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 Browning Automatic Rifle and the BAR M1918A1 machinegun
Aimless  [Site Staff]
11/16/2002 3:29:11 PM
Gun-Tests had a test of the Browning Automatic Rifle and the HK SLB 2000, both in 30-06. At the end of the article there was a short segment about the BAR (I am using that term to refer to the military light machine gun used in WWII). They seemed to imply that the BAR was similar to the civilian hunting rifle, but full automatic.





I never really thought about it, but I always assumed that the hunting rifle just borrowed the BAR name to capitalize on it's popularity with GIs returing home from WWII (or would they hate the name for having had to lug that thing around ) Does anyone know whether these two firearms share any design similarities, or do they just sort of share the same name?

Oh, the Browning seemed to be a bit more accurate and Gun Tests could not find a scope mount for the HK, although there are supposed to be some available aftermarket eventually and I think HK does, or will, sell one but it will cost $ 400! The HK can take 10 round mags v. the BAR pc mags that hold 4 or 5 rounds with a hinged floor plate so you can't (I assume) put a higher capacity mag in the BAR for defensive use. I'll try to remember to more accurately summarize this part later.

Oh and next month is a report on an AR v. a mini-14
ED_P  [Member]
11/16/2002 5:46:50 PM
The BAR actually dates to WWI, which instantly moves it from cool to ultra-cool in my eyes.

As far as the Mini-14 vs. AR debate, it's been done here a million times, but my Ranch-14, with an $85 Bushnell Dusk&Dawn scope, gets 2" groups at 100 yards, resting it on my gun case. If you can get good mags (new PMI's), and have a few spare parts, a Mini is hard to beat, though my AR is much cooler.
shamayim  [Member]
11/17/2002 1:08:38 AM
You're absolutely right in your initial assumption that they used "BAR" to capitalize on the old military recognition. The only thing that's the same about them is that they're both gas operated.

By the way, the actual designation was M1918A2. The A1 was a between the wars update of original M1918's from WW1 that only hung on for a few years, and all of them were updated to the A2 configuration, as were all the M1918s still in service during WW2.
MayorOfCampAtterbury  [Member]
11/21/2002 8:20:45 PM

Originally Posted By shamayim:
You're absolutely right in your initial assumption that they used "BAR" to capitalize on the old military recognition. The only thing that's the same about them is that they're both gas operated.



True, and the modern replacement (we haven't really had one since it was retired), the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon/FN MINIMI, not surprisingly, uses a BAR-type mechanism.
MadProfessor  [Team Member]
11/21/2002 10:17:21 PM
I want either gun, how much does a BAR (not the military one, the newer rifle) go for?