches of US service including the marines needed a several thousand rounds of 556 to make 1 kill. Mercury filed bullets are a myth, it just doesnt work. A light weight bullet travelling in excess of 2600 FPS will ame a mess of any sealed fluid filled container that it impacts including a human skull, but then again so will a 150 grn bullet travelling at the same speed. When you get shot in the head with a rifle your head will generally come apart in one fashion or another.
Key2America  [Member]
2/13/2005 9:16:46 AM EST
Thanks.... for those not familiar with the XP-100 is a bolt action pistol... with a 12 stock barrel but came in 16 inch also I believe...can't remember a the moment....

Head shots with FMJ do not necessarily explode.... from my experience.

By the way your are right the AR-15 is the original design renamed M-16 for the Military... I received mine upon entering Vienam... over the M-14 I was trained on.... but I am not aware of Civilians be able to get their hands on AR-15s before the m-16s were released...

But I was already in Vietnam at that time so I don't know for sure.. and that is what I was referring too.

Thanks again....
C-4  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 10:21:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Key2America:
C4, thanks for the info that was pertaining to what I asked... for the rest your just a punk.

For your infomation I am a USMC Viet Nam vet and was there for TET of '68 and don't feel I need to explain my background to some child...pilgrim... I doubt you've every handled C4.... I have...

Please keep your lack of knowledge about me to yourself I was using AR15s when they were called M16s....

I have never used mercury filled bullets.... Marines don't need them. Not to mention they would be against international law.

1 shot, 1 kill.... no mercury needed...

JFK Assassination.... the fact is the LBJ, Secret Service, CIA, FBI (the faggot Hoover), Nixon (knew in advance), Hunt, etc., etc., etc. within our government were responsible for the "hit". The Oil companies, Rockefellers and such control them, go figure. Anyone who has participated int eh coverup. They have all commited acts of Treason... (go to GOOGLE type in "Treason" "definition" two separate words... this will explain me having to quote references. This country has and still is run by treasonous people... As Americans many of us seem to lack the "balls" to do much about it... except talk.

Just look at who is President... A deserter (yes being AWOL for over 120 days makes you a deserter no matter how it is sugar coated)... he could only manager a "C" average at Yale... even with daddys influence... I am a Republican... the Men in Charge of this country (Skull & Bones for years now) are not Democrates or Republicans... they are political eliteists and have created their own party.... yet any third party on any ballot is quickly discarded by the voters as crackpots.... We are sooooo naive ....

Those wishing to know more can watch "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" episodes 7,8,9 which have been banned by our government, per se... but if you do your homework they can be found... episodes 1-6 are readily availabe from Amazon.com... but the last three tell it all... unfortunately the History Channel sold out... and now they are not available to anyone except us "covert" researchers...

Thanks for any help with early 60s exploding bullets....



Key2America,

You're so full of shit it's actually amusing. Why don't you tell us about some of your secret black-ops into Laos, Nicaragua and Afganistan. We need a good laugh.
wjshark  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 10:49:16 AM EST
I don't know if it really works, but the theory is that the fluid mercury sets back in its cavity on the acceleration of the projectile, at impact it violently flows forward as the projectile slows. This is supposed to tear the front of the projectile off and aid in the rapid expansion of the rest of the projectile. There is no explosion, just expansion. This story came before there was widespread use of quality hollow points. The inside of the cavity needs to be coated with laquer to prevent the mercury from interacting with the lead and forming a solid amalgam.
GantorisIV  [Member]
2/13/2005 11:12:00 AM EST
Key2America, didn't I see you at the gunshow the other day?
Key2America  [Member]
2/13/2005 12:17:48 PM EST
C-4, Fuck You... you little piece of shit...

GantorisIV, could be if you were in Las Vegas... I live here and make many of the guns shows... mostly the ones at Cashmen Center...

I'm a moderator on Glock Talk also, but I rarely go there anymore.... these forums take up far too much time to moderate... I moderate other non-weapon forums too... when I can.

If you see me again at the gun show please say hi...

Were you a vendor or a buyer?

Take care

C-4  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 12:34:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By GantorisIV:
Key2America, didn't I see you at the gunshow the other day?



I think that went way over his head.
yellow5  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 12:58:12 PM EST


ETA: seriously, I would like to see the last 3 episodes of that documentary, just because.
Key2America  [Member]
2/13/2005 2:44:56 PM EST
Yellow 5.... they can be found.... if you do some searching on the internet.

But, let me know if you have no success and I'll see what I can do about finding you a copy of those last three...

Keith1  [Member]
2/13/2005 3:14:43 PM EST
Tagged, and please don't ask why.

Keith
PhatForrest  [Member]
2/13/2005 6:22:06 PM EST
Only ten posts from 11/01? Man, that's even worst then me!
twonami  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 6:27:59 PM EST
I experimented with putting a .177 steel BB into the cup of a hollow point and holding it in place with urethane glue, don't know if it did anything
twonami  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 6:30:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By virginia22:
just super glue a regular BB into the hollow point.



Chris


oops, missed it
joker1  [Member]
2/13/2005 7:25:04 PM EST
Cheif Brody (JAWS) liked a drop of cyanide sealed with hot candle wax.
AK_Mike  [Team Member]
2/13/2005 8:26:37 PM EST
Don't know about mercury, but holy water filled bullets do a good job on the nether types.

I used to have a lot of ammo from BLAMMO AMMO. They were exploding rounds but appeared to be nothing more than hollowpoints with primers pressed into them, worked though, against the right targets.

No research help here, just reminescing.
Corbic  [Member]
2/13/2005 9:21:57 PM EST
Wow, this is a riot.

You guys all know the true reason Kennedy was killed was because he knew to much about the secrete alien plot to produce more skim milk right?
Key2America  [Member]
2/14/2005 12:19:19 PM EST
PhatForrest, I made an honest post with a question I wanted some insight on.... and you can see after two pages the responses I've gotten.... with the except of a few... their idiots.

Now it shouldn't be tooooo hard to figure why I haven't posted much on this board....

This same question was posted on Glock Talk... I got much fewer response... but from intelligent people.

I'll keep this board bookmarked but not for serious discussion.... just when I want a laugh or two...

mildbill39  [Member]
2/14/2005 12:37:48 PM EST
Hollow bullets filled with Viagra. It's not more deadly but it keeps them from crawling away.


Regards,
I can't sign this.
Rocklock  [Member]
2/14/2005 2:43:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Key2America:
Can an XP-100 (Normally used with .221 Fireball ammo) using .222 and filled with mercury have a devastating effect on a human head/skull...

This shot was fired in the early 60s.... the shooter is claimed to have made the right front head shot on JFK.... in slow motion I've watched the Zapruder Film and the bullet that hits JFK's right front temple seems to explode and fragment on impact doing extensive damage... I just can see a .222 cartridge doing that...

I owned one of the first XP-100's released in the early 60s.... and ammo like that would have only been available to CIA (and those who made their ammo) in any calibler....

Any further help would be appreciated... just think back to what was available in the early 60s... not the hi tech stuff of today...

Thanks for an feedback....



You throw out your first vauge question and thank people in advance for their help but by the third responce you finaly say what you came hear for sorta and in the third paragraph make you little blurb about .....".....early 60s..."... and agian "Thanks for an feedback" (an ?) Im guessing you meant "any" just didnt mean it in a conventional way I thought , you know truth ? It's surprising the US did as well as we did "in Da Nam" at "Da TET" with "Da You" playing "wit Da C4" and running around shooting Da Fireball chambered for 6.5x52 Car. . They did chamber it for that cartridge and it was all the rage with the CIA , FBI , union bosses , and little known fact Fidel even used them shit even uncle Ho had one too , they all had these as proof they had nothing to do wit it . Unfortunatly you were in Da Nam then so you're the only one in the whole wide world didnt figure all this out then . Damn they nearly got away wit it too but for you . "One shot one kill" youre the kinda poser that gives Jarheads a bad name , did I say poser ? I meant "troll" I'm new to this forum and didnt even know what a troll was till now thats cause im a little slow being a former Marine myself , but like they say , people usually show you who they are , Dolt , rhymes wit Colt they made M-16s that shoot mercerury filled bullets that tumble through the air . Lots of folks spotted you right off , is the you John Wayne ? Nobody here did anything but try to help your sorry ass . ''....the shooter cliamed ...! Ha what a load! later Holywood , oh yea "Semper Fi" Bitch
red_on_black  [Member]
2/17/2005 9:45:00 AM EST




hmmm... what's the formula for yield in megatons of a mercury-filled .222 remington round? oh, yeah--

+

that's it.
FanoftheBlackRifle  [Team Member]
2/17/2005 10:31:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rocklock:

Originally Posted By Key2America:
Can an XP-100 (Normally used with .221 Fireball ammo) using .222 and filled with mercury have a devastating effect on a human head/skull...

This shot was fired in the early 60s.... the shooter is claimed to have made the right front head shot on JFK.... in slow motion I've watched the Zapruder Film and the bullet that hits JFK's right front temple seems to explode and fragment on impact doing extensive damage... I just can see a .222 cartridge doing that...

I owned one of the first XP-100's released in the early 60s.... and ammo like that would have only been available to CIA (and those who made their ammo) in any calibler....

Any further help would be appreciated... just think back to what was available in the early 60s... not the hi tech stuff of today...

Thanks for an feedback....



You throw out your first vauge question and thank people in advance for their help but by the third responce you finaly say what you came hear for sorta and in the third paragraph make you little blurb about .....".....early 60s..."... and agian "Thanks for an feedback" (an ?) Im guessing you meant "any" just didnt mean it in a conventional way I thought , you know truth ? It's surprising the US did as well as we did "in Da Nam" at "Da TET" with "Da You" playing "wit Da C4" and running around shooting Da Fireball chambered for 6.5x52 Car. . They did chamber it for that cartridge and it was all the rage with the CIA , FBI , union bosses , and little known fact Fidel even used them shit even uncle Ho had one too , they all had these as proof they had nothing to do wit it . Unfortunatly you were in Da Nam then so you're the only one in the whole wide world didnt figure all this out then . Damn they nearly got away wit it too but for you . "One shot one kill" youre the kinda poser that gives Jarheads a bad name , did I say poser ? I meant "troll" I'm new to this forum and didnt even know what a troll was till now thats cause im a little slow being a former Marine myself , but like they say , people usually show you who they are , Dolt , rhymes wit Colt they made M-16s that shoot mercerury filled bullets that tumble through the air . Lots of folks spotted you right off , is the you John Wayne ? Nobody here did anything but try to help your sorry ass . ''....the shooter cliamed ...! Ha what a load! later Holywood , oh yea "Semper Fi" Bitch



Ya know, if you'd put some breaks in there so it wasn't one long continuous ramble, I'd say he got p0wn3d
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